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Web Journal and Jeremiah’s Brand Monitoring, Social
Analytics, Social Insights
Posted by Marshall Sponder on June 26, 2010 | Link It                                   Pre-order / Facebook Like my book


This was a long week and the insights keep piling up – in this case,
Jeremiah Owyang’s latest matrix on Brand Monitoring, Social Analytics,
Social Insights was posted today and had some pretty perceptive
comments in what it said and what left out.


I suspect Altimeter Group does a bit more than create matrix diagrams like
the one on Brand Monitoring, as I find matrices  both satisfying yet 
limiting, especially if that’s all we ever get to see publicly (as an unpaid
client).   A presentation by Christina Stahler of the Consumer Insights 
group at Sony Electronics, a Altimeter client how I heard at the Corporate
Social Media Summit last week suggests the matrix diagrams we see are
very basic compared to what Sony actually gets from Altimeter.




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I suspect Altimeter had a lot to do with the strategy of the Customer
Insights case study presented last week – but that is just my guess.

Anyway, the Matrix diagram suggests that Brand Monitoring as an
application by itself doesn’t cut it anymore and is a commodity – and
vendors need to move up the food chain to Social CRM to survive within
the next 12-18 months – that’s what the matrix says to me.

I disagree with some of the examples – Alterian bought Techrigy last year
but hasn’t added any noticeably new features to the platform while their
competitors are constantly improving their offerings every few months.   
Buying a platform like Techrigy and fitting it into a larger Alterian Schema
does not necessarily lead to any better results for Alterian clients unless
Alterian provides hooks from Techrigy into it’s other platforms, and it
doesn’t.   Still, I like Techrigy as a platform – I just happen to notice every
so often they haven’t really added anything new, just fixed bugs in the
original platform they bought last year.

Plus the matrix below is more interesting for companies it left out like
Radian6 and Sysomos – companies that are among those rapidly
reinventing themselves.  Is Jeremiah implying both companies are among 
the Brand Monitoring Solutions that are becoming so commonplace as to
be a commodity?  I don’t think so – I think this is a limitation of how the
matrix was created and a lot was left out that should have been included.


            Description
Category                       Current State         What no one tells you
            and Example

                                                     The smart brand
monitoring
             Aware. Simple
                                                         companies have
             aggregation and
                                                         already started their
             reporting –         Commodity
                                                         integration plans.
             without any real technology.  I
                                                          They don’t want to
             intelligence.       started a list in
                                                         end up being
             These               2006, yet now
                                                         trilobites and have
             technologies        there are over 145
Brand                                                    become part of a            A leader in the web analytics and
             scrape and          indexed by E&Y
Monitoring                                               larger system:              digital media recruitment
             aggregate           employees.  These 
                                                          Recent acquisitions        marketplace, IQ Workforce provides
             what’s being        technologies do not
                                                         include                     access to some of the most sought-
             discussed by a      provide intelligence,
                                                         Scoutlabs+Lithium           after full-time and contract talent in
             topic, channel,     or predictive
                                                         (community),                the corporate world. If you need help
             or group and        behavior modeling.
                                                         Filtrbox+Jive               finding serious web analytics talent
             derive alerts
                                                         (Community),                or want to take your career to the
             and workflows.
                                                         Techrigy+Alterian           next level, call IQ Workforce!
                                                         (WCM) and others.
             Intelligent.                                                            type="text/javascript">
             Derive meaning                                                                 Click here to check out

             what social                                                             The NY Data Stories: Digital Insights &
             data means.                                 This space is still                       Analytics!

              These                                      evolving, and expect
             companies                                   that the business
             provide             Emerging features       intelligence software
             intelligence and are coming around. vendors like IBM
             answer “Why          These tools help       Cognos, SAS, Qlikview,
Social       are 500 people      true data analysts      Oracle, and beyond to
Analytics    a week              derive meaning from start acquiring data
             tweeting about      patterns, and how       streams in the social
             goat milk?”         it influences large     space and coupling
             Companies who       scale commerce.         with their engines
             derive                                      within the next 12-18
             intelligence from                           months. Even analyst
             social data like                            Esteban Kolsky agrees
             Crowd Factory,
             Crimson
             Hexagon.

