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Is History Repeating Itself?

 Two men argue merits of Council
            Districts
             1986
Debbie Klosowski – Outlook Reporter
• “A proposed charter amendment to allow
  citywide council races will either broaden
  voters’ influence on elected officials or
  decrease accountability, according to two
  speakers at the Gresham Area Chamber of
  Commerce forum Monday.”
Is History Repeating Itself?
McIntire vs. Deyo
• Don McIntire, owner of McIntire’s Athletic
  Club, and Gresham councilor Larry Deyo
  debated the merits of the proposal.
• McIntire, who is in favor of the change, lost a
  council race in 1984. Deyo lost a council race
  in 1980 under the old city wide system but
  won under the revised district system in 1982
McIntire
• Gresham voters replaced the citywide system
  with a district system in 1980. Voters will have a
  chance to return to the old system when they
  vote on the amendment on May 20
• Districting is valid in a large city like Chicago,
  which has a variety of ethnic, cultural, and
  economic interests, McIntire said. But a town the
  size of Gresham doesn’t need districts because it
  is homogenous with “pockets of poverty and
  wealth “spread throughout the area.”
Deyo
• Deyo, though, said districts are necessary to
  represent the different interests in the city.
• Neighborhoods have different priorities, such
  as the need for streets, sewers and parks, he
  said.
• It’s important to have a councilor who will
  speak to the council about those issues.”
McIntire
• McIntire also said the district system permits
  residents to vote for only on one of the six
  people who make the rules that affect lives
  and businesses.
• In addition, the system discourages qualified
  people from running.
• “There’s a possibility that some districts might
  not have anyone that is qualified.”
Deyo
• It’s common to only vote for one person and to
  try to select the best.
• Deyo said. For example, people don’t vote for all
  members of Congress.
• Councilors elected on a citywide basis could be
  less accountable to voters.
• People now call one councilor who must answer
  questions. But a citywide election might result in
  councilors passing off responsibilities
McIntire
• McIntire acknowledged that districts give
  people who are not well known a better
  chance of winning.
• But that is not a reason for sticking with the
  system he added.
• “We should not predicate government on
  what is easiest for citizens.”
McIntire
• Voters do not get a true insight into people
  just because they go door to door.
• Guys that are out working for a living and
  enjoying the work of a small business” don’t
  have time to campaign that way.
• People can judge candidates by their
  involvement in civic affairs and community
  services and the development of enterprise.
McIntire
• The motivation for installing districts in 1980
  also was based on a fear that business would
  dominate the council.
• But there is no one on the current City Council
  “who signs a paycheck.”
• He also noted that “a class of wealthy business
  people that had paid their dues” was
  responsible for creating a country with the
  greatest society of free people in the world.
Deyo
• It isn’t important whether a businessman sits on the
  council.
• What’s important is if the council understands business
  concepts and works with the business community.
• Districts also reduce the cost of campaigning
• A citywide race in 1980 could cost well over $2000
  compared to less than $1,000 for a district race.
• Campaign costs also would increase after Gresham’s
  population reaches an expected 60,000 after annexation is
  done.
• A change in the charter doesn’t guarantee anything.
• “If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it.”
Now for the rest of the story!

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Great Debate in Gresham 1986

  • 1. Is History Repeating Itself? Two men argue merits of Council Districts 1986
  • 2. Debbie Klosowski – Outlook Reporter • “A proposed charter amendment to allow citywide council races will either broaden voters’ influence on elected officials or decrease accountability, according to two speakers at the Gresham Area Chamber of Commerce forum Monday.”
  • 4. McIntire vs. Deyo • Don McIntire, owner of McIntire’s Athletic Club, and Gresham councilor Larry Deyo debated the merits of the proposal. • McIntire, who is in favor of the change, lost a council race in 1984. Deyo lost a council race in 1980 under the old city wide system but won under the revised district system in 1982
  • 5. McIntire • Gresham voters replaced the citywide system with a district system in 1980. Voters will have a chance to return to the old system when they vote on the amendment on May 20 • Districting is valid in a large city like Chicago, which has a variety of ethnic, cultural, and economic interests, McIntire said. But a town the size of Gresham doesn’t need districts because it is homogenous with “pockets of poverty and wealth “spread throughout the area.”
  • 6. Deyo • Deyo, though, said districts are necessary to represent the different interests in the city. • Neighborhoods have different priorities, such as the need for streets, sewers and parks, he said. • It’s important to have a councilor who will speak to the council about those issues.”
  • 7. McIntire • McIntire also said the district system permits residents to vote for only on one of the six people who make the rules that affect lives and businesses. • In addition, the system discourages qualified people from running. • “There’s a possibility that some districts might not have anyone that is qualified.”
  • 8. Deyo • It’s common to only vote for one person and to try to select the best. • Deyo said. For example, people don’t vote for all members of Congress. • Councilors elected on a citywide basis could be less accountable to voters. • People now call one councilor who must answer questions. But a citywide election might result in councilors passing off responsibilities
  • 9. McIntire • McIntire acknowledged that districts give people who are not well known a better chance of winning. • But that is not a reason for sticking with the system he added. • “We should not predicate government on what is easiest for citizens.”
  • 10. McIntire • Voters do not get a true insight into people just because they go door to door. • Guys that are out working for a living and enjoying the work of a small business” don’t have time to campaign that way. • People can judge candidates by their involvement in civic affairs and community services and the development of enterprise.
  • 11. McIntire • The motivation for installing districts in 1980 also was based on a fear that business would dominate the council. • But there is no one on the current City Council “who signs a paycheck.” • He also noted that “a class of wealthy business people that had paid their dues” was responsible for creating a country with the greatest society of free people in the world.
  • 12. Deyo • It isn’t important whether a businessman sits on the council. • What’s important is if the council understands business concepts and works with the business community. • Districts also reduce the cost of campaigning • A citywide race in 1980 could cost well over $2000 compared to less than $1,000 for a district race. • Campaign costs also would increase after Gresham’s population reaches an expected 60,000 after annexation is done. • A change in the charter doesn’t guarantee anything. • “If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it.”
  • 13. Now for the rest of the story!