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WP SOURCES                             On the books and on the ground
                                                                                                                Heather Ford
                              Cartoon by Carlos Latuff in the public domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wake_up_Egypt.png; Screenshot from Al Jazeera English
                                      Live TV http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/;ʼFile:Police in civilian cloth beating a protester in Cairo 1.pngʼ from Al Jazeera CC BY 3.0
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
1. the project
                   2. sources on the books
                   3. sources on the ground
                   4. some conclusions
                   5. design recommendations



Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<the project>




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Understanding sources/WikiSweeper

                   2011                            2012
   Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug

                          ethnographic research | user testing


                          development of SwiftRiver



    by:                   in collaboration with:    funded by:



Tuesday, May 1, 2012
problems:
                1. collaboratively track news sources
                2. find reliable sources in unfamiliar
                media environments
                3. confusion around the reliability of
                social media sources



Tuesday, May 1, 2012
design goal:
                build a system to help Wikipedians
                and/or other knowledge workers to
                discover, manage and verify (social
                media) sources during rapidly evolving
                events


Tuesday, May 1, 2012
research goal:
                  discover how (social media) sources
                  are chosen, managed and verified in
                  rapidly evolving WP articles



Tuesday, May 1, 2012
</the project>
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<sources_on_the_books>




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
WP:SOURCE (or “Verifiability not truth”)




                       xkcd
                                       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester.png CC BY NC by xkcd

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)




                       book   +   author   +   publisher




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)

       • Number of people involved          Specific to news reporting:


       • Number of citations in citation   • identity of the author
         indexes
                                           • specificity and depth
       • type of article
                                           • verified
       • “published” status
                                           • circular sourcing
       • primary, secondary or tertiary
         sources
                                           • context


                                           • reputation


Tuesday, May 1, 2012
WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)

          Primary sources             Secondary sources                                  Tertiary sources
         eye witness accounts          second hand accounts
                                                                                       summarize primary and
      directly involved in an event   one step removed from an
                                                                                         secondary sources
                                                event

                      diary                                                                      encyclopedia
                                             review article
                 work of art                                                                   other compendia
                                             journal article
               political decision                                                                  textbook

                                                                     Reliably published tertiary
       Can be used but only with                                      sources can be helpful in
                                         Articles may make an
       care. Any interpretation of                                  providing broad summaries
                                      analytic or evaluative claim
        primary source material                                      of topics that involve many
                                      only if it has been published
           requires a reliable                                         primary and secondary
                                          by a reliable source
           secondary source                                         sources, esp. when sources
                                                                        contradict each other.



                                                           https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:PSTS#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
context is critical
          Primary sources             Secondary sources             Tertiary sources
         eye witness accounts          second hand accounts
                                                                   summarize primary and
      directly involved in an event   one step removed from an
                                                                     secondary sources
                                                event
                       diary                                            encyclopedia
                                            review article
                  work of art                                         other compendia
                                            journal article
                political decision                                        textbook

                                                                  Reliably published tertiary
     Can be used but only with                                    sources can be helpful in
                                   Articles may make an analytic
     care. Any interpretation of                                  providing broad summaries of
                                   or evaluative claim only if it
     primary source material                                      topics that involve many
                                   has been published by a
     requires a reliable secondary                                primary and secondary
                                   reliable source
     source                                                       sources, esp when sources
                                                                  contradict each other.




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
context is critical
          Primary sources             Secondary sources             Tertiary sources
         eye witness accounts          second hand accounts
                                                                   summarize primary and
      directly involved in an event   one step removed from an
                                                                     secondary sources
                                                event
                       diary                                            encyclopedia
                                            review article
                  work of art                                         other compendia
                                            journal article
                political decision                                        textbook
                             journalism                           Reliably published tertiary
     Can be used but only with                                    sources can be helpful in
                                   Articles may make an analytic
     care. Any interpretation of                                  providing broad summaries of
                                   or evaluative claim only if it
     primary source material                                      topics that involve many
                                   has been published by a
     requires a reliable secondary                                primary and secondary
                                   reliable source
     source                                                       sources, esp when sources
                                                                  contradict each other.




