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Getting from $400k to $4m – 
the four biggest operational 
challenges 
Gordon Tan – CEO of Client Heartbeat 
Gordon@clientheartbeat.com
Our MSP today 
• 31 FTE 
• $4.1m turnover in FY2014 
• $150k/mth worth of Managed Services
The beginning - $400k, 3 FTE
Obstacle #1 – Hiring & retaining 
the right people…
Why it’s a problem… 
• You need sales 
• You can’t do everything! 
• Can’t afford to pay people 
• If you train them up they leave
What we did… 
• I went into sales (hired a tech manager) 
• Sold the “dream” 
• Paid peanuts 
• Read about people management 
Sales Services Technical 
BDM (me) Service Co-ordinator Technical Manager
What we did… 
1. Set a vision 
2. Be honest 
3. Be authentic 
4. Be fair 
5. Get to know them as people 
6. Let them be heard
1. Create a vision 
• Because noone wants to work for your sh** little company 
• Start with WHY – sell them on your vision 
• Create values (it’s not a waste of time)
2. Recruitment… 
• Hire & Train if you can 
• Don’t settle for less 
• If he wants $50k, give him $50k 
• You need people you can rely on
Hiring & Retaining People 
Final Tips: 
• Getting your first few hires right is absolutely essential 
• Hire slow, fire fast 
• Don’t underestimate the power of your vision and values
$1.2m, 6 FTE
Obstacle #2 – Being too busy…
The Problems… 
• Too busy to do anything strategic 
• Not doing the things you promise 
• Bad response times to clients 
• BAD customer churn
What we did… 
• Sales 
• Did nothing for too long! 
• Lost a couple bad clients 
• Eventually increased our prices 
• Implemented Service Desk bonuses 
• Moved “up the food chain”
1. Increase your Prices 
• Just do it! You won’t come out behind I promise 
• Do less work for more money 
• Increase price = more resources = better service = more clients = 
increase price
2. Incentives for Staff 
• Incentivise the result you want 
• Service Desk bonus worked really well for us
3. Used GFI 
• Kaseya, N-Able were too time intensive for us 
• GFI “just worked”
$2.3m, 16 FTE
Obstacle #3 – Retaining Clients
The Problems… 
• Didn’t know why we were always losing clients 
• Not enough “customer intimacy” 
• Hard to know where all your clients are at
What we did… 
• Sales 
• Hired Service Co-ordinator 
• Developed Client Heartbeat 
• Implemented Incident & Problem Management 
• Restructured Team 
TAM TAM TAM 
Service Desk
1. How do you retain customers?
New research on the human brain
Why this research matters to MSPs 
• It’s not enough to appeal to LOGIC 
• We must appeal to the limbic (emotional) brain - It’s about creating a 
feeling (freedom, reducing stress, feeling cared for)
2. Monitor Client Satisfaction 
• Send out a quarterly survey 
• Identify “At risk” clients 
• Do something about it!
$3.1m, 25 FTE
Obstacle #4 – Systemising the 
Business
The Problems… 
• More people = more problems! 
• Reliability of service 
• You need more managers/team leaders 
• Systems are low priority
What we did… 
• Sales 
• Starting measuring more stuff 
• Efficiency – effective hourly rate 
• Service Desk - average time per ticket, average response time % 
• Started documenting more procedures 
• Get team involved via mini-games
1. Pick the metrics that matter 
• What are your smart numbers? 
• What is your one critical number? 
• Can you measure these in real-time? 
• Are your staff kept updated?
2. Focus on building a “production line” 
• Build your own production line 
Your MSP 
Helpdesk 
Projects Production Lines 
Audits 
Consistent, reliable outcome 
Gross Margin$
Some caveats 
• Good people can prop up poor procedures 
• Nothing beats good culture first and foremost 
• Procedures are so you can scale
In summary 
• It’s harder at 3-5 staff, than it is at 25 staff 
• Be prepared to learn from mistakes 
• Change comes incrementally 
• If we can do it, you can too
Client Satisfaction Monitoring on Auto-pilot. 
1. Gather client feedback 
2. Improve client satisfaction 
3. Retain more clients 
4. Collect & Share Testimonials 
• Used by over 300 MSPs big & small 
• Integrates with CW & Autotask
Gather Client Feedback 
Simple, personalized email 
surveys – with automated 
email follow-ups 
Industry high survey 
response rates (60%) 
Runs on autopilot 
Passes all feedback into a 
simple dashboard
Improve Client Satisfaction 
Track and monitor 
changes in satisfaction 
on an individual client 
level and on an overall 
company level 
Benchmark satisfaction 
against other companies 
in your industry
Retain more clients 
Client Heartbeat uses 
past scores and industry 
data to identify unhappy 
customers 
Get instant notifications 
so you can proactively 
follow up, address 
concerns and retain 
their business
Collect and share testimonials 
If we detect positive 
feedback we’ll ask for 
testimonials and collect 
them automatically 
The client can also 
share these to their 
social media
Here’s what your peers say about CHB… 
• Within a week of using Client Heartbeat I was comfortable 
recommending it to 10 of my peers. – Myles Keough (Spadetech) 
• Very valuable solution!!!!!! Every company can benefit from using 
Client Heartbeat - it is a key metric for any executive to follow. – 
Janice Siddons (TUC Managed Solutions) 
• Client Heartbeat is a straightforward simple tool we can use to track 
how we are going in our business, without having to wait for 
customers to tells us we are doing something wrong! – Wayne Moore 
(Divest IT)
Thank you – Questions?

