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The Republic of Letters
                            CCR 633 ::: 3/29/11




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Structure and Context



Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Kate:


               On the one hand, we do get a historicization of the federation of
               working class writers and some wonderful examples of the writing
               produced by federation groups. On the other, I kept feeling like
               there were so many other important aspects to the project that I
               wanted more information about. This made me reflect on my
               expectations as an academic reader—that I expect a particular
               genre to do particular things. What are some of the tensions that
               happen when writers break genre expectations? Breaking genre
               can be generative and exciting but there are also consequences. In
               regards to this text, what is gained and what is loss in the choices
               made in creating the text?




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Rachel:

               I find the examples of work that are laid out within this  text
               interesting as compared to the text of a zine.  While both texts
               push against the status quo with awareness, does one do it more
               effectively than the other?  In many ways, it seems like the
               literature throughout this text is very much mimicking that which
               it wants to challenge, it that it stays within genera that is valued in
               the world of publishing, and does not push into the vast array of
               possibility that zines do.  But then again, if these community
               published texts are more widely read, are they more effective?




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
“Writing” as the work
                      of publication:



Wednesday, March 30, 2011
“We remain locally organised and federated because
               this seems one way of continuing to work together and
               share and develop skills, rather than to pass work over
               to others who will edit, illustrate, package and market it
               in a way that the writer cannot control”
                                                                    - 19




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Writing does have a very particular magic to it. The idea
               that you can, with very little equipment, set down
               something which only you have made, and which can
               give meaning to who you are and what has happened to
               you; and the idea that this can be reproduced in
               thousands of copies and come back to you in a form
               which can help you recognise yourself in a new way, be
               recognised by others as you wish to be recognised, and
               enable you to live without the normal constraints of
               waged work, i.e. make money... all that is, it must be
               admitted, a bit magic!
                                                                      - 48



Wednesday, March 30, 2011
agency and bifurcation




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
It has taken labour and thought to move away from the
               forms of work of the publishing industry - one of
               whose characteristics is the division of labour to the
               point where responsibility for the shaping of the whole
               work gets removed from the writer, dispersed and lost.
                                                                     - 51
                                                            (See also 52)




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
What are the technological factors in this equation? How do they
              collude/collide with aspects of rhetorical agency?




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
When the community press started in the late 1960’s it
               did so very much on the basis of ‘we must control the
               means of production ourselves.’ The new offset litho
               technology has made it possible for many people to
               learn basic printing and plate-making on small A4 and
               A3 machines. Similarly, access to an electric typewriter
               with a carbon ribbon makes elementary typesetting
               easy.
                                                                     - 61




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
LaToya:
               If this local, process- and cultural production-oriented model of
               publishing represents a more democratic process, and it is
               achieved by creating more alternatives to dominant modes, what
               are the rhetorical implications of such action? In other words, if we
               are not “arguing against the current system,” as we are accustomed
               to, in what ways can we use rhetoric [and technologies] to create
               more alternatives and spaces that challenge Literature and the
               power/ authority that comes along with it?




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Rachel:

               What does it mean for community publishing to be utilizing a
               technological system that they are also pushing against?  Is this an
               ethical issue?




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Kate:

               How does the Federation of Working Writers act or not act as an
               imagined community? What is the value of in thinking about these
               writers as an imagined community?




Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Kate:

               [Duncombe] says he was a punk, he lived in the scene, and
               participated in zine subculture. Further, Duncombe is definitely
               trying to write in as non-academicy and a zine-respecting way as
               possible. In contrast, The Republic of Letters feels slightly more
               academic and theoretical at times, but nonetheless seems to me
               more like an authentic work of praxis. Did anyone else feel like
               this? Does this authenticity matter when we are talking about the
               democratic tendencies of communities of writers? Or, does the
               sense of authenticity stem more from the distinctions between
               zine subculture versus working class culture?




Wednesday, March 30, 2011

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Discussion Notes: Republic of Letters

  • 1. The Republic of Letters CCR 633 ::: 3/29/11 Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 3. Kate: On the one hand, we do get a historicization of the federation of working class writers and some wonderful examples of the writing produced by federation groups. On the other, I kept feeling like there were so many other important aspects to the project that I wanted more information about. This made me reflect on my expectations as an academic reader—that I expect a particular genre to do particular things. What are some of the tensions that happen when writers break genre expectations? Breaking genre can be generative and exciting but there are also consequences. In regards to this text, what is gained and what is loss in the choices made in creating the text? Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 4. Rachel: I find the examples of work that are laid out within this  text interesting as compared to the text of a zine.  While both texts push against the status quo with awareness, does one do it more effectively than the other?  In many ways, it seems like the literature throughout this text is very much mimicking that which it wants to challenge, it that it stays within genera that is valued in the world of publishing, and does not push into the vast array of possibility that zines do.  But then again, if these community published texts are more widely read, are they more effective? Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 5. “Writing” as the work of publication: Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 6. “We remain locally organised and federated because this seems one way of continuing to work together and share and develop skills, rather than to pass work over to others who will edit, illustrate, package and market it in a way that the writer cannot control” - 19 Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 7. Writing does have a very particular magic to it. The idea that you can, with very little equipment, set down something which only you have made, and which can give meaning to who you are and what has happened to you; and the idea that this can be reproduced in thousands of copies and come back to you in a form which can help you recognise yourself in a new way, be recognised by others as you wish to be recognised, and enable you to live without the normal constraints of waged work, i.e. make money... all that is, it must be admitted, a bit magic! - 48 Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 9. It has taken labour and thought to move away from the forms of work of the publishing industry - one of whose characteristics is the division of labour to the point where responsibility for the shaping of the whole work gets removed from the writer, dispersed and lost. - 51 (See also 52) Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 10. What are the technological factors in this equation? How do they collude/collide with aspects of rhetorical agency? Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 11. When the community press started in the late 1960’s it did so very much on the basis of ‘we must control the means of production ourselves.’ The new offset litho technology has made it possible for many people to learn basic printing and plate-making on small A4 and A3 machines. Similarly, access to an electric typewriter with a carbon ribbon makes elementary typesetting easy. - 61 Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 12. LaToya: If this local, process- and cultural production-oriented model of publishing represents a more democratic process, and it is achieved by creating more alternatives to dominant modes, what are the rhetorical implications of such action? In other words, if we are not “arguing against the current system,” as we are accustomed to, in what ways can we use rhetoric [and technologies] to create more alternatives and spaces that challenge Literature and the power/ authority that comes along with it? Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 13. Rachel: What does it mean for community publishing to be utilizing a technological system that they are also pushing against?  Is this an ethical issue? Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 14. Kate: How does the Federation of Working Writers act or not act as an imagined community? What is the value of in thinking about these writers as an imagined community? Wednesday, March 30, 2011
  • 15. Kate: [Duncombe] says he was a punk, he lived in the scene, and participated in zine subculture. Further, Duncombe is definitely trying to write in as non-academicy and a zine-respecting way as possible. In contrast, The Republic of Letters feels slightly more academic and theoretical at times, but nonetheless seems to me more like an authentic work of praxis. Did anyone else feel like this? Does this authenticity matter when we are talking about the democratic tendencies of communities of writers? Or, does the sense of authenticity stem more from the distinctions between zine subculture versus working class culture? Wednesday, March 30, 2011