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
context is critical
          Primary sources             Secondary sources             Tertiary sources
         eye witness accounts          second hand accounts
                                                                   summarize primary and
      directly involved in an event   one step removed from an
                                                                     secondary sources
                                                event
                       diary                                            encyclopedia
                                            review article
                  work of art                                         other compendia
                                            journal article
                political decision                                        textbook
                             journalism                           Reliably published tertiary
     Can be used but only with                                    sources can be helpful in
                                   Articles may make an analytic
     care. Any interpretation of                                  providing broad summaries of
                                   or evaluative claim only if it
     primary source material                                      topics that involve many
                                   has been published by a
     requires a reliable secondary                                primary and secondary
                                   reliable source
     source                                                       sources, esp when sources
                                                                  contradict each other.


                                                                                Wikipedia
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
</sources_on_the_books>
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<sources_on_the_ground>




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
the source <original version+author>
                       of the page can play a significant role




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Created by The Egyptian Liberal at 13:26 UTC, 25 January, 2011




                                                 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Egyptian_revolution&oldid=409962868

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of
                 street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt
                 from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on
                 the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize.
                 The demonstrations and riots were reported to have
                 started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws,
                 unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation,
                 corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions
                 [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni

                 Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years.
                 While localised protests were already commonplace
                 over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all
                 over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by
                 Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football
                 supporters for a major demonstration)[1].

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of
                 street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt
                 from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on
                 the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize.
                 The demonstrations and riots were reported to have
                 started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws,
                 unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation,
                 corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions
                 [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni

                 Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years.
                 While localised protests were already commonplace
                 over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all
                 over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by
                 Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football
                 supporters for a major demonstration)[1].

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of
                 street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt
                 from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on
                 the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize.
                 The demonstrations and riots were reported to have
                 started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws,
                 unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation,
                 corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions
                 [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni

                 Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years.
                 While localised protests were already commonplace
                 over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all
                 over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by
                 Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football
                 supporters for a major demonstration)[1].

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of
                 street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt
                 from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on
                 the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize.
                 The demonstrations and riots were reported to have
                 started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws,
                 unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation,
                 corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions
                 [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni

                 Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years.
                 While localised protests were already commonplace
                 over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all
                 over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by
                 Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football
                 supporters for a major demonstration)[1].

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of
                 street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt
                 from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on
                 the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize.
                 The demonstrations and riots were reported to have
                 started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws,
                 unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation,
                 corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions
                 [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni

                 Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years.
                 While localised protests were already commonplace
                 over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all
                 over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by
                 Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football
                 supporters for a major demonstration)[1].

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of
                 street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt
                 from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on
                 the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize.
                 The demonstrations and riots were reported to have
                 started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws,
                 unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation,
                 corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions
                 [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni

                 Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years.
                 While localised protests were already commonplace
                 over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all
                 over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by
                 Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football
                 supporters for a major demonstration)[1].

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
http://bit.ly/ggdZt4
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Caption: Khaled Mohamed Saeed holding up a
              tiny, flailing, stone-faced Hosni Mubarak




                                   https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Khaled_Mohamed_Saeed_holding_up_a_tiny,_flailing,_stone-faced_Hosni_Mubarak.png

         File:Khaled Mohamed Saeed holding up a tiny, flailing, stone-faced Hosni Mubarak.png

                                                                                             From Latuff on Twitpic: https://twitpic.com/3swvnr
                                                                                                           (Cartoon) We are all Khaled Said #Jan25

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
User:The Egyptian Liberal




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Egyptian_Liberal 3 April, 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
File:Police in civilian cloth beating a protester in Cairo 1.png




                                                    Screenshot from Al Jazeera video: 29
                                                    January 2011 by the Egyptian Liberal


