A presentation of the results of a research study by Brighton & Sussex Medical School on the use of podcasts to help medical students learn clinical reasoning
ClinicalCasesPod: Do medical students tune in to a case-based podcast series to help them learn clinical reasoning?
1. R Phillips, E Davies, K Marchon
With M Okorie, S Akrimi, J Montgomery
Tim Vincent
t.r.vincent@bsms.ac.uk, @tim_vincent
Do medical students tune in to a
case-based podcast series to help
them learn clinical reasoning?
2. Clinical reasoning is a key professional skill…
Let’s go
straight to CT…Why? I thought it
was x-ray first…
I have no
idea what
this is!
...but exposing the ‘black box’ to novices is a challenge
3. Understand students’ use of podcasts
generally
Analyse their understanding of clinical
reasoning and how it is taught/learned
Assess whether a case-based podcasts
useful for learning clinical reasoning
(Exploring whether the use of podcasts
might support the transition from Final
Year student to foundation doctor)
6. Understanding use of podcasts generally
Variation in the use of podcasts; most for
entertainment, some for medical studiesSeveral times /wk
About once /wk
< once per month
Not at all
How often you listen to any podcasts?
All
Some
None
How many support your medical studies?
Podcasts for formal study need
more focus than general podcasts
How you listen to podcasts depends
on what you are aiming to gain, e.g.
pleasure vs. formal learning
7. Understanding of what clinical reasoning is
seems to be clear… …less confident on when/if it is ‘taught’
Analysis of understanding of clinical reasoning
Understand its relevance and
importance, especially for clinical
practice as opposed to for exams
The decision making
process in medicine
Justifying the decisions
you have made
Infrequently taught CR formally as
a distinct entity…minimal direct
teaching of CR
Variable…dependent
on teacher and time
Only start to apply it when
get to see own patients
Learn by observation, clinicians
explaining reasoning, assessments
such as CBDs
8. What was their experience of this podcast series?
14
2
Helpful
Not helpful
Three-part structure?
12
7
1
0
At home
Travelling
Between lectures
On placement
Where did you listen?
12
4
0
About right
Too long
Too short
15 min length of episode?
8
8
0
0
Always
Mostly
Occasionally
Not clear at all
How clear was clinical reasoning?
Easily accessible and
technologically sound
Accredited by the School
Could sound a bit ‘scripted’
10. Students felt that this format was most helpful during
clinical placement over revision for exams
11. How helpful are podcasts for learning
clinical reasoning?
Well received in general – most
participants would use podcasts in the
future
They provide a different learning modality
A strong call for more cases…
Result suggest a valuable role for podcast format for
clinical reasoning learning in certain contexts/modes
When CR podcasts are most effective
Most suitable in Year 3 then
higher years…useful at the start
of clinical rotations
Not so useful for exam
preparation or revision…they are
a learning supplement rather
than a revision tool
‘Podcasts were very useful for
learning clinical reasoning’
Useful in the transition period
between Finals and starting F1
but not during F1
12. How could we improve the ClinicalCasesPod?
Possibly a bit
‘leaner’ (shorten
breaks)
Some requests for
visual resource
alongside e.g.
transcript
But overwhelming
suggestion was for
more cases!
