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Open Dialogue and Need-Adapted
Approaches in the US
Sandra Steingard, M.D.
Thank You
Mental Health Commission
of New South Wales
International Initiative for Mental Health
Leadership (IIMHL)
2
Howard Center, Burlington, Vermont
Vermont population ~ 650,000
Chittenden County ~ 120,000
Burlington ~ 40,000
Howard Center employs ~ 1300
Operating budget ~ $90,000,000/year
We serve thousands
Children & adults; developmental disabilities,
substance abuse, crisis services, residential
Community Support Program ~ 650
Developed to serve individuals who, in another era,
would have lived in a state hospital
Most diagnosed with psychotic disorders
Brief Personal Introduction
• Early science education: chemistry major
• Studied psychoanalysis during medical school
and residency training
• Fascination with psychosis: return to “biological
psychiatry”
• Disgust with “Pharma” and medicine
• Long-term critical view of psychiatric diagnosis
• Recent evidence of long-term harms of drugs
• Stumbling upon need-adapted approaches
Open Dialogue:
Why Do We Care?
Outcome Data
*Svedberg B et al., Social Psychiatry 36: 332-337, 2001
**Seikkula J and Arnkil TE, Dialogical Meetings in Social Networks, 2006
OD**(combined 1992-
1997 data)
Stockholm*
Schizophrenia
59% 54%
Other
41% 46%
Age Female 26.5
Male 27.5
Female 30
Male 29
Neuroleptic used
29% 93%
Neuroleptic at follow-up
17% 75%
GAF at follow-up
66 55
On disability
19% 62%
No. of subjects 72 71
Need-adapted Approaches
• Developed in Finland during
deinstitutionalization in 1980s
• “Need-adapted” came from notion that there
were multiple competing theories of etiology
of schizophrenia and multiple competing
approaches to it
• Unclear which approach most applicable to
each person
Need-adapted Approaches
• Clinical team decided to meet with the
person and his family to discuss this dilemma
• Approached person not with goal of applying
a set theoretical framework but with an
openness to using all models as needed
• Social context was considered important
• Observed that, for many patients, this led to
resolution of the problem
Open Dialogue: History
In late 1980s, Finland organized a study of
NAT in 6 regions
• In 3 regions, drugs not given for first 6 weeks
• Tornio team did a 5-year outcome study of
their work
• They continued to practice in this way
• They did two further replications with similar
results
What Is Open Dialogue?
• Organization of a mental health care system
• A particular form of psychotherapy: dialogic
practice
• One can offer dialogic practice independent
of the system of care but that should not be
considered OD
OD: Seven Principles
• Systemic
• Immediate help
• Network orientation
• Flexibility and mobility
• Responsibility
• Continuity
• Dialogic Practice
• Tolerance of uncertainty
• Dialogic process
OD: 12 Key Elements of Fidelity
Olson M, Seikkula J, Ziedonis D, 2014
http://umassmed.edu/psychiatry/globalinitiatives/opendialogue/
Funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care
• Two or more therapists
• Participation of family or social Nnetwork
• Open-Ended Questions
• What is the history of the meeting?
• How would you like to use this meeting?
• Responding to person's utterances
• Use client's words
OD: 12 Key Elements of Fidelity
Olson M, Seikkula J, Ziedonis D, 2014
Funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care
• Emphasizing the present moment
• Eliciting multiple viewpoints
• Polyphony
• Inner and outer voices
• Engaging absent members
• Creating a relational focus in the dialogue
• Circular questions: Who else agrees? Who wanted to
come? Who didn't?
• Responding to problem or discourse as
meaningful
OD: 12 Key Elements of Fidelity
Olson M, Seikkula J, Ziedonis D, 2014
Funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care
• Emphasizing client's own words and stories
rather than symptoms.
