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Talking with 
Tsunami 
Survivors in 
Japan 
Kou Kunishige 
Diversity Counselling New Zealand
11.3.2011 
2011 earthquake off the Pacific coast of Tōhoku
Overview 
 Earthquake 
 14:46 JST (05:46 UTC) on Friday 11 March 2011 
 Magnitude 9.0 
 Moved Honshu (the main island of Japan) 2.4 m east 
 Tsunami 
 Reached up to 40.5 metres high in Miyako 
 Travelled up to 10 km inland
Humanitarian crisis 
 Toll at Oct 2014 
 Death 15,889; Injured 6,152; Missing 2,598 
 Evacuees more than 400,000 after the earthquake 
Still 243,040 are evacuees at 11 Sep 2014 
 Economic impact 
 the Japanese government estimated that the cost of 
just the direct material damage could exceed ¥25 
trillion (US$300 billion).
Emergency Counsellor 
(EC) 
 The government was planning to send 
ECs to schools as weekly rotation. 
 However, High schools in Miyagi wanted 
ECs to stay there, at least for three 
months 
 March 2011, planning to live in NZ. All 
contracts in Japan finished. So 
temporarily and unusually I was free.
Kesennuma 
City, 
Miyagi, 
Japan
Nuclear Plants
High schools 
 Kesennuma Koyo High School 
 Vocational School to be a sailor, 
engineer, or cook 
 Kesennuma High School 
 No damage from the Tsumani, so 
the gyms were used for the shelters 
and the Japanese self-defense 
force camped on the school ground
Kesennuma Koyo 
High School
Disaster Prevention Centre at Minamisanriku
What can you 
do as a 
counsellor?
How do you imagine the 
students looked like? 
After two months passed, the school were 
eventually able to start their class. Then I started 
to work. 
There were students who lost their home, relatives, 
loving ones. The school teachers were not 
exceptions to this.
There can be so many 
things you can imagine. 
However there is 
something you might not 
be able to imagine.
There were ordinariness 
and normality. 
This was the moment when we could not believe 
what we actually saw. Then we wanted to dig 
something hidden underneath.
PTSD 
How many people who develop PTSD do you 
think I needed to deal with over two years? 
The schools have more than 1,000 students. I 
asked other schools in the area about PTSD.
Behind a TV camera 
 A TV camera can focus something 
standout, but not something ordinary. 
 A proverb “seeing is believing”. But 
how is it different from seeing 
directly with our own eyes to seeing 
through a media. 
 A mount of information you obtain is 
far beyond the information though a 
media.
When people don’t see 
what they imagined 
 People try so hard to find out something 
they imagined. 
 People asked survivors to obtain what they 
wanted. “You are hurt, aren’t you?” 
 Media wanted to find out the kind of stories 
they could imagine outside. 
 Even professionals wanted to find. Some 
believed that there must be such things.
First hand talk & Second hand 
talk 
 We tend to hear similar stories. We 
can not assume that the number of 
being-told represents the number of 
existence of the story. 
 The people tend to circular salient 
stories. We cannot spot who told this 
story to begin with. 
 Original story & Circulated story
Stories circulated by 
professionals 
 Questions can be generated before hand. 
Questions themselves would not be 
questioned whether they are appropriate 
for them or not. 
 Questions can generate answers as they 
require. 
 Such answers will be taken and form 
particular stories. Then they will be 
circulated.
Echoes 
The number of echoes 
you hear doesn’t reflect 
the number of the 
incidents.
Ludwig Wittgenstein 
The Blue and Brown Books (1958) 
Instead of "craving for 
generality” I could also have 
said "the contemptuous 
attitude towards the 
particular case"
Why not PTSD? 
Every event can be located in its 
context – history, culture, and tradition. 
Nothing can stand alone. So we need 
to explore backgrounds, contexts of the 
event. Otherwise, we will 
misunderstand them.
Nuclear Plants
Tsunami Evacuation Site
A story of an expectation 
 A student told me “When the 
earthquake happened, I was near the 
sea. I was quite sure that tsunami 
would come and I should have 15 to 
20 minutes to evacuate.” 
 He went back to his house and picked up 
what he needed, then went to the 
evacuation area.
