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Garry Barnes 
Vice President 
ISACA 
VALUE CREATION THROUGH 
OPTIMISING RISK 
October 2014
BACKGROUND 
ISACA: 
International Vice President 
Strategic Advisory Council 
Credentialing and Career 
Management Board 
CISM Certification 
Committees 
Sydney Chapter 2003-2012 
(President 2008-10) 
Security, Governance, Risk 
and Audit: 
Managing Consultant, BAE 
Systems 
Risk Manager & Information 
Security Consultant, 
Commonwealth Bank of 
Australia 
Information Security Manager 
& IT Audit Manager, NSW 
Departments of Education & 
Commerce 
CISA CISM CGEIT 
CRISC MAICD
COMMON APPROACHES 
Risk: the likelihood that a loss will occur. 
Risk = Threats x assets x vulnerabilities 
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RISK MANAGEMENT AT LOW PERFORMING 
ORGANISATIONS 
✗ Is used primarily for 
compliance: 
✗ Supporting compliance 
reporting 
✗ Identifying and assessing 
controls to minimise breaches 
✗ Is constrained by internal 
organisational boundaries 
✗ Is reactive: 
✗ An additional and separate 
step in decision making 
✗ Identified risks viewed as poor 
performance 
✗ Static view of risk: 
✗ Ignoring changing business 
requirements 
✗ Once a year risk 
assessment 
✗ Ineffective risk monitoring: 
✗ Inaccurate measurement of 
actual risk levels 
✗ No enterprise-wide view 
provided by risk aggregation 
✗ Wrong accountability model: 
✗ Risk Managers (or Owners) 
vs Risk Facilitators (or 
Function)
RISK MANAGEMENT AT TOP PERFORMING 
ORGANISATIONS 
ü Is closely linked with strategy: 
ü Risk with new products and 
services, Mergers and 
Acquisitions, etc. 
ü Is a proactive and consistent: 
ü Risk information is available 
to support strategic, change 
and operational decisions 
ü Integrates Enterprise and IT 
risk: 
ü Common language 
ü Aggregation of risks 
ü Links with business 
outcomes: 
ü Creates awareness and 
understanding of risk policy 
ü Risk Appetite Statement 
provides a reference point 
leading to better business 
decisions
COBIT 5 – “RISK OPTIMISATION” 
The Governance Objective: 
“Value creation means realising benefits at an optimal 
resource cost while optimising risk”
NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT 
• Risk and opportunity 
• Risk capability 
• Risk scenarios 
• Risk appetite 
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COBIT 5 FOR RISK – “DUALITY OF RISK” 
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Do things well and 
preserve or gain value 
Do things badly and lose 
or fail to gain value
NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT 
• Risk and opportunity 
• Risk capability 
• Risk scenarios 
• Risk appetite 
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ADDRESSING TWO PERSPECTIVES ON RISK 
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RISK FUNCTION CAPABILITIES 
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Risk accountability 
Risk governance 
e.g. 3LoD 
Risk culture & 
behaviours 
Risk methodology 
Risk principles, policy 
Risk systems Risk training 
Risk criteria 
Risk intelligence
RISK MANAGEMENT CAPABILITIES 
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Risk planning 
Risk monitoring 
Risk methodology
CORE AND SUPPORTING RISK PROCESSES 
Core risk processes 
Key supporting processes
CORE RISK PROCESSES 
Governance process: EDM03 – Ensure risk optimisation: 
This process covers the understanding, articulation and 
communication of the enterprise risk appetite and tolerance and 
ensures identification and management of risk to the enterprise 
value that is related to IT use and its impact. 
• Define and communicate risk thresholds 
• Make sure key IT-related risk is known 
• Ensure risk does not exceed appetite
CORE RISK PROCESSES 
Management process: APO12 – Manage risk: 
This process covers the continuous identification, assessment and 
reduction of IT-related risk within levels of tolerance set by 
enterprise executive management. 
• Collect appropriate data and analyse risk 
• Maintain risk profile and articulate risk 
• Define action plan and respond
NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT 
• Risk and opportunity 
• Risk capability 
• Risk scenarios 
• Risk appetite 
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RISK SCENARIOS 
Common risk identification challenges: 
• Volume of identifiable risks 
• Generic risk descriptions – misalignment with business 
• Process and control failure risks – incidents! 
• Over specification of risk detail 
• Repetition of risk across BU’s 
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RISK SCENARIOS 
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NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT 
• Risk and opportunity 
• Risk capability 
• Risk scenarios 
• Risk appetite 
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WHAT IS RISK APPETITE? 
ISO 31000: 
Amount and type of risk that an organisation is 
willing to pursue or retain 
COBIT 5 for Risk 
The broad-based amount of risk in different 
aspects that an enterprise is willing to accept in 
pursuit of its mission (or vision). 