• Reflection among professionals in the meeting
• Professionals in room will talk among themselves
• Family can reflect on that
• Transparency
• Toleration of uncertainty
– Professionals do not have answers but provide safety
and make contact with each person in the room
Medical Model vs. Need-adapted
Medical Model
•Focus on individual
•Focus on psychopathology
•Family involved as needed
•Offers treatments based on
diagnosis
•Tend to be more fixed
•Treatments seen in a more
technological way,
independent of the
relationship
Need-adapted
•Focus on social network from
outset
•Hold diagnosis lightly
•Hold uncertainty
•“Treatment” proceeds from
individual /network needs:
•Flexible
•Psychological continuity
•Psychotherapeutic attitude
Recovery Principles
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Service Administration (SAMHSA)
• Hope: expect recovery
• Person-driven: respect a person’s values
and wishes
• For some people, reduction of symptoms may not
be paramount.
• Many pathways: non-linear
• One (or two or three) relapse does not mean one
is chronically ill.
• Holistic: encompasses all aspects of a
person’s life
Recovery Principles: SAMHSA
• Peer Support
• Relational: value of social networks
• Culture: sensitivity to cultural context and
diversity
• Address Trauma
• What happened to you vs. What is wrong with you?
• Strengths and responsibilities
• Emphasize strengths
• Individual, family, community all have responsibilities
• Respect: community and social acceptance
Other Network Approaches
• Open Dialogue is a sub-type of an overall
approach that emphasizes working with a
person within his social network.
• There are groups in Norway, Sweden,
Denmark, and Germany that have been
working in this way.
Norwegian Reflecting Teams
• Developed by Tom Andersen
• Team sits outside of circle
• Members reflect with one another
• Reflection
• Attention
• Image
• Resonance
• Movement
Family Care Foundation
• Started by Carina Håkansson in Gothenberg,
Sweden
• They
• Place people in homes
• Provide support from a clinical team
• Do not employ medical diagnoses
• For most part do not use medications
Open Dialogue Around the World
• UK- Peer Supported Open Dialogue
• UK Open Dialogue
• Offering formal three-year training
• Poland trainings: Leonardo Project
• Germany: multiple teams
OD/Need-adapted Approaches US
• NYC Parachute
• Advocates: Framingham, Massachusetts
• Atlanta, Georgia
• Vermont
Parachute NYC
• Grant from Federal government
• 5 years
• $15,000,000
• Trained teams in each of NYC’s five
boroughs
Advocates
Framingham, Massachusetts
• Funded by Foundation for Excellence in
Mental Health Care
• Collaborative pathways
• Early episode psychosis
• Low-dose medication
• High retention and patient satisfaction
• Small numbers
• In press
• Community-Based Flexible Supports (CBFS)
Atlanta, Georgia
• Recently funded by Foundation for Excellence in
Mental Health Care
• Implementation grant headed by Mary Olson,
Jaakko Seikkula, and Doug Zeidonis
• Training and implementation in large, public-sector
urban program
Howard Center and Dialogic
Practice
• Training at Institute for Dialogic Practice
• Monthly supervision with Norwegian
colleagues
• Supervision with psychiatry residents
• Consultation in the agency
• Principle is that, rather than present cases to
the expert, everyone meets together to
discuss shared dilemmas
• Appears to have high customer satisfaction
Howard Center START Team
• Peers and Professionals
• Training
• Dialogic practice
• Intentional peer support
• START is not an OD team but integrates what
we are learning into our work and shares
some principles with OD
• Crisis orientation
• Home based
• Flexible
• Network meetings
Vermont and Dialogic Practice
• Two other agencies have had training and
are implementing this work
• Agency consultations
• Annual network meeting
• Developing a state-wide training program
• Challenges
• Staff turnover
• Cost of training
• Reimbursement
OD and Psychiatry
Challenges
• Time constraints
• Limited resource
• Psychiatrists are
experts
• Diagnosis
• Dangerousness
• Team leader
Advantages
• Uncertainty should
be easy
• Diagnostic
uncertainty
• Therapeutic
uncertainty
Open Dialogue and Psychiatry
• The principles are silent on the use of drugs.
• Given the complexity of the treatment we do not
know:
• Did the low dose of drug impact outcome?
• Would this approach be as effective with
“standard” drug prescribing?