             Predictive.
             These
             companies can
             predict what
             consumers will
             do based upon                               Look for companies who
             social data.                                have data across a
                                 Not here, yet.
              I’ve seen early                            value network.  What’s
                                  Right now, 
             examples from                               that?  Data in multiple 
                                 systems are just
             community                                   companies from
                                 aggregating
             platform Lithium                            manufactured, supplier,
                                 content to make
             who’s able to                               retailer, to consumer.
Social                           meaning out of it,
             predict within                              Expect companies like
Insights                         yet there’s no clear
             45 minutes if a                             Bazaarvoice to be able
                                 set of companies
             community will                              to yield insights as they
                                 that are able to
             be successful                               collect data from
                                 truly provide
             based on                                    multiple manufactures
                                 predictive
             comparing to                                like HP, Dell and are
                                 recommendations.
             historical data,                            used on retailer sites
             but for the most                            like BestBuy
             part, that’s
             limited to
             community data
             –not the whole
             social web.


Getting onto the web journal – I think it’s ironic that Apple’s  iOS 4 And 
iPhone 4 One-Up The iPad considering how much the iPad has been
hyped.   I wonder if the iPad is all hype anyway (even though I want one) 
– my friend Sebastian Wenzel says he can’t do anything useful on his and
is thinking of selling it.  On the other hand I hear people swearing by the 
iPad – I guess it’s all in how your expect to use it.


And – consider Google & Twitter Fight for Your Right to Break the News
First so our problems might go well beyond the tablet and back to the
content we have to work with.

Consider buying behavior on the web – did you realize Woman buy most of
the brand related stuff online – see 85% of All Brand Purchases are Made
by Women – Says Unicast Report?


And then there’s a post and video by SeoMOZ that says buying paid links
work – but it’s possible that if things go wrong it might be better off not
going down that path as Google is policing and it could get information
from a number of different avenues.  I personally think SEOMoz and much 
of the rest of the brood is afraid of angering Google – so they say Paid
Links work, then go back and praise Google for catching those who
transgress.  In this sense, Google acts as the KGB or Gestapo  – putting
offenders in the Gulag and tossing out the key so once having offended a
site can sit in Google prison for an eternity.

And my friends at Clickable are now working  to consolidate paid search 
campaigns SearchManager Consolidates Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, &
Facebook Ad Campaigns.


When we think about Social Media Monitoring – mostly it’s about a brand
monitoring itself or a person monitoring their reputation – but it’s also,
increasingly, the Government monitoring you and me – monitoring all of us
– The Devil Is In The Details: DHS Monitoring Web & “Wrong” Words – and
the truth is the Government – and in fact, many Governments are already
monitoring citizens and have been for some time.   What do you think the 
CIA’s investment in Visible Technologies was for?   Some legitimate 
reasons to monitor are terrorism  – but it probably doesn’t stop there – the
IRS and state governments are monitoring too based on what I have read
in the recent past.

Are we all in segmented lists governments are keeping on us?  Probably.  
Let’s hope the systems they’re using to identify threats  are much  better 
than what we’re seeing commercially now – else we’re all screwed.

But on a more positive note – those who survive the DHS spying on us
online (which you have to admit is pretty easy for the Government  to do) 
– if you want to build a Facebook app then KickApps make it much easier
to do – see  KickApps Launches Facebook App Development Suite


          White label social networking startup KickApps has launched a new
          development suite that aims to simplify the Facebook app
          development for marketers, brand managers and developers. The
          KickApps App Studio now allows anyone, including non-programmers,
          to create rich media Facebook applications.The suite’s ease of use is
          obtained through drag and drop functionality, allowing users to create
          and deploy custom video players, social widgets and rich media ad
          units. Applications can serve as a Facebook fan page or as a tab on a
          Facebook page.