A story of a hunch 
 A school teacher needed to evacuate 
the students to the designated place. 
He did. However, He felt something. 
So they decided to move on to further 
place, which was never considered 
before. 
 Later what they found was the 
designated place wad destroyed by 
tsunami.
How they tell about tsunami 
 Adults told children, even in the early phase, 
“What you have to do when you become a 
grandparent is to tell what you experienced 
to your grandchildren.” 
 Toward nature, people need to find a way to live 
with, rather than to stop it. 
 This is not a human-made accident. You 
don’t need to forget. The community would 
carry it with you.
Concepts of PTSD 
 The big incident would cause some 
psychological disturbance even if one 
month passes, and the symptoms last 
more than one month. Then it makes 
his/her life so difficult. 
 The rates of developing PTSD after a 
traumatic event very from around 10% 
to sometimes 40%. Is it?
DSM Criteria for PTSD 
 Criterion A: stressor 
 Criterion B: intrusive recollection 
 Criterion C: avoidant/numbing 
 Criterion D: hyper-arousal 
 Criterion E: duration 
 Criterion F: functional significance 
 The disturbance causes clinically significant 
distress or impairment in social, occupational, or 
other important areas of functioning.
Research on PTSD 
 Many researches are about the symptoms which 
are considered to belong to the PTSD. 
 NOT the number of PTSD diagnosis. They 
often don’t show the prevalence rates of 
PTSD. 
 The question is how the symptoms are 
related to “PTSD” itself.
PTSD Checklist (1) 
Weathers, Litz, Huska, & Keane (1994); National Center for 
PTSD 
1. Not at all 2. A little bit 3. Moderately 4. Quite a bit 5. Extremely 
 1. Repeated, disturbing memories, 
thoughts, or images of a stressful 
experience? 
 2. Repeated, disturbing dreams of a 
stressful experience? 
 3. Suddenly acting or feeling as if a stressful 
experience were happening again (as if 
you were reliving it)? 
 4. Feeling very upset when something 
reminded you of a stressful experience?
PTSD Checklist (2) 
Weathers, Litz, Huska, & Keane (1994); National Center for 
PTSD 
1. Not at all 2. A little bit 3. Moderately 4. Quite a bit 5. Extremely 
 5. Having physical reactions (e.g., heart pounding, 
trouble breathing, sweating) when something 
reminded you of a stressful experience? 
 6. Avoiding thinking about or talking about a stressful 
experience or avoiding having feelings related to it? 
 7. Avoiding activities or situations because they 
reminded you of a stressful experience? 
 8. Trouble remembering important parts of a stressful 
experience? 
 9. Loss of interest in activities that you used to 
enjoy?
PTSD Checklist (3) 
Weathers, Litz, Huska, & Keane (1994); National Center for 
PTSD 
1. Not at all 2. A little bit 3. Moderately 4. Quite a bit 5. Extremely 
 10. Feeling distant or cut off from other people? 
 11. Feeling emotionally numb or being unable to have 
loving feelings for those close to you? 
 12. Feeling as if your future will somehow be cut 
short? 
 13. Trouble falling or staying asleep? 
 14. Feeling irritable or having angry outbursts? 
 15. Having difficulty concentrating? 
 16. Being "super-alert" or watchful or on guard? 
 17. Feeling jumpy or easily startled?
What is helping? 
 They are “normal” symptoms. As we are 
“flesh-and-blood persons, we react, feel 
anxious, not to sleep, not to want to see. 
 Symptoms are not from disorders nor illness. 
 You don’t need to FIX those symptoms. But 
they need to take care of themselves as 
much as possible. 
 A high school girl saw tsunami and the people 
who were taken by tsunami.
Factors which PTSD 
doesn’t deal with 
 How big it is depends upon how people 
perceive it. 
 What it means depends how the people 
around them respond to it. 
 How much they have to suffer is not only the 
degree of the incident itself, but how difficult 
for them to restore their life.
The people wanted to talk 
 But, not to a person who has a tag of 
“Mental Health Care”. 
 If you ask them “Can you tell me what 
happened, as I need to know as much as 
possible to help “other” people,” they 
would tell you so many things. 