                                                       https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Police_in_civilian_cloth_beating_a_protester_in_Cairo_1.png
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Where the editors at
   I feel like I have been editing this page by myself for a while. This would have been cool if It was not about current
   event. The infos keep coming and honestly, I cant keep up. SO PLEASE HELP! -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:59,
   9 February 2011 (UTC)
         I agree that more editors need to come and help. However, and please don't be offended in any way, but I
         think you should definitely let other editors take the lead, Egyptian Liberal. Although you have done a
         PHENOMENAL job so far, due to the fact that this issue seems very near and dear to your heart, I feel that
         perhaps you should step back and let those editors who may have a more objective view take the lead, with you
         offering guidance and advice. I would also like to tell you that as a fellow Deist, I am not praying for your
         compatriots, but I am however keeping them and their struggle in mind. I wish you and all of Egypt the best of
         luck in achieving democracy. Edit: BTW I am not editing this article because I support the protesters vehemently
         and do not feel that I could maintain a NPOV Lilly (talk) 02:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

               I completely understand your concern. Some of my friends have hurt during the protests so I might too
               invested in the article. I have been trying to be as neutral as I much as I can I am still a human. That's why I
               asked for more editors to come and help to make sure I am not leaning on way or another. It helps that I
               blow most of anger on twitter and facebook when I get or read bad news. But I think I owe the people who
               are protesting and those who have passed away to tell their story from a NPOV. I am not nor can I be in
               Egypt due my university so that my way of standing up to Mubarak and tell him I shall not be silenced and I
               shall tell the world what happened. I would be happy not to take the lead. That why I asked Lihaas among
               others to add certain parts that I know I can not do. like the wael part due to my personal relationship with
               him. I hope you would join us in editing tho. If you maintain a NPOV, trust me, other editors will let you know
               (me included). P.S Always happy to meet another fellow Deist-- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:17, 10
               February 2011 (UTC)

                       I'm glad that you understand and I feel that you have been very neutral so far. You have been doing a
                       FABULOUS job, and I will try to help when I can. Perhaps I will try to write the timeline part. That
                       seems pretty hard to be biased on that page/section. You are right, we do owe those that have died.
                       We owe them a voice. Inshallah, no more people will die, and inshallah Mubarak will be out soon.
                       Salaam. Lilly (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

                                                                   from Archive 5 of the 2011 Egyptian Revolution Talk page

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
primary sources are gradually replaced
                       by secondary sources




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
11 February 16:04 UTC
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
11 February 16:04 UTC
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
the cite is not always the same as the
                       source




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
source: live television




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
source: live television




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
verification by sources on the ground

          Wael Ghonim is released and there is a question about him being identified as the
          Facebook admin of one of the protest groups:


       I just spoke to Wael and no, he is still the admin of the
       page -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 08:57, 8 February
       2011




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
tags provide cues/warnings regarding
                       the “in progress” nature of the article




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
</sources_on_the_ground>
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<conclusions>




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)




                       book   +   author   +          publisher




                                               William Beutler: http://thewikipedian.net/2011/04/01/wiki-fools/
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
WP:RS (or “reliable sources”)




                       book   +   author   +          publisher




                                               William Beutler: http://thewikipedian.net/2011/04/01/wiki-fools/
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
The blurring of boundaries along traditional RS lines:

   - blogs can host reliable secondary source authors
   - Twitter can provide access to an authentic primary
   source showing how individuals reacted
   - Twitter RT by someone like Andy Carvin can be
   seen as a secondary source



Tuesday, May 1, 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard

Tuesday, May 1, 2012
the cite is not always the same as the
                       source




                                                  Pic by Uwe Kils CC BY SA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceberg.jpg
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
</conclusions>
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
<design recommendations>




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
working from collaboratively managing sources
       already happening




Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
</design recommendations>
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
http://www.swiftly.org/beta/
Tuesday, May 1, 2012

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Wikipedia sources: On the books and on the ground