“Acceptable Level of Risk”
Design 
DESIGNING RISK APPETITE 
Risk Appetite 
Construct 
Implement 
Govern 
Risk Appetite and Risk Tolerance 
Consultation paper 
Institute of Risk Management 
May 2011 – Figure 1 
Used with permission
Design 
DESIGNING RISK APPETITE 
Risk Appetite 
Construct 
Implement 
Govern 
Business risk context 
Risk capacity and capability 
Risk philosophy 
Risk outcomes
POOR POLICIES INHIBIT OPTIMISING RISK 
Policy often preceded Risk Appetite Statements: 
• Legacy effect of historic policy positions 
• Enterprise-wide policies lack granularity for local risk/reward 
decisions 
• Tightening of policies after incidents 
Codes of Conduct: 
• Great place to start when developing a Risk Appetite Statement 
• Language the Board and Executives understand 
• Often covers some key areas of risk – expectations, compliance
CONSTRUCTING RISK APPETITE 
Design 
Risk Appetite 
Construct 
Implement 
Govern 
Risk domains 
Risk appetite statements 
Risk metrics (KRIs) 
Risk tolerances
DETAILED RISK APPETITE STATEMENTS 
Very 
Low 
• Avoid exposures 
• Ensure awareness and operation of controls 
• Assurance of KPIs and KRIs 
Low 
• Minimise risk exposures 
• Provide awareness and operation of controls 
• Monitor and report KPIs and KRIs 
Moderate 
• Allow local decisions for risk/reward, cost/benefit 
• Use timely risk information to drive risk response 
High 
• Seek strategic opportunities 
• Manage risk and return 
• Communicate expectations and outcomes 
e.g. compliance risk 
e.g. operational risk 
e.g. program risk 
e.g. investment risk
RISK TOLERANCE 
Risk tolerance levels are tolerable deviations from the 
level set by the risk appetite definitions 
Risk Appetite and Risk Tolerance 
Consultation Paper 
Institute of Risk Management 
2011 
Used with permission
IMPLEMENTING RISK APPETITE 
Design 
Risk Appetite 
Construct 
Implement 
Govern 
Communicate & train 
Risk calendar 
Risk tools 
Measure against KRIs
IMPLEMENTING RISK APPETITE 
Communicate 
Inform key 
stakeholders: 
• Directors, Executives, 
Business and Operations 
Managers 
Clarify 
accountability 
between risk 
function and risk 
management roles 
Provide tools and guidance 
Enable active use of 
the risk appetite 
statements in daily 
business operations 
Deploy Risk 
Function as support 
for risk processes 
Monitor 
Monitor operational 
metrics and Key 
Risk Indicators 
Perform meaningful 
risk aggregation 
Provide and 
relevant timely 
reporting 
Review 
Conduct periodic 
reviews (stress 
tests) 
Use risk 
assessments, 
operational metrics 
and incident data to 
refine risk appetite 
and processes
GOVERNING RISK APPETITE 
Design 
Risk Appetite 
Construct 
Implement 
Assess and act on 
metrics 
Monitor risk profile 
Monitor business change 
Govern
RE-DESIGNING RISK APPETITE 
Design 
Risk Appetite 
Construct 
Implement 
Revise as required 
Communicate 
Refine policies, etc. 
Govern
SUMMARY: DESIGNING RISK APPETITE 
Design 
Risk Appetite 
Construct 
Implement 
Govern 
Business risk context 
Risk capacity and capability 
Risk philosophy 
Risk outcomes 
Revise as required 
Communicate 
Refine policies, etc. 
Assess and act on 
metrics 
Monitor risk profile 
Monitor business change 
Risk domains 
Risk appetite statements 
Risk metrics (KRIs) 
Risk tolerances 
Communicate & train 
Risk calendar 
Risk tools 
Measure against KRIs
EXPLORING THE CHALLENGES – OBTAINING VALUE 
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Risk and 
opportunity 
Risk 
scenarios 
Risk 
appetite 
Risk 
capability 
“The best risk management is about managing risk to business 
performance against specific outcomes or objectives.” 
Excerpt From: Brian Barnier “The Operational Risk Handbook for Financial 
Companies: A guide to the new world of performance-oriented operational risk.”
CHARACTERISTICS FOR RISK OPTIMISATION 
Context – Scenarios, outcomes, framework, appetite, KRIs (i.e. risk function and risk 
management enablers) must be relevant to the risk context of the business 
Consistency – Develop risk appetite and scenarios and then identify granular but 
consistent appetites for risks across the business in business language 
Completeness – Address all key risk domains across the business chain and 
aggregate sensibly 
Culture – Align capability and appetite with risk maturity and desired risk culture 
Cooperation – Encourage proactive behaviours and guidance on management of risk 
and risk appetite 
Current – Monitor for change using risk information and refine responses as required
COBIT 5 – “RISK OPTIMISATION” 
The Governance Objective: 
“Value creation means realising benefits at an optimal 
resource cost while optimising risk”
QUESTIONS? 