 Don’t offer “counselling”, but offer an 
opportunity to talk.
resilience 
 Don’t give a name of disorder to people easily even 
if you recognize some symptoms. 
 Treatments which the notions of PTSD lead won’t be 
necessary. You don’t need to deal with them directly. 
 What they need is to have enough time, space to 
restore their health. 
 Then various supports after the event are needed to 
restore their daily life.
Tsunami Wall 
The 14.7-metre (48ft) wall below will do little more 
than protect rice paddies, at a cost of $230m.
Moving a village

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DCNZ PD: Talking with tsunami survivors in Japan (09 Dec 2014)

  • 1. Talking with Tsunami Survivors in Japan Kou Kunishige Diversity Counselling New Zealand
  • 2. 11.3.2011 2011 earthquake off the Pacific coast of Tōhoku
  • 3. Overview  Earthquake  14:46 JST (05:46 UTC) on Friday 11 March 2011  Magnitude 9.0  Moved Honshu (the main island of Japan) 2.4 m east  Tsunami  Reached up to 40.5 metres high in Miyako  Travelled up to 10 km inland
  • 4. Humanitarian crisis  Toll at Oct 2014  Death 15,889; Injured 6,152; Missing 2,598  Evacuees more than 400,000 after the earthquake Still 243,040 are evacuees at 11 Sep 2014  Economic impact  the Japanese government estimated that the cost of just the direct material damage could exceed ¥25 trillion (US$300 billion).
  • 5. Emergency Counsellor (EC)  The government was planning to send ECs to schools as weekly rotation.  However, High schools in Miyagi wanted ECs to stay there, at least for three months  March 2011, planning to live in NZ. All contracts in Japan finished. So temporarily and unusually I was free.
  • 8. High schools  Kesennuma Koyo High School  Vocational School to be a sailor, engineer, or cook  Kesennuma High School  No damage from the Tsumani, so the gyms were used for the shelters and the Japanese self-defense force camped on the school ground
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  • 11. Disaster Prevention Centre at Minamisanriku
  • 12. What can you do as a counsellor?
  • 13. How do you imagine the students looked like? After two months passed, the school were eventually able to start their class. Then I started to work. There were students who lost their home, relatives, loving ones. The school teachers were not exceptions to this.
  • 14. There can be so many things you can imagine. However there is something you might not be able to imagine.
  • 15. There were ordinariness and normality. This was the moment when we could not believe what we actually saw. Then we wanted to dig something hidden underneath.
  • 16. PTSD How many people who develop PTSD do you think I needed to deal with over two years? The schools have more than 1,000 students. I asked other schools in the area about PTSD.
  • 17. Behind a TV camera  A TV camera can focus something standout, but not something ordinary.  A proverb “seeing is believing”. But how is it different from seeing directly with our own eyes to seeing through a media.  A mount of information you obtain is far beyond the information though a media.
  • 18. When people don’t see what they imagined  People try so hard to find out something they imagined.  People asked survivors to obtain what they wanted. “You are hurt, aren’t you?”  Media wanted to find out the kind of stories they could imagine outside.  Even professionals wanted to find. Some believed that there must be such things.
  • 19. First hand talk & Second hand talk  We tend to hear similar stories. We can not assume that the number of being-told represents the number of existence of the story.  The people tend to circular salient stories. We cannot spot who told this story to begin with.  Original story & Circulated story
  • 20. Stories circulated by professionals  Questions can be generated before hand. Questions themselves would not be questioned whether they are appropriate for them or not.  Questions can generate answers as they require.  Such answers will be taken and form particular stories. Then they will be circulated.
  • 21. Echoes The number of echoes you hear doesn’t reflect the number of the incidents.
  • 22. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Blue and Brown Books (1958) Instead of "craving for generality” I could also have said "the contemptuous attitude towards the particular case"
  • 23. Why not PTSD? Every event can be located in its context – history, culture, and tradition. Nothing can stand alone. So we need to explore backgrounds, contexts of the event. Otherwise, we will misunderstand them.
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  • 27. A story of an expectation  A student told me “When the earthquake happened, I was near the sea. I was quite sure that tsunami would come and I should have 15 to 20 minutes to evacuate.”  He went back to his house and picked up what he needed, then went to the evacuation area.