  • 1. WP SOURCES On the books and on the ground Heather Ford Cartoon by Carlos Latuff in the public domain https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wake_up_Egypt.png; Screenshot from Al Jazeera English Live TV http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/;ʼFile:Police in civilian cloth beating a protester in Cairo 1.pngʼ from Al Jazeera CC BY 3.0 Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 2. 1. the project 2. sources on the books 3. sources on the ground 4. some conclusions 5. design recommendations Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 4. Understanding sources/WikiSweeper 2011 2012 Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug ethnographic research | user testing development of SwiftRiver by: in collaboration with: funded by: Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 5. problems: 1. collaboratively track news sources 2. find reliable sources in unfamiliar media environments 3. confusion around the reliability of social media sources Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 6. design goal: build a system to help Wikipedians and/or other knowledge workers to discover, manage and verify (social media) sources during rapidly evolving events Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 7. research goal: discover how (social media) sources are chosen, managed and verified in rapidly evolving WP articles Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 11. WP:SOURCE (or “Verifiability not truth”) xkcd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Webcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester.png CC BY NC by xkcd Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 12. WP:RS (or “reliable sources”) book + author + publisher Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 13. WP:RS (or “reliable sources”) • Number of people involved Specific to news reporting: • Number of citations in citation • identity of the author indexes • specificity and depth • type of article • verified • “published” status • circular sourcing • primary, secondary or tertiary sources • context • reputation Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 14. WP:RS (or “reliable sources”) Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sources eye witness accounts second hand accounts summarize primary and directly involved in an event one step removed from an secondary sources event diary encyclopedia review article work of art other compendia journal article political decision textbook Reliably published tertiary Can be used but only with sources can be helpful in Articles may make an care. Any interpretation of providing broad summaries analytic or evaluative claim primary source material of topics that involve many only if it has been published requires a reliable primary and secondary by a reliable source secondary source sources, esp. when sources contradict each other. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:PSTS#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 15. context is critical Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sources eye witness accounts second hand accounts summarize primary and directly involved in an event one step removed from an secondary sources event diary encyclopedia review article work of art other compendia journal article political decision textbook Reliably published tertiary Can be used but only with sources can be helpful in Articles may make an analytic care. Any interpretation of providing broad summaries of or evaluative claim only if it primary source material topics that involve many has been published by a requires a reliable secondary primary and secondary reliable source source sources, esp when sources contradict each other. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 16. context is critical Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sources eye witness accounts second hand accounts summarize primary and directly involved in an event one step removed from an secondary sources event diary encyclopedia review article work of art other compendia journal article political decision textbook journalism Reliably published tertiary Can be used but only with sources can be helpful in Articles may make an analytic care. Any interpretation of providing broad summaries of or evaluative claim only if it primary source material topics that involve many has been published by a requires a reliable secondary primary and secondary reliable source source sources, esp when sources contradict each other. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 17. context is critical Primary sources Secondary sources Tertiary sources eye witness accounts second hand accounts summarize primary and directly involved in an event one step removed from an secondary sources event diary encyclopedia review article work of art other compendia journal article political decision textbook journalism Reliably published tertiary Can be used but only with sources can be helpful in Articles may make an analytic care. Any interpretation of providing broad summaries of or evaluative claim only if it primary source material topics that involve many has been published by a requires a reliable secondary primary and secondary reliable source source sources, esp when sources contradict each other. Wikipedia Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 20. the source <original version+author> of the page can play a significant role Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 21. Created by The Egyptian Liberal at 13:26 UTC, 25 January, 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Egyptian_revolution&oldid=409962868 Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 22. The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1]. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 23. The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1]. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 24. The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1]. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 25. The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1]. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 26. The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1]. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 27. The 2011 Egyptian protests are a continuing series of street demonstrations taking place throughout Egypt from January 2010 onwards with organisers counting on the Tunisian uprising to inspire the crowds to mobilize. The demonstrations and riots were reported to have started over police brutality, State of Emergency Laws, unemployment, the lack of housing, food inflation, corruption, freedom of speech and poor living conditions [1]. The protests main goal is to oust President Hosni Mubarak who has been in power for more than 30 years. While localised protests were already commonplace over previous years, major protests and riots erupted all over the country starting in "25 January" (the date set by Egyptian opposition groups, celebrities and football supporters for a major demonstration)[1]. Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 29. Caption: Khaled Mohamed Saeed holding up a tiny, flailing, stone-faced Hosni Mubarak https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Khaled_Mohamed_Saeed_holding_up_a_tiny,_flailing,_stone-faced_Hosni_Mubarak.png File:Khaled Mohamed Saeed holding up a tiny, flailing, stone-faced Hosni Mubarak.png From Latuff on Twitpic: https://twitpic.com/3swvnr (Cartoon) We are all Khaled Said #Jan25 Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 31. File:Police in civilian cloth beating a protester in Cairo 1.png Screenshot from Al Jazeera video: 29 January 2011 by the Egyptian Liberal https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Police_in_civilian_cloth_beating_a_protester_in_Cairo_1.png Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 33. Where the editors at I feel like I have been editing this page by myself for a while. This would have been cool if It was not about current event. The infos keep coming and honestly, I cant keep up. SO PLEASE HELP! -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC) I agree that more editors need to come and help. However, and please don't be offended in any way, but I think you should definitely let other editors take the lead, Egyptian Liberal. Although you have done a PHENOMENAL job so far, due to the fact that this issue seems very near and dear to your heart, I feel that perhaps you should step back and let those editors who may have a more objective view take the lead, with you offering guidance and advice. I would also like to tell you that as a fellow Deist, I am not praying for your compatriots, but I am however keeping them and their struggle in mind. I wish you and all of Egypt the best of luck in achieving democracy. Edit: BTW I am not editing this article because I support the protesters vehemently and do not feel that I could maintain a NPOV Lilly (talk) 02:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC) I completely understand your concern. Some of my friends have hurt during the protests so I might too invested in the article. I have been trying to be as neutral as I much as I can I am still a human. That's why I asked for more editors to come and help to make sure I am not leaning on way or another. It helps that I blow most of anger on twitter and facebook when I get or read bad news. But I think I owe the people who are protesting and those who have passed away to tell their story from a NPOV. I am not nor can I be in Egypt due my university so that my way of standing up to Mubarak and tell him I shall not be silenced and I shall tell the world what happened. I would be happy not to take the lead. That why I asked Lihaas among others to add certain parts that I know I can not do. like the wael part due to my personal relationship with him. I hope you would join us in editing tho. If you maintain a NPOV, trust me, other editors will let you know (me included). P.S Always happy to meet another fellow Deist-- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC) I'm glad that you understand and I feel that you have been very neutral so far. You have been doing a FABULOUS job, and I will try to help when I can. Perhaps I will try to write the timeline part. That seems pretty hard to be biased on that page/section. You are right, we do owe those that have died. We owe them a voice. Inshallah, no more people will die, and inshallah Mubarak will be out soon. Salaam. Lilly (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC) from Archive 5 of the 2011 Egyptian Revolution Talk page Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 34. primary sources are gradually replaced by secondary sources Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 35. 11 February 16:04 UTC Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 36. 11 February 16:04 UTC Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 37. 1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012 Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 38. 1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012 Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 39. 1 year later: 13:27 UTC 25 Jan 2012 Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 40. the cite is not always the same as the source Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 44. verification by sources on the ground Wael Ghonim is released and there is a question about him being identified as the Facebook admin of one of the protest groups: I just spoke to Wael and no, he is still the admin of the page -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 08:57, 8 February 2011 Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 45. tags provide cues/warnings regarding the “in progress” nature of the article Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 49. WP:RS (or “reliable sources”) book + author + publisher William Beutler: http://thewikipedian.net/2011/04/01/wiki-fools/ Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 50. WP:RS (or “reliable sources”) book + author + publisher William Beutler: http://thewikipedian.net/2011/04/01/wiki-fools/ Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 51. The blurring of boundaries along traditional RS lines: - blogs can host reliable secondary source authors - Twitter can provide access to an authentic primary source showing how individuals reacted - Twitter RT by someone like Andy Carvin can be seen as a secondary source Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 53. the cite is not always the same as the source Pic by Uwe Kils CC BY SA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceberg.jpg Tuesday, May 1, 2012
  • 56. working from collaboratively managing sources already happening Tuesday, May 1, 2012