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Challenges from a supplier point of view Metrics questions  in Request for Proposals Harold van Heeringen Sogeti   Nederland Senior metrics consultant / Cost engineer Sizing, Estimating & Control [email_address] metrieken.sogeti.nl @haroldveendam
Agenda ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Trends in outsourcing? Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs  Dutch government wastes billions of euros every year on failed ICT projects
Request for Proposal (RFP) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Demand issues (RFP sender) ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Supplier issues (RFP responder)  Can we: ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Sogeti Sizing, Estimating & Control ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Agenda ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Software estimation using function points ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Project estimation ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
QSM SLIM Estimate
Generic Estimation Model  Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs  Size Size Defects Effort Duration Defects Productivity Metric: Size Function points Metric: Size Function Points Metric: Effort Number of hours Manpower buildup Peak staff Metric: Duration Number of weeks Metric: Quality Number of defects Metric: Process productivity Skills and experience team Development environment Complexity Quality Management System External influences Need Software Energy Software development process Waste Time
Agenda ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
RFP – Typical Metric Questions ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Agenda ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Requirements: complete and detailed? time Concept Definition High Level Design Low level   Design   Realization Idea Why   What How Size: Function Points RFP 4x 3x 2x 1x 0.8x 0.5x Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs  Project Rate 1 4 2 3 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 2 7 4 8 4 9 5 10 5 Average 3
Size always grows ! time Size RFP Concept Definition High   level design Low   level design Realisation Idea Challenge: Which size should we use in our estimation and which size will the competitors use in their estimation? Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs  Why   What How
The Software equation (Putnam) ,[object Object],[object Object],Effort (manhours) Duration Plan A: 6 months, 4.500 manhours Plan B: 7 months, 2.400 manhours Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Same project, different duration Effort (manhours) / Peak   size Duration Plan A Duration: 6 months Effort: 4.500 manhours Peak staff : 5,8 fte MTTD: 1,764 days Plan B Duration: 7 months Effort: 2.400 manhours Peak staff: 2,7 fte MTTD: 2,816 days Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Scenarios Estimate / Business Case Cost depending on Time-to-market Example Scenario 1: Duration: 5,5 months Effort: 5.000 Mhr Team size: 6,7 fte Cost: € 430.000 Example Scenario 2: Duration: 5,2 months Effort: 5.500 Mhr Team size: 7,5 fte Cost: € 480.000 Example Scenario 3: Duration: 4,8 months Effort: 5.900 Mhr Team size: 8,3 fte Cost: € 530.000 Example Scenario 4: Duration: 4,5 months Effort: 6.300 Mhr Team size: 9,4 fte Cost: € 620.000 Example Scenario 5: Duration: 5,8 months Effort: 5.200 Mhr Team size: 6,2 fte Cost: € 400.000 Example Scenario 6: Duration: 6,1 months Effort: 4.900 Mhr Team size: 5,8 fte Cost: € 380.000 Example Scenario 7: Duration: 6,3 months Effort: 4.700 Mhr Team size: 5,5 fte Cost: € 360.000 Effort (manhours) Duration Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Challenge supplier Price per function point Duration Plan A: 767  €/FP Plan B: 452  €/FP Answer: 380  €/FP ?? Client expectation What is your price per function point for a 500 FP Oracle system? Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Professionalism en realism ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Cost of high and low estimates Non- Lineair extra costs Planning errors Enlarging team   more expensive but almost not faster   Extra management attention / overhead Stress: More defects, lower maintainability Lineair extra Costs Extra hours will be spent Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
High and low estimates in practice Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs  10.000 5.000 hours 3.000 hours 7.000 hours 7.000 Estimation Result 5.000 hours 7 months  Realistic estimation is the key to succesful projects A Realization (hours) 5.000 15.000 C B B: Realistic  5.000 hours 7 months Successful ! Efficient! Successful ! Not efficient ! 7.000 hours  11 months A: Optimistic  3.000 hours 5 months C: Pessimistic   7.000 hours 11 months FAILS  !!  10.000 hours 9 months