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Getting from $400k to $4m - the Four Biggest Operational Challenges - Gordan Tan

  • 1. Getting from $400k to $4m – the four biggest operational challenges Gordon Tan – CEO of Client Heartbeat Gordon@clientheartbeat.com
  • 2. Our MSP today • 31 FTE • $4.1m turnover in FY2014 • $150k/mth worth of Managed Services
  • 3. The beginning - $400k, 3 FTE
  • 4. Obstacle #1 – Hiring & retaining the right people…
  • 5. Why it’s a problem… • You need sales • You can’t do everything! • Can’t afford to pay people • If you train them up they leave
  • 6. What we did… • I went into sales (hired a tech manager) • Sold the “dream” • Paid peanuts • Read about people management Sales Services Technical BDM (me) Service Co-ordinator Technical Manager
  • 7. What we did… 1. Set a vision 2. Be honest 3. Be authentic 4. Be fair 5. Get to know them as people 6. Let them be heard
  • 8. 1. Create a vision • Because noone wants to work for your sh** little company • Start with WHY – sell them on your vision • Create values (it’s not a waste of time)
  • 9. 2. Recruitment… • Hire & Train if you can • Don’t settle for less • If he wants $50k, give him $50k • You need people you can rely on
  • 10. Hiring & Retaining People Final Tips: • Getting your first few hires right is absolutely essential • Hire slow, fire fast • Don’t underestimate the power of your vision and values
  • 12. Obstacle #2 – Being too busy…
  • 13. The Problems… • Too busy to do anything strategic • Not doing the things you promise • Bad response times to clients • BAD customer churn
  • 14. What we did… • Sales • Did nothing for too long! • Lost a couple bad clients • Eventually increased our prices • Implemented Service Desk bonuses • Moved “up the food chain”
  • 15. 1. Increase your Prices • Just do it! You won’t come out behind I promise • Do less work for more money • Increase price = more resources = better service = more clients = increase price
  • 16. 2. Incentives for Staff • Incentivise the result you want • Service Desk bonus worked really well for us
  • 17. 3. Used GFI • Kaseya, N-Able were too time intensive for us • GFI “just worked”
  • 19. Obstacle #3 – Retaining Clients
  • 20. The Problems… • Didn’t know why we were always losing clients • Not enough “customer intimacy” • Hard to know where all your clients are at
  • 21. What we did… • Sales • Hired Service Co-ordinator • Developed Client Heartbeat • Implemented Incident & Problem Management • Restructured Team TAM TAM TAM Service Desk
  • 22. 1. How do you retain customers?
  • 23. New research on the human brain
  • 24.
  • 25. Why this research matters to MSPs • It’s not enough to appeal to LOGIC • We must appeal to the limbic (emotional) brain - It’s about creating a feeling (freedom, reducing stress, feeling cared for)
  • 26. 2. Monitor Client Satisfaction • Send out a quarterly survey • Identify “At risk” clients • Do something about it!
  • 28. Obstacle #4 – Systemising the Business
  • 29. The Problems… • More people = more problems! • Reliability of service • You need more managers/team leaders • Systems are low priority
  • 30. What we did… • Sales • Starting measuring more stuff • Efficiency – effective hourly rate • Service Desk - average time per ticket, average response time % • Started documenting more procedures • Get team involved via mini-games
  • 31. 1. Pick the metrics that matter • What are your smart numbers? • What is your one critical number? • Can you measure these in real-time? • Are your staff kept updated?
  • 32. 2. Focus on building a “production line” • Build your own production line Your MSP Helpdesk Projects Production Lines Audits Consistent, reliable outcome Gross Margin$
  • 33. Some caveats • Good people can prop up poor procedures • Nothing beats good culture first and foremost • Procedures are so you can scale
  • 34. In summary • It’s harder at 3-5 staff, than it is at 25 staff • Be prepared to learn from mistakes • Change comes incrementally • If we can do it, you can too
  • 35. Client Satisfaction Monitoring on Auto-pilot. 1. Gather client feedback 2. Improve client satisfaction 3. Retain more clients 4. Collect & Share Testimonials • Used by over 300 MSPs big & small • Integrates with CW & Autotask
  • 36. Gather Client Feedback Simple, personalized email surveys – with automated email follow-ups Industry high survey response rates (60%) Runs on autopilot Passes all feedback into a simple dashboard
  • 37. Improve Client Satisfaction Track and monitor changes in satisfaction on an individual client level and on an overall company level Benchmark satisfaction against other companies in your industry
  • 38. Retain more clients Client Heartbeat uses past scores and industry data to identify unhappy customers Get instant notifications so you can proactively follow up, address concerns and retain their business
  • 39. Collect and share testimonials If we detect positive feedback we’ll ask for testimonials and collect them automatically The client can also share these to their social media
  • 40. Here’s what your peers say about CHB… • Within a week of using Client Heartbeat I was comfortable recommending it to 10 of my peers. – Myles Keough (Spadetech) • Very valuable solution!!!!!! Every company can benefit from using Client Heartbeat - it is a key metric for any executive to follow. – Janice Siddons (TUC Managed Solutions) • Client Heartbeat is a straightforward simple tool we can use to track how we are going in our business, without having to wait for customers to tells us we are doing something wrong! – Wayne Moore (Divest IT)
  • 41. Thank you – Questions?