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Kiowa Constitutional Reforms Survey Results
1. KCRC
1. Are you currently an enrolled member of the Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 89.8% 44
No 10.2% 5
answered question 49
skipped question 1
2. Please enter your Kiowa Enrollment Number (Information will not be used for
identification purposes):
Response
Count
32
answered question 32
skipped question 18
3. Do you believe that the Kiowa Constitution needs to be changed?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 78.1% 25
No 21.9% 7
Comment:
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answered question 32
skipped question 18
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2. 4. Should the name Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma be changed to Kiowa Nation?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 48.6% 18
No 51.4% 19
Comment:
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skipped question 13
5. Shall the Kiowa government be changed to a multi-branch system (checks and balances)
that includes executive, legislative, judicial, and Kiowa Nation Council?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 77.8% 28
No 22.2% 8
Comment:
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answered question 36
skipped question 14
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3. 6. The quorum or number of eligible voting-age Kiowas who need to be in attendance at the
annual Kiowa/Tribal Council meeting to conduct business shall be:
Response Response
Percent Count
75 37.1% 13
125 22.9% 8
175 40.0% 14
Comment:
17
answered question 35
skipped question 15
7. Shall one of the constitutional powers of the Kiowa Nation Council be to set policy for the
Kiowa government?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 61.1% 22
No 38.9% 14
Comment:
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answered question 36
skipped question 14
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4. 8. Shall elected Kiowa representatives be residents of a specific geographic/demographic
area, such as (1) the Hobart-Gotebo-Mountain View area, the (2) Lawton (Comanche
County) area, the (3) Carnegie area, the (4) Oklahoma City-Norman-Tulsa area, the (5)
Anadarko-Stecker-Apache-Ft. Cobb area, and (6) the Absentee Kiowas (such as those who
reside out of Oklahoma)?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 70.6% 24
No 29.4% 10
Comment:
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skipped question 16
9. Shall minimum age requirements for elected district representatives (not Officers) be 25
years of age?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 68.6% 24
No 31.4% 11
Comment:
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answered question 35
skipped question 15
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5. 10. Shall all elected Kiowa district representatives be required to have a high school
diploma or GED?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 86.1% 31
No 13.9% 5
Comment:
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answered question 36
skipped question 14
11. Shall elected Kiowa Executive Officers be required to have a bachelor's or higher
degree from an accredited college? (Examples: Governor-Lieutenant Governor, President-
Vice President, Principal Chief-Sub Chief)
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 61.8% 21
NO 38.2% 13
Comment:
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skipped question 16
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6. 12. Shall the position of Treasurer require a degree completed in Accounting, OR 5-year
work experience from a financial decision-making capacity within a corporation or civil
service?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 80.0% 28
No 20.0% 7
Comment:
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skipped question 15
13. Shall terms of office for all Kiowa representatives be increased to four (4) years with
routine elections occurring every two years on a staggered basis?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 68.8% 22
No 31.3% 10
Comment:
8
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skipped question 18
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7. 14. Shall Kiowa elections be changed to include a primary election and a run-off election, if
necessary?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 71.9% 23
No 28.1% 9
Comment:
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skipped question 18
15. Shall Kiowas found guilty of a felony in a court of competent jurisdiction involving
misuse of money, dishonesty, a crime involving serious bodily injury or death, and/or sexual
misconduct?
Response Response
Percent Count
Be eligible for elected Kiowa office
if the felony is 10 years or older? 18.2% 6
(10-Year Option)
Never be eligible for elected
Kiowa office (Never Eligible 81.8% 27
Option)
Comment:
10
answered question 33
skipped question 17
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8. 16. Shall the term of office from a special election called to fill a vacated position be
considered full-term, regardless of length?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 48.6% 17
NO 51.4% 18
Comment:
5
answered question 35
skipped question 15
17. Shall Kiowa district representatives be elected only by those Kiowa voters who reside
in the representative's district?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 45.7% 16
No 54.3% 19
Comment:
9
answered question 35
skipped question 15
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9. 18. Shall the Powers of the Kiowa Nation Council remain unchanged?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 28.6% 8
No 71.4% 20
Comment:
11
answered question 28
skipped question 22
19. Shall Kiowa Election Commission members be elected only by those Kiowa who reside
in the same geographic district as the candidate?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 32.4% 11
No 67.6% 23
Comment:
4
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skipped question 16
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10. 20. Shall all elected Kiowa representatives be entitled to a salary?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 73.5% 25
No 26.5% 9
Comment:
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skipped question 16
21. Shall a candidate for elected office be declared ineligible if an immediate family
member is already an elected Kiowa representative (Example: a brother, sister, mother,
father, or lineal grandparent) or a relative in the first degree (Example: first cousin, aunt, or
uncle)?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 66.7% 22
No 33.3% 11
Comment:
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skipped question 17
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11. 22. Shall tribal members who live outside of Oklahoma be entitled to the same Legislative
representation as tribal members who live within the KCA reservation?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 88.2% 30
No 11.8% 4
Comment:
10
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skipped question 16
23. Should the constitution specifically provide protections guaranteeing employees cannot
be terminated without proof of good cause?
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 84.4% 27
No 15.6% 5
Comment:
10
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skipped question 18
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12. 24. Should the Tribe discharge an employee or seek retaliatory actions, such as "Whistle
Blowing," against an employee who makes public any information of misconduct by
officials/tribal leaders or employees of the Tribe.
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 12.9% 4
No 87.1% 27
Comment:
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answered question 31
skipped question 19
25. Should Tribal Member be entitled to review their personal records maintained by the
Kiowa Tribe/Nation which are not otherwise protected by the Privacy Act or other
Ordinances of the Tribe.