• There is a risk that, as this is disseminated, we
might ignore the role of drugs.
• Psychiatrists need to own their role as the
promoters of drugs and shift to a more cautious
stance.
A Way Forward for Psychiatry
• Narrow our focus
• Most people do not need us
• We have greatly expanded our reach and it is
time for contraction.
• Remain expert on psychoactive drug
• Adopt a drug-centered approach.
• Take our time
• See fewer people, but when we are involved, it
takes time.
• Be humble
• We do have the data to support any other
attitude.
Disease-centered vs Drug-centered
Moncrieff, The Bitterest Pills, 2013
Disease-Centered
• Drugs correct
abnormal brain
chemistry.
• Drugs are medical
treatments.
• The beneficial effects
of drugs are derived
from their effect on a
presumed disease
process.
Drug-Centered
• Drugs create
abnormal brain state.
• Drugs are
psychoactive
substances.
• Drugs alter the
expression of
psychiatric problems
through the
superimposition of
drug-induced effects.
Disease-centered vs Drug-centered
Moncrieff, The Bitterest Pills, 2013
Disease-Centered
• Main effects vs. side effects
• Drugs treat specific disease
• More likely to consider poor
long- term outcomes as
consequence of natural
course of underlying disease
state
• More likely to consider
recurrence of illness rather
than withdrawal reaction
Drug-Centered
• Drugs have broad
psychoactive effects
• Drugs may be useful in
some contexts
• More likely to consider
negative long-term
impacts of drugs.
• When drugs are stopped,
withdrawal occurs; more
likely to consider
withdrawal effects
Integration of Drug-centered and Need-
adapted Approaches
• Drug-centered approach acknowledges that we
understand drug action much better than we
understand the etiology of human distress.
• Humility and uncertainty are central.
• Listen to what the person wants and values.
• Bring many perspectives into decision-making
process: adopt a network orientation.
Slow Psychiatry
• Analogy to slow food movement which
pushes back against industrial agriculture
• Industrial agriculture values production above all else
• Slow food movement values the environment, the
experience and cultural significance of food
• Consider our health in context of our
environment and our community
• Constriction psychiatry’s purview in human
distress, but
• This is not the same as 15-minute visits
• When we do get involved, go slow
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#LivingWellNSW
sandys@howardcenter.org
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Slow Psychiatry: Open dialogue and need-adapted approaches in the US

  • 1. Open Dialogue and Need-Adapted Approaches in the US Sandra Steingard, M.D.
  • 2. Thank You Mental Health Commission of New South Wales International Initiative for Mental Health Leadership (IIMHL) 2
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  • 5. Howard Center, Burlington, Vermont Vermont population ~ 650,000 Chittenden County ~ 120,000 Burlington ~ 40,000 Howard Center employs ~ 1300 Operating budget ~ $90,000,000/year We serve thousands Children & adults; developmental disabilities, substance abuse, crisis services, residential Community Support Program ~ 650 Developed to serve individuals who, in another era, would have lived in a state hospital Most diagnosed with psychotic disorders
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  • 9. Brief Personal Introduction • Early science education: chemistry major • Studied psychoanalysis during medical school and residency training • Fascination with psychosis: return to “biological psychiatry” • Disgust with “Pharma” and medicine • Long-term critical view of psychiatric diagnosis • Recent evidence of long-term harms of drugs • Stumbling upon need-adapted approaches
  • 11. Outcome Data *Svedberg B et al., Social Psychiatry 36: 332-337, 2001 **Seikkula J and Arnkil TE, Dialogical Meetings in Social Networks, 2006 OD**(combined 1992- 1997 data) Stockholm* Schizophrenia 59% 54% Other 41% 46% Age Female 26.5 Male 27.5 Female 30 Male 29 Neuroleptic used 29% 93% Neuroleptic at follow-up 17% 75% GAF at follow-up 66 55 On disability 19% 62% No. of subjects 72 71