  • 28. A story of a hunch  A school teacher needed to evacuate the students to the designated place. He did. However, He felt something. So they decided to move on to further place, which was never considered before.  Later what they found was the designated place wad destroyed by tsunami.
  • 29. How they tell about tsunami  Adults told children, even in the early phase, “What you have to do when you become a grandparent is to tell what you experienced to your grandchildren.”  Toward nature, people need to find a way to live with, rather than to stop it.  This is not a human-made accident. You don’t need to forget. The community would carry it with you.
  • 30. Concepts of PTSD  The big incident would cause some psychological disturbance even if one month passes, and the symptoms last more than one month. Then it makes his/her life so difficult.  The rates of developing PTSD after a traumatic event very from around 10% to sometimes 40%. Is it?
  • 31. DSM Criteria for PTSD  Criterion A: stressor  Criterion B: intrusive recollection  Criterion C: avoidant/numbing  Criterion D: hyper-arousal  Criterion E: duration  Criterion F: functional significance  The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
  • 32. Research on PTSD  Many researches are about the symptoms which are considered to belong to the PTSD.  NOT the number of PTSD diagnosis. They often don’t show the prevalence rates of PTSD.  The question is how the symptoms are related to “PTSD” itself.
  • 33. PTSD Checklist (1) Weathers, Litz, Huska, & Keane (1994); National Center for PTSD 1. Not at all 2. A little bit 3. Moderately 4. Quite a bit 5. Extremely  1. Repeated, disturbing memories, thoughts, or images of a stressful experience?  2. Repeated, disturbing dreams of a stressful experience?  3. Suddenly acting or feeling as if a stressful experience were happening again (as if you were reliving it)?  4. Feeling very upset when something reminded you of a stressful experience?
  • 34. PTSD Checklist (2) Weathers, Litz, Huska, & Keane (1994); National Center for PTSD 1. Not at all 2. A little bit 3. Moderately 4. Quite a bit 5. Extremely  5. Having physical reactions (e.g., heart pounding, trouble breathing, sweating) when something reminded you of a stressful experience?  6. Avoiding thinking about or talking about a stressful experience or avoiding having feelings related to it?  7. Avoiding activities or situations because they reminded you of a stressful experience?  8. Trouble remembering important parts of a stressful experience?  9. Loss of interest in activities that you used to enjoy?
  • 35. PTSD Checklist (3) Weathers, Litz, Huska, & Keane (1994); National Center for PTSD 1. Not at all 2. A little bit 3. Moderately 4. Quite a bit 5. Extremely  10. Feeling distant or cut off from other people?  11. Feeling emotionally numb or being unable to have loving feelings for those close to you?  12. Feeling as if your future will somehow be cut short?  13. Trouble falling or staying asleep?  14. Feeling irritable or having angry outbursts?  15. Having difficulty concentrating?  16. Being "super-alert" or watchful or on guard?  17. Feeling jumpy or easily startled?
  • 36. What is helping?  They are “normal” symptoms. As we are “flesh-and-blood persons, we react, feel anxious, not to sleep, not to want to see.  Symptoms are not from disorders nor illness.  You don’t need to FIX those symptoms. But they need to take care of themselves as much as possible.  A high school girl saw tsunami and the people who were taken by tsunami.
  • 37. Factors which PTSD doesn’t deal with  How big it is depends upon how people perceive it.  What it means depends how the people around them respond to it.  How much they have to suffer is not only the degree of the incident itself, but how difficult for them to restore their life.
  • 38. The people wanted to talk  But, not to a person who has a tag of “Mental Health Care”.  If you ask them “Can you tell me what happened, as I need to know as much as possible to help “other” people,” they would tell you so many things.  Don’t offer “counselling”, but offer an opportunity to talk.
  • 39. resilience  Don’t give a name of disorder to people easily even if you recognize some symptoms.  Treatments which the notions of PTSD lead won’t be necessary. You don’t need to deal with them directly.  What they need is to have enough time, space to restore their health.  Then various supports after the event are needed to restore their daily life.
  • 40. Tsunami Wall The 14.7-metre (48ft) wall below will do little more than protect rice paddies, at a cost of $230m.