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 82.4% 28
No 17.6% 6
Comment:
8
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skipped question 16
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13. 26. Should the Tribe not infringe upon the religious or cultural beliefs or prohibit the free
exercise thereof of tribal members, including the right to possess and use peyote for
religious purposes when used by members of the Native American Church.
Response Response
Percent Count
Yes 96.7% 29
No 3.3% 1
Comment:
8
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skipped question 20
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14. Page 1, Q2. Please enter your Kiowa Enrollment Number (Information will not be used for identification
purposes):
1 KI1444 Oct 23, 2009 1:34 PM
2 ko-3050 Oct 3, 2009 10:42 PM
3 k06374 Sep 26, 2009 3:42 PM
4 K04825 Sep 23, 2009 3:43 PM
5 k04825 Sep 23, 2009 3:42 PM
6 K10337 Sep 23, 2009 4:27 AM
7 K04825 Sep 18, 2009 9:50 AM
8 k06374 Sep 18, 2009 6:08 AM
9 KO1677 Sep 16, 2009 9:57 AM
10 K07272 Sep 12, 2009 1:02 AM
11 KO1255 Sep 11, 2009 3:50 PM
12 k10201 Sep 11, 2009 2:24 PM
13 K01782 Sep 10, 2009 11:11 PM
14 ko1630 Sep 10, 2009 7:30 PM
15 K00627 Sep 10, 2009 9:11 AM
16 KO6420 Sep 9, 2009 9:26 PM
17 ko2371 Sep 9, 2009 8:59 AM
18 K13118 Sep 8, 2009 10:16 AM
19 K0 0716 Sep 8, 2009 10:16 AM
20 K06922 Sep 8, 2009 9:22 AM
21 KO1670 Sep 8, 2009 4:30 AM
22 K01487 Sep 7, 2009 9:59 AM
23 KO9849 Sep 7, 2009 9:01 AM
24 00709 Sep 5, 2009 8:52 AM
25 3890 Sep 5, 2009 4:20 AM
26 KO7429 Sep 4, 2009 7:27 PM
27 k00716 Sep 4, 2009 3:46 PM
28 koo17 Sep 4, 2009 3:28 PM
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15. Page 1, Q2. Please enter your Kiowa Enrollment Number (Information will not be used for identification
purposes):
29 K09870 Sep 4, 2009 2:05 PM
30 K01746 Sep 4, 2009 1:14 PM
31 k07397 Sep 4, 2009 12:22 PM
32 KO9876 Sep 1, 2009 2:48 PM
Page 2, Q1. Do you believe that the Kiowa Constitution needs to be changed?
1 It was designed to function as a corporate board not a governing body of the Oct 23, 2009 2:22 PM
tribe.
2 needs to be updated Oct 6, 2009 8:54 PM
3 unsure. question too broad. Sep 26, 2009 3:48 PM
4 some of the laws and by-laws are out-dated Sep 20, 2009 9:59 AM
5 This is a broad question. In what way? Tribal members, who want one, should Sep 18, 2009 11:14 AM
be given a copy of the constitution in order to form an opinion about whether the
constitution needs revision. Most probably haven't ever read it.
6 Don't know enough on the constitution to make educated comments on the need Sep 16, 2009 10:04 AM
for change. Can enrolled members get copies of the constitution?
7 But only thru the amendment process...which will strengthen and close those Sep 15, 2009 6:27 PM
loopholes that are presently being used against tribal members.
8 We voted a revision not a total re-write. There are elements that need to be Sep 12, 2009 1:09 AM
adjusted in light of the recognition of sovereignty and our limited sovereignty.
9 It was written many years ago for that era and now, there are a lot of new laws in Sep 11, 2009 2:31 PM
effect that need to be reflected in our new constitution.
10 It is outdated. Also it puts far too much power in the hearing board. The hearing Sep 8, 2009 10:20 AM
board has the final say on things. You should always have a way to appeal a
ruling.
11 It needs to be dissolved, and a new one drawn up. Sep 8, 2009 4:34 AM
12 Especially in regard to the blood quantum. As it is now my grandchildren will Sep 7, 2009 9:05 AM
likely not be enrolled members of the tribe. Changes are warranted to reflect the
context of our times now in order to help preserve our tribe and culture.
13 Amended, perhaps. Total revision? NO Sep 4, 2009 7:34 PM
14 It was made for a reason and reasons known. I do not believe that anyone Sep 4, 2009 3:35 PM
should be allowed to revise or have that power too.
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16. Page 2, Q1. Do you believe that the Kiowa Constitution needs to be changed?
15 not so muched changed, but revisited and updated with provisions to todays Sep 4, 2009 12:25 PM
government.
16 It is outdated and needs to be totally revised Sep 1, 2009 2:49 PM
Page 2, Q2. Should the name Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma be changed to Kiowa Nation?
1 ???? Not sure. Nation connotes sovereign status but we have sovereign status Oct 23, 2009 2:22 PM
either way.
2 sounds good Oct 6, 2009 8:54 PM
3 It should be changed to Cauigu (Khoiyegoo) because that is our current Kiowa Sep 23, 2009 4:32 AM
word for ourselves. However Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma is fine as long as we dont
have to spend the little money we have to pay for new letter heads. Nation is
just an English word and means very little to me as a Kiowa person. Mexico is
called Mexico, Not Mexico Nation. Canada is not called Canada Nation. they
are nations none the less. Again if we were to change our name it should be our
own word (Cauigu / Khoiyegoo)
4 that's not necessary Sep 20, 2009 9:59 AM
5 I think the term Nation should be adopted because the term is associated with Sep 18, 2009 11:14 AM
sovereign rights. Its a more respected term than "tribe".