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Value creation through optimising risk

  • 1. Garry Barnes Vice President ISACA VALUE CREATION THROUGH OPTIMISING RISK October 2014
  • 2. BACKGROUND ISACA: International Vice President Strategic Advisory Council Credentialing and Career Management Board CISM Certification Committees Sydney Chapter 2003-2012 (President 2008-10) Security, Governance, Risk and Audit: Managing Consultant, BAE Systems Risk Manager & Information Security Consultant, Commonwealth Bank of Australia Information Security Manager & IT Audit Manager, NSW Departments of Education & Commerce CISA CISM CGEIT CRISC MAICD
  • 3. COMMON APPROACHES Risk: the likelihood that a loss will occur. Risk = Threats x assets x vulnerabilities 3 | 22/10/2014
  • 4. RISK MANAGEMENT AT LOW PERFORMING ORGANISATIONS ✗ Is used primarily for compliance: ✗ Supporting compliance reporting ✗ Identifying and assessing controls to minimise breaches ✗ Is constrained by internal organisational boundaries ✗ Is reactive: ✗ An additional and separate step in decision making ✗ Identified risks viewed as poor performance ✗ Static view of risk: ✗ Ignoring changing business requirements ✗ Once a year risk assessment ✗ Ineffective risk monitoring: ✗ Inaccurate measurement of actual risk levels ✗ No enterprise-wide view provided by risk aggregation ✗ Wrong accountability model: ✗ Risk Managers (or Owners) vs Risk Facilitators (or Function)
  • 5. RISK MANAGEMENT AT TOP PERFORMING ORGANISATIONS ü Is closely linked with strategy: ü Risk with new products and services, Mergers and Acquisitions, etc. ü Is a proactive and consistent: ü Risk information is available to support strategic, change and operational decisions ü Integrates Enterprise and IT risk: ü Common language ü Aggregation of risks ü Links with business outcomes: ü Creates awareness and understanding of risk policy ü Risk Appetite Statement provides a reference point leading to better business decisions
  • 6. COBIT 5 – “RISK OPTIMISATION” The Governance Objective: “Value creation means realising benefits at an optimal resource cost while optimising risk”
  • 7. NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT • Risk and opportunity • Risk capability • Risk scenarios • Risk appetite 7 | 22/10/2014
  • 8. COBIT 5 FOR RISK – “DUALITY OF RISK” 8 | 22/10/2014 Do things well and preserve or gain value Do things badly and lose or fail to gain value
  • 9. NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT • Risk and opportunity • Risk capability • Risk scenarios • Risk appetite 9 | 22/10/2014
  • 10. ADDRESSING TWO PERSPECTIVES ON RISK 10 | 22/10/2014
  • 11. RISK FUNCTION CAPABILITIES 11 | 22/10/2014 Risk accountability Risk governance e.g. 3LoD Risk culture & behaviours Risk methodology Risk principles, policy Risk systems Risk training Risk criteria Risk intelligence
  • 12. RISK MANAGEMENT CAPABILITIES 12 | 22/10/2014 Risk planning Risk monitoring Risk methodology
  • 13. CORE AND SUPPORTING RISK PROCESSES Core risk processes Key supporting processes
  • 14. CORE RISK PROCESSES Governance process: EDM03 – Ensure risk optimisation: This process covers the understanding, articulation and communication of the enterprise risk appetite and tolerance and ensures identification and management of risk to the enterprise value that is related to IT use and its impact. • Define and communicate risk thresholds • Make sure key IT-related risk is known • Ensure risk does not exceed appetite
  • 15. CORE RISK PROCESSES Management process: APO12 – Manage risk: This process covers the continuous identification, assessment and reduction of IT-related risk within levels of tolerance set by enterprise executive management. • Collect appropriate data and analyse risk • Maintain risk profile and articulate risk • Define action plan and respond
  • 16. NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT • Risk and opportunity • Risk capability • Risk scenarios • Risk appetite 16 | 22/10/2014
  • 17. RISK SCENARIOS Common risk identification challenges: • Volume of identifiable risks • Generic risk descriptions – misalignment with business • Process and control failure risks – incidents! • Over specification of risk detail • Repetition of risk across BU’s 17 | 22/10/2014
  • 18. RISK SCENARIOS 18 | 22/10/2014
  • 19. NEXT STEPS FOR RISK MANAGEMENT • Risk and opportunity • Risk capability • Risk scenarios • Risk appetite 19 | 22/10/2014
  • 20. WHAT IS RISK APPETITE? ISO 31000: Amount and type of risk that an organisation is willing to pursue or retain COBIT 5 for Risk The broad-based amount of risk in different aspects that an enterprise is willing to accept in pursuit of its mission (or vision). “Acceptable Level of Risk”
