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SESSION:
The CMO & CTO Dance
(seriously, who owns the customer?)
Thomas Parkinson, Founder & CTO
Carrie Bienkowski, CMO
Peapod
July 23, 2019
2
Why hello, we’re Peapod…
We’ve had a lot of firsts since 1989
First retailer to include images
and nutrition information
First retailer to offer
digital coupons
First to offer grocery shopping
on a mobile device
First grocery app in the
iTunes store
First to deliver over 50 million
grocery orders
Question:
So who really owns the
customer?
The CMO & CTO dance
4
Answer:
It’s the wrong
f*#&ing
question
5
A (much) better
question…
How do we partner to
create products,
services and
experiences that
delight our customers
and create Big Love?
6
Let’s play a game…
• True partnerships require trust
• Empathy and mutual understanding
are critical for building trust
• How well do we know one another?
7
I would say I’m an (intro-/extrovert); others would say I’m a…
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
8
I would say I’m an (intro-/extrovert); others would say I’m a…
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
introvert ; extrovert extrovert ; extrovert
9
I would say I’m an (intro-/extrovert); others would say I’m a…
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
introvert ; extrovert
extrovert ; extrovert
extrovert ; extrovert
introvert ; extrovert
10
The top 3 KPIs for my function are:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
11
The top 3 KPIs for my function are:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
1. Website customer
satisfaction (NPS)
2. Uptime of the website
3. Response time of website
1. Cost to output ratio
2. Uptime / downtime rates
3. Conversion
12
The top 3 KPIs for my function are:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
1. Website customer
satisfaction (NPS)
2. Uptime of the website
3. Response time of website
1. Cost to output ratio
2. Uptime / downtime rates
3. Conversion
1. New customer conversion
2. Order frequency
3. Average order size
1. Revenue growth
2. Qualified traffic
3. Conversion
13
One misperception that people have about my role is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
14
One misperception that people have about my role is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
That I make all
the product decisions.
It's actually my team that
makes the decisions
All developers are a#*holes
who don’t care what other
people think and want to live
in a silo
15
One misperception that people have about my role is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
That I make all
the product decisions.
It's actually my team that
makes the decisions
All developers are a#*holes
who don’t care what other
people think and want to live
in a silo
Thomas is a dictator
We’re all creative types who
love spending money and
don’t care about ROI
16
The greatest obstacle to achieving success in my role is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
17
The greatest obstacle to achieving success in my role is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
Having the IT resources
to deliver the enhancements
to meet the needs of the
customers and the business
Dealing with too many
competing priorities, too few
dev hours. Recruiting and
retaining talent.
18
The greatest obstacle to achieving success in my role is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
Having the IT resources
to deliver the enhancements
to meet the needs of the
customers and the business
Dealing with too many
competing priorities, too few
dev hours. Recruiting and
retaining talent.
Frustration with getting
the enhancements
that will increase sales
Balancing the brilliant basics
(brand strategy, audience,
message, etc.) against the
anarchy of data and marketing
technology
19
If I had to step into her/his role, I would need their advice on:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
20
If I had to step into her/his role, I would need their advice on:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
How to most
efficiently spend the
marketing budget
Pretty much everything
21
If I had to step into her/his role, I would need their advice on:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
How to most
efficiently spend the
marketing budget
Pretty much everything
How to manage
upper management
Pretty much everything
22
If I were to offer advice to him/her, it would be:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
23
If I were to offer advice to him/her, it would be:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
Suck up to the head of IT Demand more money
24
If I were to offer advice to him/her, it would be:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
Suck up to the head of IT
How to interact
with IT jerks
Demand more money
Expect co-creation on behalf
of the customer; encourage
collaboration early and often
25
In my job, the thing that I am best at is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
26
In my job, the thing that I am best at is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
Caring about
the customer experience
Speaking truth to power
and getting things done
27
In my job, the thing that I am best at is:
“That’s what he said” “That’s what she said”
Caring about
the customer experience
Caring about
the customer experience
Speaking truth to power
and getting things done
Customer advocacy: bringing
the voice of the customer and
insights to everything we do
28
What Now?
• Swap and review Development Plans (hint: look for shared metrics &
goals) - be intentional about common build projects
• CMO’s: leverage your CTO partner when you are making MarTech
investment decisions
• CTO’s: understand and internalize the Brand Story; ensure UX/UI is
amplifying, not undermining it
• Commit to planning & executing joint customer insight work
• Play together, stay together (maybe even sit together)
29
30
Just one last thing…

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Mapping the keys to Peapod’s success. The CMO and CTO dance - who owns the customer?