6 I like the name of the tribe as it is. Sep 16, 2009 10:04 AM
7 Not really sure, I'm use to the Kiowa Tribe, but it does have a Modern ring to it. Sep 11, 2009 2:31 PM
8 Why change our tribal name? Just because others tribes have. We are already Sep 10, 2009 11:23 PM
recognized as a Nation within a Nation no need to change our Identity as a
Tribe.
9 We aren't a nation. We are have sovereign entity, but we still depend on the Sep 8, 2009 10:20 AM
government for too many grants and programs. Until we are totally dependent,
then I don't consider us a nation.
10 I feel that the Kiowa's should be known as a nation, and not of indigenous Sep 8, 2009 4:34 AM
classification. Zulu's are tribes, we are one of many nations w/n a nation.
11 We're not a nation. We are sovereign in some things, but we still depend on the Sep 4, 2009 3:50 PM
U.S. for funding in several areas.
12 For what! That is jus another form of wanting power. The kiowa tribe is the kiowa Sep 4, 2009 3:35 PM
tribe
13 Actually I would like to see us go back to our language. Cauigu is who we really Sep 1, 2009 2:49 PM
are.
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17. Page 2, Q3. Shall the Kiowa government be changed to a multi-branch system (checks and balances) that
includes executive, legislative, judicial, and Kiowa Nation Council?
1 There should not be FOUR branches of government. That would be a Oct 23, 2009 2:22 PM
nightmare. You should consider making the KNC (or KIC) a part of a bi-cameral
legislative body. The elected legislatures would have power to make laws
consistent with their authority, & the KNC meet twice a yr with authority to call for
any law passed by the legislators to a vote of the KNC (either on the floor of yhe
KNC or by tribal election.
2 by all means Oct 6, 2009 8:54 PM
3 There definitely needs to be more checks and balances. Sep 26, 2009 3:48 PM
4 The government definitely needs more transparency. Sep 18, 2009 11:14 AM
5 From living on other reservations, I would say yes there needs to be oversite. Sep 16, 2009 10:04 AM
6 Not unless there are funds available to do it right....not hi-gah-hain style - as this Sep 15, 2009 6:27 PM
present KBC and KCRC are trying to push thru...!
7 T Sep 12, 2009 1:09 AM
8 This would ensure that issues and monies would be checked and rechecked. Sep 11, 2009 2:31 PM
Our people and name as Kiowas are at stake, protect it/them.
9 Yes I believe there should be checks and balances watching over the Kiowa Sep 10, 2009 11:23 PM
Tribal Government Officials in office to ensure that officials are upholding their
OATH OF OFFICE and not over exerting authority and making sure the best
interest of the KIOWA PEOPLE are being implemented and not for personal
reasons or personal gain.
10 any form of government should have checks and balances. no one person Sep 10, 2009 11:32 AM
should be able to spend our money or get money without it being approved by
the majority
11 Only if it is set up like the United States government. Sep 8, 2009 10:20 AM
12 I think this would help tremendously. Sep 7, 2009 10:01 AM
13 Strongly agree with this statement. Sep 7, 2009 9:05 AM
14 That depends on the manner of selection, designated powers, terms of service, Sep 4, 2009 7:34 PM
oversight, methods of recourse and appeal.
15 The rules on who can or cannot serve on the hearing board is outdated. We Sep 4, 2009 3:50 PM
keep getting old people who are set in their ways and not open to new things.
Also their should always be a way to appeal a ruling. No more the hearing board
has the final say!
16 As said before, monies are slipping therough now. Sep 4, 2009 3:35 PM
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18. Page 2, Q4. The quorum or number of eligible voting-age Kiowas who need to be in attendance at the annual
Kiowa/Tribal Council meeting to conduct business shall be:
1 Depends on what kind of decisions can be made. Oct 23, 2009 2:22 PM
2 depends on how many wil show up after a series of meetings Oct 6, 2009 8:54 PM
3 Currently, what is the minimum number that constitutes a quorum right now? Sep 26, 2009 3:48 PM
That info needs to be included in this question so people can make an informed
decision. The selections are: 75, 125, and 175; what are these numbers based
on? Right now, too many important decisions are made with only a consensus
of a small group of people.
4 I do not know how many people actually go to the meetings but i do know not Sep 23, 2009 4:32 AM
very many young people are involved. If we set our quorum too high things may
not get done because we do not meet quorum.
5 at least Sep 20, 2009 9:59 AM
6 Need to know how many Tribal members there are and a percentage can be Sep 16, 2009 10:04 AM
indicated. In other Tribes, issues can be voted on by mail, you don't have to be
at the meeting to vote.
7 If the Kiowa Tribal membership realizes just how important it is to attend that Sep 15, 2009 6:27 PM
semi-annual KIC Meeting...then maybe the 75 is wrong...as it is, we barely get
at least 50 members now.
8 lack of fair representation, is misrepresentation Sep 12, 2009 1:09 AM
9 Find a way, such as this email survey, to let our people know that there is going Sep 11, 2009 2:31 PM
to be meetings. Find their/our mailing addresses and get letters to them. Form
a committee that strictly is for contacting the Kiowa people and making them/us
aware of what is going on at our complex and with our futures.
10 No this is not needed as it was stated by Judge Lujan in the CFR Court on July Sep 10, 2009 11:23 PM
7, 2009 as long as there is 1 KIC Member in the audience that constitutes a
QUORUM of the KIC. Why change this to a specific number of attendees when
they don't show up now? If tribal members were interested in attending they
would and should be there. If it is changed then you would never have enough
members in attendance to make a QUORUM and then there would be no
meetings of the KIC whatsoever.
11 With thousands of tribal members, we Should have more participation from the Sep 9, 2009 1:12 PM
people
12 It actually needs to be more, but you know that will never happen. The only way Sep 8, 2009 10:20 AM
is if you have the council meeting while they are giving out the elder payments.