Agenda ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Recommendations ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
RFP Question should include ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Example of a good RFP Question ,[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Assess reality with ISBSG ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs    ISBSG R11 hours/FP Duration NUMBER OF PROJECTS 24 24 PERCENTILE 10% (P10) 3,5 3,3 mnd PERCENTILE 25% (P25) 7,2 4,5 mnd MEDIAN 8,4 6,0 mnd PERCENTILE 75% (P75) 11,6 9,5 mnd PERCENTILE 90% (P90) 19,6 12,2 mnd
Conclusions ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
Next steps ,[object Object],[object Object],Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
[email_address] 0031 88 6606600 +3165 metrieken.sogeti.nl @haroldveendam Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs  staat voor resultaat

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Acosm 2010 Harold Van Heeringen V3

  • 1. Challenges from a supplier point of view Metrics questions in Request for Proposals Harold van Heeringen Sogeti Nederland Senior metrics consultant / Cost engineer Sizing, Estimating & Control [email_address] metrieken.sogeti.nl @haroldveendam
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  • 12. Generic Estimation Model Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs Size Size Defects Effort Duration Defects Productivity Metric: Size Function points Metric: Size Function Points Metric: Effort Number of hours Manpower buildup Peak staff Metric: Duration Number of weeks Metric: Quality Number of defects Metric: Process productivity Skills and experience team Development environment Complexity Quality Management System External influences Need Software Energy Software development process Waste Time
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  • 16. Requirements: complete and detailed? time Concept Definition High Level Design Low level Design Realization Idea Why What How Size: Function Points RFP 4x 3x 2x 1x 0.8x 0.5x Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs Project Rate 1 4 2 3 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 2 7 4 8 4 9 5 10 5 Average 3
  • 17. Size always grows ! time Size RFP Concept Definition High level design Low level design Realisation Idea Challenge: Which size should we use in our estimation and which size will the competitors use in their estimation? Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs Why What How
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  • 19. Same project, different duration Effort (manhours) / Peak size Duration Plan A Duration: 6 months Effort: 4.500 manhours Peak staff : 5,8 fte MTTD: 1,764 days Plan B Duration: 7 months Effort: 2.400 manhours Peak staff: 2,7 fte MTTD: 2,816 days Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
  • 20. Scenarios Estimate / Business Case Cost depending on Time-to-market Example Scenario 1: Duration: 5,5 months Effort: 5.000 Mhr Team size: 6,7 fte Cost: € 430.000 Example Scenario 2: Duration: 5,2 months Effort: 5.500 Mhr Team size: 7,5 fte Cost: € 480.000 Example Scenario 3: Duration: 4,8 months Effort: 5.900 Mhr Team size: 8,3 fte Cost: € 530.000 Example Scenario 4: Duration: 4,5 months Effort: 6.300 Mhr Team size: 9,4 fte Cost: € 620.000 Example Scenario 5: Duration: 5,8 months Effort: 5.200 Mhr Team size: 6,2 fte Cost: € 400.000 Example Scenario 6: Duration: 6,1 months Effort: 4.900 Mhr Team size: 5,8 fte Cost: € 380.000 Example Scenario 7: Duration: 6,3 months Effort: 4.700 Mhr Team size: 5,5 fte Cost: € 360.000 Effort (manhours) Duration Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
  • 21. Challenge supplier Price per function point Duration Plan A: 767 €/FP Plan B: 452 €/FP Answer: 380 €/FP ?? Client expectation What is your price per function point for a 500 FP Oracle system? Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
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  • 23. Cost of high and low estimates Non- Lineair extra costs Planning errors Enlarging team  more expensive but almost not faster Extra management attention / overhead Stress: More defects, lower maintainability Lineair extra Costs Extra hours will be spent Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs
  • 24. High and low estimates in practice Harold van Heeringen - Metrics Questions in RFPs 10.000 5.000 hours 3.000 hours 7.000 hours 7.000 Estimation Result 5.000 hours 7 months Realistic estimation is the key to succesful projects A Realization (hours) 5.000 15.000 C B B: Realistic 5.000 hours 7 months Successful ! Efficient! Successful ! Not efficient ! 7.000 hours 11 months A: Optimistic 3.000 hours 5 months C: Pessimistic 7.000 hours 11 months FAILS !! 10.000 hours 9 months
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