13. R Phillips, E Davies, K Marchon
With M Okorie, S Akrimi, J Montgomery
Tim Vincent
t.r.vincent@bsms.ac.uk, @tim_vincent
Thank you
14. References
Kassirer JP. Teaching clinical reasoning: case-based and coached. Acad Med. 2010 Jul:
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Schmidt HG, Mamede S. How to improve the teaching of clinical reasoning: a narrative
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Eva KW. What every teacher needs to know about clinical reasoning. Med Educ. 2005 Jan;
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Cho D, Cosimini M, Espinoza J. Podcasting in medical education: a review of the
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Clinical reasoning is a key medical skill. Clinical reasoning is what “clinicians use to generate, test and verify diagnoses, assess the benefits and risks of tests and treatments”1
Exposing this clinical reasoning to trainees is a key part of learning but is challenging to achieve2,3
If students could hear examples of clinical reasoning in practice but explained, that might be helpful
Podcasts are becoming a widely accepted method of supporting learning4
Their role in facilitating the learning of clinical reasoning specifically is yet to be established
Understand their use of podcasts generally and for medical studies
Analyse medical students’ understanding of clinical reasoning
Assess whether the experience of listening to case-based podcasts highlighting clinical decision making is useful for learning
Exploring whether the use of podcasts might support the transition from Final Year student to foundation doctor
Three podcast episodes (15 mins each) were released to medical students in Years 3-5 (n=450) during clinical rotations December 29108 – March 2019)
Each one was based on a fictional hospital patient scenario being discussed between trainee and medical student, with the emphasis on why clinical decisions were made
Students were invited to complete an online questionnaire and attend a semi-structured interview
Thematic analysis of transcripts was undertaken
You can listen to the podcasts that are still available
Use of podcasts generally
19/450 survey responses
Majority Yr 3 & 5
Varied amongst participants
Of those who listened to podcasts regularly, use of medical podcasts also varied
Used general whilst completing other tasks; commonly commuting or doing chores
In order to get the most out of medical podcasts, including ours, needed more focus than general podcasts
How you listen to podcasts depends on what you are aiming to gain, e.g. pleasure vs. learning
Found using podcast apps on phone, and through apps like spotify
It was “quite clear” that the podcasts were trying to teach clinical reasoning
“We will have to do it [clinical reasoning] in practice so it’s useful to start doing it now”
“Better targeted to third years”
“less useful for knowledge-based exams”
“useful in context of transitioning to FY1”
“very easy to use”
“challenging and got you thinking but weren’t too much”
“similar situation to what we might get on the wards”
“[The podcasts] helped me think about cases in a different way”
Good/bad qualities of our podcasts; improvements
Easily accessible and technologically sound
Accredited by BSMS
Appropriate length; usefully divided into sections
Justified decisions clearly
Good explanation of terminology and detail
Could appear slightly scripted
This chart shows were they found it most useful. If you do a power calculation: clinical placement > preparation for Foundation > revision for exams
When to employ clinical reasoning podcasts
Good level for a third year; useful from third year onwards; useful supplemental revision tool for final year
Most suited to third years, but still useful for 4 & 5
Useful at the start of and during rotations as an insight to the types of things you might see/how to present on that rotation
Not so useful for exam preparation or revision; would continue to use podcasts as a supplement rather than revision
Good when you don’t want to have to read or need to multi-task
Useful In context of F1 transition – in the period between finals and starting F1 but not during F1
Are podcasts acceptable for learning, and specifically clinical reasoning
Different kind of learning
Useful adjunct to supplement learning
Would use podcasts in the future; Podcasts are a good idea in general
‘Podcasts very useful for learning clinical reasoning’
Useful as when listening to them know that you are focussing on clinical reasoning
Would listen to more presentations and different presenting complaints
Podcasts for wide variety of specialties particularly which aren’t taught well
It was “quite clear” that the podcasts were trying to teach clinical reasoning
“We will have to do it [clinical reasoning] in practice so it’s useful to start doing it now”
“Better targeted to third years”
“less useful for knowledge-based exams”
“useful in context of transitioning to FY1”
“very easy to use”
“challenging and got you thinking but weren’t too much”
“similar situation to what we might get on the wards”
“[The podcasts] helped me think about cases in a different way”
Whilst use of podcasts in general was varied, students were supportive of podcasts as a learning resource
Most students had an understanding of clinical reasoning as a concept but felt they had not been taught it explicitly; this may contrast with what course leads might perceive
These podcasts were clear in highlighting clinical reasoning and were better targeted to third years
The students identified these clinical reasoning podcasts were a useful adjunct to learning during the course and less so in a context of revision for written exams
The clinical reasoning podcasts were well received and there were requests for more to be developed on different presentations