13 The higher the number the more likely the attendance will be (not just Carnegie, Sep 8, 2009 4:34 AM
and the surrounding communities) because there needs to be more of an active
audience to discuss a nation views and issues.
14 It is difficult to get people to vote which makes changes that need to be made Sep 7, 2009 9:05 AM
more difficult to happen. If the quorum number was lowered then it might help
address this issue.
15 What is meant by conduct business? We can't vote off the floor, only by ballot. Sep 5, 2009 8:55 AM
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19. Page 2, Q4. The quorum or number of eligible voting-age Kiowas who need to be in attendance at the annual
Kiowa/Tribal Council meeting to conduct business shall be:
16 Again, that depends on the total number of citizens and how the meetings are Sep 4, 2009 7:34 PM
called.
17 It should actually be more, but try to find that many Kiowas interested in going to Sep 4, 2009 3:50 PM
a council meeting.
Page 2, Q5. Shall one of the constitutional powers of the Kiowa Nation Council be to set policy for the Kiowa
government?
1 Legislative Branch Oct 6, 2009 8:54 PM
2 What is the "kiowa nation council"? Is that a new term we adopted for a Sep 18, 2009 11:14 AM
committee that already exists or is it a new council? Is it the legislative branch of
the proposed government structure?
3 not at this time. Sep 16, 2009 10:04 AM
4 I thought that POWER was already in place....under the Power clause...?? It is Sep 15, 2009 6:27 PM
just that every KBC chooses to ignore it.
5 By what authority and what is the basis of their reasoning? Sep 12, 2009 1:09 AM
6 Yes, there needs to be policy and procedures implemented so that the KBC Sep 10, 2009 11:23 PM
must follow just like any other entity in order for them not to be allowed to over
step their boundaries. They are now being paid a salary therefore, they need
Job Descriptions in place as well just like employees.
7 This should be decided by a vote Sep 9, 2009 1:12 PM
8 Again only if they adhere to it. How many issues and such have been passed by Sep 8, 2009 10:20 AM
the KIC and they still aren't enforced?
9 Setting policy is too vague, and would lead to perpetual conflict with elected Sep 5, 2009 4:21 AM
leaders.
10 Ultimate authority should rest with the Kiowa citizenry. Sep 4, 2009 7:34 PM
11 Only if you have a major number of people voting and not just a few members. Sep 4, 2009 3:50 PM
12 Its working fine now, more power more money for what! Sep 4, 2009 3:35 PM
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20. Page 3, Q1. Shall elected Kiowa representatives be residents of a specific geographic/demographic area, such as
(1) the Hobart-Gotebo-Mountain View area, the (2) Lawton (Comanche County) area, the (3) Carnegie area, the (4)
Oklahoma City-Norman-Tulsa area, the (5) Anadarko-Stecker-Apache-Ft. Cobb area, and (...
1 I would consider a formula based on population as to how many reps should Oct 23, 2009 2:38 PM
each district have, or consider two reps from each district. 6 is too small for a
legislative body. Your elected officers should NOT be a part of the legislative
body unless you make the Vice Chair to preside over the Legislature WITHOUT
VOTE and Secretary would be elected to serve the KNC. Remember, the US
does not elect a Secretary.
2 yes, but all should be eligible Oct 6, 2009 8:56 PM
3 Definitely a wider range of representation of demographics should be included. Sep 26, 2009 4:02 PM
4) Oklahoma City/Norman metro area should be its own. Tulsa might be
considered part of group 6 (absentee) depending on the percentage of tribal
members that reside in that area.
4 they should know their area better than someone else that doesnt live there or Sep 20, 2009 10:03 AM
hasnt lived there
5 More representation, more fairness for all. Sep 16, 2009 10:08 AM
6 Mainly, because the Kiowa tribal membership are spread out....all over the Sep 15, 2009 6:31 PM
Nation.
7 Our people are still nomadic and are moving out to other regins. We are still Sep 11, 2009 2:40 PM
enrolled Kiowas and need to be represented by
8 It's not needed. The KBC are the duly elected tribal officials to represent all Sep 10, 2009 11:34 PM
KIOWAS'. There is no need to split us up anymore than they way Kiowa People
already think. It just will cause more jealously within the Towns. They already
don't like each other example Anadarko Kiowas vs Carnegie Kiowas. I know you
all know what I'm talking about. You've heard this as well as me.
9 Again should be like the US govt. If more Kiowas reside in this area, then they Sep 8, 2009 10:22 AM
should have more representatives.
10 This would also be a big step to involve Kiowas that do not live in Andadarko, Sep 7, 2009 10:06 AM
Carnegie area and bring in ideas and opinions that would serve all Kiowas.
11 When you say Kiowa representatives, does this mean the Kiowa Business Sep 5, 2009 9:01 AM
Committee Members, or just tribal council members who's duties will be what?
12 I'd consider some other means of division since some, who live in one area may Sep 5, 2009 4:35 AM
want to affiliate with their home area or area where their family was originally
from. Give people a choice as to what area or division that they want to affiliate
with or have no geographic provision at all. You might have 2 very good
candidates from one area and this rule would prevent 2 good candidates from
both being able to run. I;d be against "districts" per se.
13 The representatives should mirror the traditional clan system of the Kiowa. Sep 4, 2009 7:37 PM
14 It should be based on the number of Kiowa in that area. Base it on the House of Sep 4, 2009 3:58 PM
Representatives. More reps for an area with more Kiowas.
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21. Page 3, Q2. Shall minimum age requirements for elected district representatives (not Officers) be 25 years of
age?
1 21 Oct 6, 2009 8:56 PM
2 A little younger may be better, especially if we want the younger generation to Sep 23, 2009 4:40 AM
get experience with our government.