  • 1. SESSION: The CMO & CTO Dance (seriously, who owns the customer?) Thomas Parkinson, Founder & CTO Carrie Bienkowski, CMO Peapod July 23, 2019
  • 3. We’ve had a lot of firsts since 1989 First retailer to include images and nutrition information First retailer to offer digital coupons First to offer grocery shopping on a mobile device First grocery app in the iTunes store First to deliver over 50 million grocery orders
  • 4. Question: So who really owns the customer? The CMO & CTO dance 4
  • 6. A (much) better question… How do we partner to create products, services and experiences that delight our customers and create Big Love? 6
  • 7. Let’s play a game… • True partnerships require trust • Empathy and mutual understanding are critical for building trust • How well do we know one another? 7
  • 8. I would say I’m an (intro-/extrovert); others would say I’m a… “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 8
  • 9. I would say I’m an (intro-/extrovert); others would say I’m a… “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” introvert ; extrovert extrovert ; extrovert 9
  • 10. I would say I’m an (intro-/extrovert); others would say I’m a… “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” introvert ; extrovert extrovert ; extrovert extrovert ; extrovert introvert ; extrovert 10
  • 11. The top 3 KPIs for my function are: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 11
  • 12. The top 3 KPIs for my function are: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 1. Website customer satisfaction (NPS) 2. Uptime of the website 3. Response time of website 1. Cost to output ratio 2. Uptime / downtime rates 3. Conversion 12
  • 13. The top 3 KPIs for my function are: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 1. Website customer satisfaction (NPS) 2. Uptime of the website 3. Response time of website 1. Cost to output ratio 2. Uptime / downtime rates 3. Conversion 1. New customer conversion 2. Order frequency 3. Average order size 1. Revenue growth 2. Qualified traffic 3. Conversion 13
  • 14. One misperception that people have about my role is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 14
  • 15. One misperception that people have about my role is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” That I make all the product decisions. It's actually my team that makes the decisions All developers are a#*holes who don’t care what other people think and want to live in a silo 15
  • 16. One misperception that people have about my role is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” That I make all the product decisions. It's actually my team that makes the decisions All developers are a#*holes who don’t care what other people think and want to live in a silo Thomas is a dictator We’re all creative types who love spending money and don’t care about ROI 16
  • 17. The greatest obstacle to achieving success in my role is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 17
  • 18. The greatest obstacle to achieving success in my role is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” Having the IT resources to deliver the enhancements to meet the needs of the customers and the business Dealing with too many competing priorities, too few dev hours. Recruiting and retaining talent. 18
  • 19. The greatest obstacle to achieving success in my role is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” Having the IT resources to deliver the enhancements to meet the needs of the customers and the business Dealing with too many competing priorities, too few dev hours. Recruiting and retaining talent. Frustration with getting the enhancements that will increase sales Balancing the brilliant basics (brand strategy, audience, message, etc.) against the anarchy of data and marketing technology 19
  • 20. If I had to step into her/his role, I would need their advice on: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 20
  • 21. If I had to step into her/his role, I would need their advice on: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” How to most efficiently spend the marketing budget Pretty much everything 21
  • 22. If I had to step into her/his role, I would need their advice on: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” How to most efficiently spend the marketing budget Pretty much everything How to manage upper management Pretty much everything 22
  • 23. If I were to offer advice to him/her, it would be: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 23
  • 24. If I were to offer advice to him/her, it would be: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” Suck up to the head of IT Demand more money 24
  • 25. If I were to offer advice to him/her, it would be: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” Suck up to the head of IT How to interact with IT jerks Demand more money Expect co-creation on behalf of the customer; encourage collaboration early and often 25
  • 26. In my job, the thing that I am best at is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” 26
  • 27. In my job, the thing that I am best at is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” Caring about the customer experience Speaking truth to power and getting things done 27
  • 28. In my job, the thing that I am best at is: “That’s what he said” “That’s what she said” Caring about the customer experience Caring about the customer experience Speaking truth to power and getting things done Customer advocacy: bringing the voice of the customer and insights to everything we do 28
  • 29. What Now? • Swap and review Development Plans (hint: look for shared metrics & goals) - be intentional about common build projects • CMO’s: leverage your CTO partner when you are making MarTech investment decisions • CTO’s: understand and internalize the Brand Story; ensure UX/UI is amplifying, not undermining it • Commit to planning & executing joint customer insight work • Play together, stay together (maybe even sit together) 29
  • 30. 30 Just one last thing…