  • 12. Need-adapted Approaches • Developed in Finland during deinstitutionalization in 1980s • “Need-adapted” came from notion that there were multiple competing theories of etiology of schizophrenia and multiple competing approaches to it • Unclear which approach most applicable to each person
  • 13. Need-adapted Approaches • Clinical team decided to meet with the person and his family to discuss this dilemma • Approached person not with goal of applying a set theoretical framework but with an openness to using all models as needed • Social context was considered important • Observed that, for many patients, this led to resolution of the problem
  • 14. Open Dialogue: History In late 1980s, Finland organized a study of NAT in 6 regions • In 3 regions, drugs not given for first 6 weeks • Tornio team did a 5-year outcome study of their work • They continued to practice in this way • They did two further replications with similar results
  • 15. What Is Open Dialogue? • Organization of a mental health care system • A particular form of psychotherapy: dialogic practice • One can offer dialogic practice independent of the system of care but that should not be considered OD
  • 16. OD: Seven Principles • Systemic • Immediate help • Network orientation • Flexibility and mobility • Responsibility • Continuity • Dialogic Practice • Tolerance of uncertainty • Dialogic process
  • 17. OD: 12 Key Elements of Fidelity Olson M, Seikkula J, Ziedonis D, 2014 http://umassmed.edu/psychiatry/globalinitiatives/opendialogue/ Funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care • Two or more therapists • Participation of family or social Nnetwork • Open-Ended Questions • What is the history of the meeting? • How would you like to use this meeting? • Responding to person's utterances • Use client's words
  • 18. OD: 12 Key Elements of Fidelity Olson M, Seikkula J, Ziedonis D, 2014 Funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care • Emphasizing the present moment • Eliciting multiple viewpoints • Polyphony • Inner and outer voices • Engaging absent members • Creating a relational focus in the dialogue • Circular questions: Who else agrees? Who wanted to come? Who didn't? • Responding to problem or discourse as meaningful
  • 19. OD: 12 Key Elements of Fidelity Olson M, Seikkula J, Ziedonis D, 2014 Funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care • Emphasizing client's own words and stories rather than symptoms. • Reflection among professionals in the meeting • Professionals in room will talk among themselves • Family can reflect on that • Transparency • Toleration of uncertainty – Professionals do not have answers but provide safety and make contact with each person in the room
  • 20. Medical Model vs. Need-adapted Medical Model •Focus on individual •Focus on psychopathology •Family involved as needed •Offers treatments based on diagnosis •Tend to be more fixed •Treatments seen in a more technological way, independent of the relationship Need-adapted •Focus on social network from outset •Hold diagnosis lightly •Hold uncertainty •“Treatment” proceeds from individual /network needs: •Flexible •Psychological continuity •Psychotherapeutic attitude
  • 21. Recovery Principles Substance Abuse and Mental Health Service Administration (SAMHSA) • Hope: expect recovery • Person-driven: respect a person’s values and wishes • For some people, reduction of symptoms may not be paramount. • Many pathways: non-linear • One (or two or three) relapse does not mean one is chronically ill. • Holistic: encompasses all aspects of a person’s life
  • 22. Recovery Principles: SAMHSA • Peer Support • Relational: value of social networks • Culture: sensitivity to cultural context and diversity • Address Trauma • What happened to you vs. What is wrong with you? • Strengths and responsibilities • Emphasize strengths • Individual, family, community all have responsibilities • Respect: community and social acceptance
  • 23. Other Network Approaches • Open Dialogue is a sub-type of an overall approach that emphasizes working with a person within his social network. • There are groups in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany that have been working in this way.