3 Discriminates against young leaders who may have obtained college degrees. Sep 16, 2009 10:08 AM
4 what is the basis of the reasoning? Sep 12, 2009 1:14 AM
5 The younger people have a more modern view of what is going on in society and Sep 11, 2009 2:40 PM
are more educated. They should be allowed to represent and should be college
educated before being placed in that district representative spot.
6 Legal age to vote in accordance to the KIOWA CONSTITUTION states 18 years Sep 10, 2009 11:34 PM
or older. Therefore, 18 year olds should be eligible to run as well.
7 There should never be an age requirement for any office or board. Sep 8, 2009 10:22 AM
8 18 Sep 8, 2009 4:38 AM
9 21 and with some type of education. Sep 5, 2009 9:01 AM
10 35 Sep 4, 2009 7:37 PM
11 We have bright and educated Kiowas. Nothing should be based on age. No Sep 4, 2009 3:58 PM
more age limitations.
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22. Page 3, Q3. Shall all elected Kiowa district representatives be required to have a high school diploma or GED?
1 education is important Oct 6, 2009 8:56 PM
2 Absouletly Oct 3, 2009 10:43 PM
3 Yes, as a basic requirement. I'd prefer our reps to have at least a bachelor Sep 26, 2009 4:02 PM
degree. Kiowas do not have a shortage of qualified, highly-educated members.
We need to utilize those individuals. If a higher standards for candidacy is
applied, potential candidates would have more confidence in the potential,
ability, and vision of the committee/council.
4 yes, in this day and age, an education is much more important to the knowledge Sep 20, 2009 10:03 AM
and skills that a government needs to have. many of the elders that have passed
on have really expressed the need for a good education. they saw that it was
important
5 At the very least they should have this basic level of education. Sep 16, 2009 10:08 AM
6 They really should have some level of College education. Sep 11, 2009 2:40 PM
7 If the constitution is revised to allow this district representative which I'm against Sep 10, 2009 11:34 PM
then yes they should have either HSDegree or GED then also depending on
their duties, power or authority they should have a College Degree too.
8 I know many educated people who don't have any common sense. And some of Sep 8, 2009 10:22 AM
the brightest and smartest people don't necessarily have a degree.
9 Knowledge is important to lead people. Sep 8, 2009 4:38 AM
10 Education is crucial to keep the Tribe moving in a forward positive direction. Sep 7, 2009 10:06 AM
11 Anybody knows that life experiences are sometimes more valuable than Sep 4, 2009 3:58 PM
education. I know a lot of people with educations, but they have zero common
sense.
12 Yes of course! Sep 4, 2009 3:36 PM
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23. Page 3, Q4. Shall elected Kiowa Executive Officers be required to have a bachelor's or higher degree from an
accredited college? (Examples: Governor-Lieutenant Governor, President-Vice President, Principal Chief-Sub
Chief)
1 both yes and no, both areas have qualified people Oct 6, 2009 8:56 PM
2 Absolutely! Sep 26, 2009 4:02 PM
3 I'd be more at ease as a Citizen of the Kiowa Tribe of Oklahoma knowing that all Sep 23, 2009 4:40 AM
my elected officers are college graduates. You just learn a lot more about this
activity when in college.
4 Same as above, it's very important to have someone in a higher position to have Sep 20, 2009 10:03 AM
a well-rounded education.
5 "Ever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth." They should be Sep 12, 2009 1:14 AM
ethical,with a length of office that would allow the checks and balances of
'workable time frames' to come into play.
6 A must!!!! Sep 11, 2009 2:40 PM
7 Yes they should and also have had some training in Tribal Government Classes Sep 10, 2009 11:34 PM
too. Or Newly elected officers should be required to take a class or training in
Tribal Government, Tribal Law, Ordinances etc.
8 Again an emphatic no. Same reason as number 4. Sep 8, 2009 10:22 AM
9 However, they must have at least a high school diploma. There are capable Sep 8, 2009 4:38 AM
individuals to lead a people's just by common sense.
10 If feasible Sep 7, 2009 9:06 AM
11 Are we going to do away with the present Chairman, Vice, Secretary, Treasurer Sep 5, 2009 9:01 AM
& 4 business committee members?
12 but this could shut out some good leaders who have not finished their degrees. Sep 5, 2009 4:35 AM
13 Same people will be running our tribe forever. Most Kiowas with educations Sep 4, 2009 3:58 PM
aren't around here.
14 that or yrs with experience Sep 4, 2009 3:36 PM
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24. Page 3, Q5. Shall the position of Treasurer require a degree completed in Accounting, OR 5-year work experience
from a financial decision-making capacity within a corporation or civil service?
1 knowledge and work experience is important Oct 6, 2009 8:56 PM
2 The Treasurer should have a degree in Accounting AND work experience in the Sep 26, 2009 4:02 PM
field. Work experience is not a substitute for educational training.
3 With the amount of "embezzlement" you hear from our tribal Treasurers, I think it Sep 23, 2009 4:40 AM
would be a good idea, however, how many Kiowa Accounting Majors do we
really have?
4 Of course, finance skills and knowledge of current standards is a must! Sep 20, 2009 10:03 AM
5 That would be real nice...in the real world...but, that kind of person hasn't come Sep 15, 2009 6:31 PM
about....yet. If a HONEST - Tribal member can read and write and have some
common sense...and add least know how to count...that should be enough....!
6 Bachelors Degree or Higher with at least 2 years work experience in Tribal Sep 10, 2009 11:34 PM
Government Financial Accounting or Tribal Entity Financial Offices.
7 Again no. Sep 8, 2009 10:22 AM
8 At least 12 hours or accounting or the equivalent in experience and Sep 8, 2009 4:38 AM
recommendation from outside sources.
9 Do not necessarily agree their degree has to be in accounting. Any degree and Sep 7, 2009 10:06 AM
solid work experience would suffice.