  • 21. Design DESIGNING RISK APPETITE Risk Appetite Construct Implement Govern Risk Appetite and Risk Tolerance Consultation paper Institute of Risk Management May 2011 – Figure 1 Used with permission
  • 22. Design DESIGNING RISK APPETITE Risk Appetite Construct Implement Govern Business risk context Risk capacity and capability Risk philosophy Risk outcomes
  • 23. POOR POLICIES INHIBIT OPTIMISING RISK Policy often preceded Risk Appetite Statements: • Legacy effect of historic policy positions • Enterprise-wide policies lack granularity for local risk/reward decisions • Tightening of policies after incidents Codes of Conduct: • Great place to start when developing a Risk Appetite Statement • Language the Board and Executives understand • Often covers some key areas of risk – expectations, compliance
  • 24. CONSTRUCTING RISK APPETITE Design Risk Appetite Construct Implement Govern Risk domains Risk appetite statements Risk metrics (KRIs) Risk tolerances
  • 25. DETAILED RISK APPETITE STATEMENTS Very Low • Avoid exposures • Ensure awareness and operation of controls • Assurance of KPIs and KRIs Low • Minimise risk exposures • Provide awareness and operation of controls • Monitor and report KPIs and KRIs Moderate • Allow local decisions for risk/reward, cost/benefit • Use timely risk information to drive risk response High • Seek strategic opportunities • Manage risk and return • Communicate expectations and outcomes e.g. compliance risk e.g. operational risk e.g. program risk e.g. investment risk
  • 26. RISK TOLERANCE Risk tolerance levels are tolerable deviations from the level set by the risk appetite definitions Risk Appetite and Risk Tolerance Consultation Paper Institute of Risk Management 2011 Used with permission
  • 27. IMPLEMENTING RISK APPETITE Design Risk Appetite Construct Implement Govern Communicate & train Risk calendar Risk tools Measure against KRIs
  • 28. IMPLEMENTING RISK APPETITE Communicate Inform key stakeholders: • Directors, Executives, Business and Operations Managers Clarify accountability between risk function and risk management roles Provide tools and guidance Enable active use of the risk appetite statements in daily business operations Deploy Risk Function as support for risk processes Monitor Monitor operational metrics and Key Risk Indicators Perform meaningful risk aggregation Provide and relevant timely reporting Review Conduct periodic reviews (stress tests) Use risk assessments, operational metrics and incident data to refine risk appetite and processes
  • 29. GOVERNING RISK APPETITE Design Risk Appetite Construct Implement Assess and act on metrics Monitor risk profile Monitor business change Govern
  • 30. RE-DESIGNING RISK APPETITE Design Risk Appetite Construct Implement Revise as required Communicate Refine policies, etc. Govern
  • 31. SUMMARY: DESIGNING RISK APPETITE Design Risk Appetite Construct Implement Govern Business risk context Risk capacity and capability Risk philosophy Risk outcomes Revise as required Communicate Refine policies, etc. Assess and act on metrics Monitor risk profile Monitor business change Risk domains Risk appetite statements Risk metrics (KRIs) Risk tolerances Communicate & train Risk calendar Risk tools Measure against KRIs
  • 32. EXPLORING THE CHALLENGES – OBTAINING VALUE 32 | 22/10/2014 Risk and opportunity Risk scenarios Risk appetite Risk capability “The best risk management is about managing risk to business performance against specific outcomes or objectives.” Excerpt From: Brian Barnier “The Operational Risk Handbook for Financial Companies: A guide to the new world of performance-oriented operational risk.”
  • 33. CHARACTERISTICS FOR RISK OPTIMISATION Context – Scenarios, outcomes, framework, appetite, KRIs (i.e. risk function and risk management enablers) must be relevant to the risk context of the business Consistency – Develop risk appetite and scenarios and then identify granular but consistent appetites for risks across the business in business language Completeness – Address all key risk domains across the business chain and aggregate sensibly Culture – Align capability and appetite with risk maturity and desired risk culture Cooperation – Encourage proactive behaviours and guidance on management of risk and risk appetite Current – Monitor for change using risk information and refine responses as required
  • 34. COBIT 5 – “RISK OPTIMISATION” The Governance Objective: “Value creation means realising benefits at an optimal resource cost while optimising risk”
  • 35. QUESTIONS? 35 | 22/10/2014