  • 24. Norwegian Reflecting Teams • Developed by Tom Andersen • Team sits outside of circle • Members reflect with one another • Reflection • Attention • Image • Resonance • Movement
  • 25. Family Care Foundation • Started by Carina Håkansson in Gothenberg, Sweden • They • Place people in homes • Provide support from a clinical team • Do not employ medical diagnoses • For most part do not use medications
  • 26. Open Dialogue Around the World • UK- Peer Supported Open Dialogue • UK Open Dialogue • Offering formal three-year training • Poland trainings: Leonardo Project • Germany: multiple teams
  • 27. OD/Need-adapted Approaches US • NYC Parachute • Advocates: Framingham, Massachusetts • Atlanta, Georgia • Vermont
  • 28. Parachute NYC • Grant from Federal government • 5 years • $15,000,000 • Trained teams in each of NYC’s five boroughs
  • 29. Advocates Framingham, Massachusetts • Funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care • Collaborative pathways • Early episode psychosis • Low-dose medication • High retention and patient satisfaction • Small numbers • In press • Community-Based Flexible Supports (CBFS)
  • 30. Atlanta, Georgia • Recently funded by Foundation for Excellence in Mental Health Care • Implementation grant headed by Mary Olson, Jaakko Seikkula, and Doug Zeidonis • Training and implementation in large, public-sector urban program
  • 31. Howard Center and Dialogic Practice • Training at Institute for Dialogic Practice • Monthly supervision with Norwegian colleagues • Supervision with psychiatry residents • Consultation in the agency • Principle is that, rather than present cases to the expert, everyone meets together to discuss shared dilemmas • Appears to have high customer satisfaction
  • 32. Howard Center START Team • Peers and Professionals • Training • Dialogic practice • Intentional peer support • START is not an OD team but integrates what we are learning into our work and shares some principles with OD • Crisis orientation • Home based • Flexible • Network meetings
  • 33. Vermont and Dialogic Practice • Two other agencies have had training and are implementing this work • Agency consultations • Annual network meeting • Developing a state-wide training program • Challenges • Staff turnover • Cost of training • Reimbursement
  • 34. OD and Psychiatry Challenges • Time constraints • Limited resource • Psychiatrists are experts • Diagnosis • Dangerousness • Team leader Advantages • Uncertainty should be easy • Diagnostic uncertainty • Therapeutic uncertainty
  • 35. Open Dialogue and Psychiatry • The principles are silent on the use of drugs. • Given the complexity of the treatment we do not know: • Did the low dose of drug impact outcome? • Would this approach be as effective with “standard” drug prescribing? • There is a risk that, as this is disseminated, we might ignore the role of drugs. • Psychiatrists need to own their role as the promoters of drugs and shift to a more cautious stance.
  • 36. A Way Forward for Psychiatry • Narrow our focus • Most people do not need us • We have greatly expanded our reach and it is time for contraction. • Remain expert on psychoactive drug • Adopt a drug-centered approach. • Take our time • See fewer people, but when we are involved, it takes time. • Be humble • We do have the data to support any other attitude.
  • 37. Disease-centered vs Drug-centered Moncrieff, The Bitterest Pills, 2013 Disease-Centered • Drugs correct abnormal brain chemistry. • Drugs are medical treatments. • The beneficial effects of drugs are derived from their effect on a presumed disease process. Drug-Centered • Drugs create abnormal brain state. • Drugs are psychoactive substances. • Drugs alter the expression of psychiatric problems through the superimposition of drug-induced effects.
  • 38. Disease-centered vs Drug-centered Moncrieff, The Bitterest Pills, 2013 Disease-Centered • Main effects vs. side effects • Drugs treat specific disease • More likely to consider poor long- term outcomes as consequence of natural course of underlying disease state • More likely to consider recurrence of illness rather than withdrawal reaction Drug-Centered • Drugs have broad psychoactive effects • Drugs may be useful in some contexts • More likely to consider negative long-term impacts of drugs. • When drugs are stopped, withdrawal occurs; more likely to consider withdrawal effects
  • 39. Integration of Drug-centered and Need- adapted Approaches • Drug-centered approach acknowledges that we understand drug action much better than we understand the etiology of human distress. • Humility and uncertainty are central. • Listen to what the person wants and values. • Bring many perspectives into decision-making process: adopt a network orientation.
  • 40. Slow Psychiatry • Analogy to slow food movement which pushes back against industrial agriculture • Industrial agriculture values production above all else • Slow food movement values the environment, the experience and cultural significance of food • Consider our health in context of our environment and our community • Constriction psychiatry’s purview in human distress, but • This is not the same as 15-minute visits • When we do get involved, go slow