10 If feasible Sep 7, 2009 9:06 AM
11 and be bonded, and with a thorough background check. Sep 5, 2009 9:01 AM
12 They need some kind of accounting background. Again common sense is more Sep 4, 2009 3:58 PM
valuable than education.
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25. Page 4, Q1. Shall terms of office for all Kiowa representatives be increased to four (4) years with routine elections
occurring every two years on a staggered basis?
1 elected two years at a time staggered Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 A four year term is too long. If the reps are doing well in their positions and are Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
effective, they will not have any problems getting re-elected.
3 but if they prove to be inept, then they need to be removed before their time is up Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
4 The Tribe needs to be able to utilize governmental 'time frames' and nothing gets Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
researched or followed through on in 2 years.
5 The more time that our representatives have, allows them to show more results Sep 11, 2009 2:48 PM
and prove that they are working for us. More time in office allows them to apply
their ideas.
6 No way! The way the elections have been going. We can't afford to have the Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
same people in that long.
7 if someone is really awful at the job 4 years is a long time to wait to get someone Sep 7, 2009 10:18 AM
new.
8 3 year term Sep 4, 2009 2:03 PM
Page 4, Q2. Shall Kiowa elections be changed to include a primary election and a run-off election, if necessary?
1 only on executive officers Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 Doesn't seem necessary. Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
3 thats not necessary. but if a run-off election is necessary, then it should happen Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
4 That takes a foundation of funding and the Tribe does not have a structures of Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
management already in play to support it.
5 Only if there are several people running for thee same elected position. Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
6 Yes, so that it does not make potential elections ambiguous to the kiowa people. Sep 8, 2009 4:48 AM
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26. Page 4, Q3. Shall Kiowas found guilty of a felony in a court of competent jurisdiction involving misuse of money,
dishonesty, a crime involving serious bodily injury or death, and/or sexual misconduct?
1 felonies are serious Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 NEVER. Our standards are too low as it is. We certainly have many Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
outstanding Kiowas who can fill these vital positions who have not been
convicted of a felony!
3 i know some can be changed, but in a higher government position, stress can Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
happen and who knows what will happen if someone regresses
4 "Competent jurisdiction"? Define it. We have no court system, and the court of Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
indian offenses does not cover the needs the Kiowas currently have. You would
have to restate the question.
5 But only as a representative not as an officer Sep 9, 2009 1:17 PM
6 Why ten years? Is that how long it takes for their horns to disappear or wear Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
down?
7 Unless it is specifically related to the job description itself, most have paid Sep 8, 2009 4:48 AM
society for their crimes against society, so it would be ok to lead a country. Bill
Clinton received sexual favors from an intern, he still managed to keep his job.
His "blow job" did not have relation to running a country. Think about it.
However, if a felon must sign on a bank account, then no it would not be right for
someone found guilty of embezzling deal with cash flows, etc.
8 Nope sorry, if they were convicted in a court, there was substantial evidence Sep 7, 2009 10:18 AM
they were guilty. While I believe in rehabilitation, I believe it is a rarity not the
rule.
9 Need to clarify what is meant by dishonesty - perjury? bad check, etc? Sep 5, 2009 4:38 AM
10 that already exists in the constitution Sep 4, 2009 7:44 PM
Page 4, Q4. Shall the term of office from a special election called to fill a vacated position be considered full-term,
regardless of length?
1 only to finish said term Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 no, it should be in accordance with the remainder of the term of the person who Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
was removed. The regularly scheduled elections will determine when terms
begin and end.
3 until someone permanent can fill the seat Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
4 too subjective Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
5 If they are filling a position, the term should only be as long as the position was Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
originally set.
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27. Page 4, Q5. Shall Kiowa district representatives be elected only by those Kiowa voters who reside in the
representative's district?
1 exception-absentee voters Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 since the candidate will be representing their own district, it should be voted Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
upon by Kiowas in that district.
3 some folks live in other states and that would be hard; it would make it unworthy Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
to even vote if this has a restriction
4 read my lips....NO District REPRESENTATIVES..!! Sep 15, 2009 6:35 PM
5 Seriously, is this question being asked in reflection of the current geographics of Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
the voting Kiowa public? Clarify.
6 People move and we as Kiowas should be allowed to elect all that are running. Sep 11, 2009 2:48 PM
7 Sure, then they would better know the character and qualifications of the elected Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
person.
8 Yes to keep it fair, otherwise the election could be influenced by only those with Sep 7, 2009 10:18 AM
friends and family in another district and defeat the purpose of having area reps.
9 I disagree with the district system. We should have a traditional clan system of Sep 4, 2009 7:44 PM
representation.
Page 4, Q6. Shall the Powers of the Kiowa Nation Council remain unchanged?
1 should be determined by vote Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 ? question too broad. Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
3 I'm sure there are some changes to be made there. Sep 23, 2009 5:04 AM
4 i have no idea, wierd question Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
5 don't know enough of the current powers. also why do you keep refering to us Sep 16, 2009 10:16 AM
as the Kiowa Nation?
6 They only need to be enforced. Sep 15, 2009 6:35 PM
7 Too broad and undefined. Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
8 Everything needs revision. Laws and times change, so should the Powers. Sep 11, 2009 2:48 PM
9 I am undecided really as I would like to re-read over this area again. Sep 7, 2009 10:18 AM
10 They should be specifically described to avoid conflict with other branches. Sep 5, 2009 4:38 AM
11 They should be increased. Sep 4, 2009 7:44 PM
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28. Page 4, Q7. Shall Kiowa Election Commission members be elected only by those Kiowa who reside in the same
geographic district as the candidate?
1 need to know the candidate Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 ? Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
3 Same reason as above. Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
4 The question is redundant. Sep 4, 2009 7:44 PM
Page 4, Q8. Shall all elected Kiowa representatives be entitled to a salary?
