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Gemara Notes p. 24 דף נו עמוד ב
According to the Torah, a person acquires moveable property by pulling it.  This is called  משיכה .  Once he has pulled it, it belongs to him with regard to all aspects of ownership
If the robbers took the animal out,  they are  חייב   for any damage it does If the robbers pulled it out, and into their possession, isn’t it obvious that they are  חייב   for the damage? פשיטא The Mishna is needed in a case where the robbers did not pull it, but steered it toward grain by blocking its path in all other directions Rashba: This is  אדם   damage Tosfos: This is  שן   damage It turns out that our Mishna is teaching the same thing that  רב מתנה   taught in the name of  רב … If he pulled it there, isn’t it obvious that he is  חייב ? This needs to be taught in a case where he guided the animal there by blocking its path in all other directions One who stands his friend’s animal at his friends grain is  חייב   for the damage it does there
אביי   said to  רב יוסף :  You taught us the ruling of  רב מתנה   differently! His case is talking about when…  he hit the animal with a stick He is teaching us that…  hitting with a stick is the same thing as doing  משיכה   (pulling). He “acquires” the animal, and is responsible for the damage as if he were the owner The Robbers in the Mishna must also be talking about when…  the Robbers hit the animals with a stick According the way  רבה   taught   רב מתנה … The robbers did not “acquire” the animals. They are responsible for the damage anyway because they blocked it’s path, leading it to do damage According the way  רב יוסף   taught   רב מתנה … The robbers hit the animal and became the “owners” with regard to any damage it causes. Just as the owner is  חייב   when it eats someone else’s property, so are the robbers It turns out there are two ways to explain why the Robbers in our Mishna are  חייב …
Gemara Notes p. 25 -26 דף נו עמוד ב

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Gemara Notes P. 25 26

  • 1. Gemara Notes p. 24 דף נו עמוד ב
  • 2. According to the Torah, a person acquires moveable property by pulling it. This is called משיכה . Once he has pulled it, it belongs to him with regard to all aspects of ownership
  • 3. If the robbers took the animal out, they are חייב for any damage it does If the robbers pulled it out, and into their possession, isn’t it obvious that they are חייב for the damage? פשיטא The Mishna is needed in a case where the robbers did not pull it, but steered it toward grain by blocking its path in all other directions Rashba: This is אדם damage Tosfos: This is שן damage It turns out that our Mishna is teaching the same thing that רב מתנה taught in the name of רב … If he pulled it there, isn’t it obvious that he is חייב ? This needs to be taught in a case where he guided the animal there by blocking its path in all other directions One who stands his friend’s animal at his friends grain is חייב for the damage it does there
  • 4. אביי said to רב יוסף : You taught us the ruling of רב מתנה differently! His case is talking about when… he hit the animal with a stick He is teaching us that… hitting with a stick is the same thing as doing משיכה (pulling). He “acquires” the animal, and is responsible for the damage as if he were the owner The Robbers in the Mishna must also be talking about when… the Robbers hit the animals with a stick According the way רבה taught רב מתנה … The robbers did not “acquire” the animals. They are responsible for the damage anyway because they blocked it’s path, leading it to do damage According the way רב יוסף taught רב מתנה … The robbers hit the animal and became the “owners” with regard to any damage it causes. Just as the owner is חייב when it eats someone else’s property, so are the robbers It turns out there are two ways to explain why the Robbers in our Mishna are חייב …
  • 5. Gemara Notes p. 25 -26 דף נו עמוד ב