1 they will give more attention to office Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 No. A stipend for necessary travel and per diem is more appropriate. The duties Sep 26, 2009 4:13 PM
of the office should determine this question.
3 what kind of question is this? if you vote for someone to work in a government Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
position, why wouldn't you want to provide a salary?
4 Taro laws? Tribal employees? Accountability? Insurability of Kiowa business Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
concerns against "employee theft or damage"? Bondability? Legal implications
and considerations? Sovereign immunity?" What is the intent of the question?"
5 If you have a college education and are using it to help our people, one should Sep 11, 2009 2:48 PM
be compensated for doing so.
6 But only if the tribe can afford it Sep 9, 2009 1:17 PM
7 Only if they adhere to basic personnel policies involving attendance. Don't pay Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
someone who isn't coming in to work.
8 Compensatable, but not extravagant. Sep 8, 2009 4:48 AM
9 Something to help with travel expenses and as an incentive to remain involved Sep 7, 2009 10:18 AM
and active.
10 We salary the KBC members now. What do they do to earn it? Do they clock Sep 5, 2009 9:23 AM
in? Are they there from 8:00 to 4:30PM? Are they still getting mileage and per
diem?
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29. Page 4, Q9. Shall a candidate for elected office be declared ineligible if an immediate family member is already an
elected Kiowa representative (Example: a brother, sister, mother, father, or lineal grandparent) or a relative in the
first degree (Example: first cousin, aunt, or uncle)?
1 could cause conflict of inter-favoritism Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 If they are good for the job then they are good for the job. Again brother, sister, Sep 23, 2009 5:04 AM
mother, father, first cousin, aunt, uncle are just english terms. In Kiowa we know
we have lots of "brothers" "sisters" "mothers" etc. Most of us are related to
others.
3 this is a hard question, kiowas are related to many people. and, some folks Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
cause division. and some can do a damn good job.
4 Tribe? Two separate questions. Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
5 don't forget the niece, nephew either. Sep 10, 2009 11:45 PM
6 Are you kidding me? Aren't we all related somewhere down the line? Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
7 My argument would be that if it did occur, the people are the ones that elected Sep 8, 2009 4:48 AM
these individuals. They did not do this directly themselves.
8 I don't think this should be an immediate cause for not being elected, but is an Sep 7, 2009 10:18 AM
area to cause concern. It should be noted and have an Ethics Commitee
assigned to review these situations on a case by case basis.
9 You might have 2 strong candidates who are related. This rule would prevent Sep 5, 2009 4:38 AM
more than 1 person running who were related which has not been a problem in
the past. Why shut out someone for no fault of their own, as it seems that we
should have a more inclusive system not one that excludes candidate eligibility.
10 Again, I advocate for the clan system of representation. Sep 4, 2009 7:44 PM
11 that's a difficult decision. most kiowas are related some how. Sep 4, 2009 12:32 PM
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30. Page 4, Q10. Shall tribal members who live outside of Oklahoma be entitled to the same Legislative
representation as tribal members who live within the KCA reservation?
1 vote only Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM
2 I cannot answer this question. are we talking of people within the KCA Sep 23, 2009 5:04 AM
"reservation" or within the state of Oklahoma. I currently live in Norman which is
outside the KCA reservation. Rewrite this question because it does not apply to
one who is a tribal member living in the state who lives outside the KCA
reservation.
3 there should be a representative for those outside folks Sep 20, 2009 10:12 AM
4 OF COURSE..!! Sep 15, 2009 6:35 PM
5 That is BIA jargon. Really? Civil Rights do come into play, even for Kiowas. Sep 12, 2009 1:25 AM
How can we disagree with the selling of Ft Sill if we just continue to use it as the
"play book"?
6 Forced Assimilation and the increased Kiowas with Higher Educations, do move Sep 11, 2009 2:48 PM
outside of Oklahoma. We are still Kiowa.
7 If it is changed then yes they would need one in their areas. This is all kinda Sep 10, 2009 11:45 PM
crazy to change to represenation because not all KIOWAS live in the same
states. You need to look at it like this. Are you gonna have representation for
them by each state or district of the state, town they reside in? You'll have so
many reps. all over the US. Besides as I said earlier, the KBC is our
representation on issues, concerns and should listen to the people with problems
and try to ensure they are being treated correctly and properly in accordance to
guidelines in place with programs. I myself, appreciated being able to go to the
current KBC with my issues, informing them and they listen to my
complaint/appeal new it was'nt handled properly and made recommendation to
to correct a wrong. AHO!
8 Again it depends on the census count. Sep 8, 2009 10:30 AM
9 Of course, of the people, by the people, and for the people. Harmony, solidarity, Sep 8, 2009 4:48 AM
and collectivism traits.
10 Given that a great number of Kiowa must seek employment outside Oklahoma, it Sep 4, 2009 7:44 PM
is unfair to exclude them.
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31. Page 5, Q1. Should the constitution specifically provide protections guaranteeing employees cannot be
terminated without proof of good cause?
1 eliminates pressure from others Oct 6, 2009 9:00 PM
2 Termination of employees is based on their specific job evaluations, not the Sep 26, 2009 4:36 PM
constitution.
3 shouel be outlined in the personnel policies of the tribe. Sep 16, 2009 10:19 AM
4 Are we asking if the Tribe should follow Taro? Be more specific. Sep 12, 2009 1:29 AM
5 To many Recalls. This would/may give justification. Sep 11, 2009 2:52 PM
6 After what happened to the Kiowa Gaming Commissions' Staff this year Yes! Sep 10, 2009 11:53 PM
This should also be revised in all Kiowa Entities Personnel Handbook to protect
the employee if it is unjust, undocumented or not warranted. Tribal politics can
be a killer and not good for employees. They should not be in fear of losing their
job once new officials take office or re-appointed.
7 Just enforce the personnel policies and this will not be a problem. Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM
8 Isn't this in effect now? But whenever a new business committee comes in they Sep 5, 2009 9:26 AM
almost always clean house. This is a good idea, if it can be enforced.
9 This could lead to all kinds of problems and poor employees being kept when Sep 5, 2009 4:40 AM
they are not performing their job. A personnel policy would accomplish the same
thing. Who is to say what "good cause" is anyway? This would lead to unending
conflict and battles over whether someone was properly terminated.
10 Employment issues should not be a part of the constitution. Perhaps, a nill of Sep 4, 2009 7:47 PM
rights is more appropriate.
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32. Page 5, Q2. Should the Tribe discharge an employee or seek retaliatory actions, such as "Whistle
Blowing," against an employee who makes public any information of misconduct by officials/tribal leaders
or employees of the Tribe.
1 only if there is proof Oct 6, 2009 9:00 PM
2 absolutely now. If it weren't for people who stand up for what is right, things Sep 26, 2009 4:36 PM
would never change. The tribe should have protections for people who report
misconduct, so they don't fear/suffer from retaliation. Misconduct is what
continues to keep our tribe from progressing.
3 because, sometimes actions get done when it goes public. But, if this individual Sep 20, 2009 10:19 AM
continues to leak out more information once a matter has been settled, then
disciplinary actions might need to take place
4 it woudl depend on the information and how obtained. Did the employee have Sep 16, 2009 10:19 AM
the understanding that some information is considered private and not for public
use or convey information for the best of the tribe?
5 Very unprofessional question. What are you asking? Sep 12, 2009 1:29 AM
6 Depends on what is being "whistle Blown" against. If something is detrimental to Sep 11, 2009 2:52 PM
our people, it should be pointed out and taken care of.
7 officials, tribal leaders and employees of the Tribe and other Tribal Entities Sep 10, 2009 11:53 PM
should be looking out for the best interest of the Tribe and the Kiowa People.
Therefore, if an employee knows of any miscondut and knows that it is wrong
they should feel safe in knowing that if they disclose the information publicly or to
other tribal officials that they will not lose their job.
8 Only if the tribe is looking to go to the supreme court again in a court case. Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM
9 If I am reading this question correctly? No there should be a "whistle blowing" Sep 7, 2009 10:22 AM
protection policy for employees that do report misconduct. Again an Ethics
Committee should be in place to review and rule on these type of issues.
10 WHAT!!! They should be commended for whistle blowing on an official/tribal Sep 5, 2009 9:26 AM
leader or employee for misconduct or wrong doing. Why would you want to keep
something like this a secret?
11 The constitution is not the appopriate vehicle for labor issues. Sep 4, 2009 7:47 PM
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33. Page 5, Q3. Should Tribal Member be entitled to review their personal records maintained by the Kiowa
Tribe/Nation which are not otherwise protected by the Privacy Act or other Ordinances of the Tribe.
1 only the powers that be Oct 6, 2009 9:00 PM
2 Yes. records not protected by the Privacy Act or other ordinances of the tribe Sep 26, 2009 4:36 PM
should be transparent and open for review.
3 All people have the right to view what is on their record no matter where you Sep 20, 2009 10:19 AM
work at.
4 Caution, each Kiowa still has individual rights. Sep 12, 2009 1:29 AM
5 Makes sure their records are being updated and corrected, if needed. Sep 11, 2009 2:52 PM
6 and should be able to get copies made of the information as well if needed. Sep 10, 2009 11:53 PM
7 Only their own. Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM
8 Could be something untrue or damaging in there. Sep 5, 2009 9:26 AM
Page 5, Q4. Should the Tribe not infringe upon the religious or cultural beliefs or prohibit the free exercise thereof
of tribal members, including the right to possess and use peyote for religious purposes when used by members
of the Native American Church.
1 religion and tribal customs should be observed Oct 6, 2009 9:00 PM
2 this question is worded where it is unclear & confusing. Sep 26, 2009 4:36 PM
3 I believe there was a case involving the Sun Dance in the 90's. I also know Sep 23, 2009 5:19 AM
there has been history of our people disagreeing over religion such as Sun
Dance, Ghost Dance, Peyote, Christianity, the Bundles, and even smaller family
doings. some of these are not around because a few of our people did not
believe we should practice it as well as the U.S. government saying we cannot
do this. I do not think it is right when I have been taught by our people that I can
choose to worship as I want as long as I believe in one "god", yet they can hold a
case against someone (i.e. the Sun Dance incident) saying that we can't worship
that way. It is hypocritical and We as Kiowa people have been known to worship
in many ways. Hopefully our Kiowa government will never have that type of
power. Kiowa government is not exactly our old traditional form of government
so in that case they should not have a say. Basically let the Christians,
Peyotists, Bundle Keepers, and others do what they need to do and the Kiowa
government should stay out of their business unless they are there to help. I feel
strongly about this issue.
4 Since when did this become the tribes responibility...Back Off...! Sep 15, 2009 6:37 PM
5 Individual rights and the free agency of each individual is there God given right. Sep 12, 2009 1:29 AM
To act and choose for oneself, to be self directed, to be a contributor to the
'whole' The Tribe, is not an ambiguous figure head, it is made up of the
collective governing group. Never an infallible situation.
6 This is one of those inalienable rights. Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM
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34. Page 5, Q4. Should the Tribe not infringe upon the religious or cultural beliefs or prohibit the free exercise thereof
of tribal members, including the right to possess and use peyote for religious purposes when used by members
of the Native American Church.
7 The Tribe should not infringe on these religious rights or beliefs. Sep 7, 2009 10:22 AM
8 The question is not worded well. The constitution should address broad civil Sep 4, 2009 7:47 PM
rights issues.
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