That’s all for now – there might have been more to put into this post –
had to draw the line somewhere though.


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Monitoring, Social Analytics, Social Insights"


 Connie Bensen                Hi Marshall,
 06/26/10 @ 3:45 pm           I wanted to respond to your comment that:
                              “Alterian bought Techrigy last year but hasn’t
added any noticeably new features to the
                      platform” 

                      Alterian has invested heavily in SM2 in regard to
                      resources. Many improvements have been made
                      under the hood. Imagine the infrastructure that it
                      takes to support data being collected at an
                      exponential rate. We have more than 9 billion
                      entries at present (since 2007) and are adding 35
                      million more a day (about 13 billion per year). SM2
                      is also continually being updated to ensure that
                      searches are running quickly.


                      We are responding to what our market requests.
                      We recently launched a dashboard. And SM2 can
                      do sentiment analysis in 17 languages.


                      In addition, Alterian has integrated SM2 into it’s
                      suite of marketing products. We offer a Social
                      Media Engagement solution that adds the social
                      channel to traditional marketing.


                      Let me know if you have questions,
                      Connie Bensen
                      Director of Community Strategy, Alterian
                      @Cbensen




 Sebastian            I like your comment about SEOMOZ. After this
 06/26/10 @ 4:59 pm   post SEOMOZ lost all it’s credibility and it shows
                      that 99% of the people in this industry…have no
                      idea what they are doing.




 Jeremiah Owyang      Thanks Marshall, I appreciate the mention.
 06/27/10 @ 4:37 am




 40deuce              Thanks for pointing out that we weren’t
 07/02/10 @ 2:54 pm   mentioned in that matrix Marshall. I noticed it too
                      and thought it was strange.
                      Hopefully we were left out for good reasons and
                      not bad ones =)


                      Cheers,

                      Sheldon, community manager for Sysomos




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Web Journal and Jeremiah’s Brand Monitoring, Social Analytics, Social Insights

  • 1. Enter Keywords...   Home Appearances Writings Marshall Sponder Bio Submit a Case Study Web Journal and Jeremiah’s Brand Monitoring, Social Analytics, Social Insights Posted by Marshall Sponder on June 26, 2010 | Link It Pre-order / Facebook Like my book This was a long week and the insights keep piling up – in this case, Jeremiah Owyang’s latest matrix on Brand Monitoring, Social Analytics, Social Insights was posted today and had some pretty perceptive comments in what it said and what left out. I suspect Altimeter Group does a bit more than create matrix diagrams like the one on Brand Monitoring, as I find matrices  both satisfying yet  limiting, especially if that’s all we ever get to see publicly (as an unpaid client).   A presentation by Christina Stahler of the Consumer Insights  group at Sony Electronics, a Altimeter client how I heard at the Corporate Social Media Summit last week suggests the matrix diagrams we see are very basic compared to what Sony actually gets from Altimeter. Like 685 WebMetricsGuru I suspect Altimeter had a lot to do with the strategy of the Customer Insights case study presented last week – but that is just my guess. Anyway, the Matrix diagram suggests that Brand Monitoring as an application by itself doesn’t cut it anymore and is a commodity – and vendors need to move up the food chain to Social CRM to survive within the next 12-18 months – that’s what the matrix says to me. I disagree with some of the examples – Alterian bought Techrigy last year but hasn’t added any noticeably new features to the platform while their competitors are constantly improving their offerings every few months.    Buying a platform like Techrigy and fitting it into a larger Alterian Schema does not necessarily lead to any better results for Alterian clients unless Alterian provides hooks from Techrigy into it’s other platforms, and it doesn’t.   Still, I like Techrigy as a platform – I just happen to notice every so often they haven’t really added anything new, just fixed bugs in the original platform they bought last year. Plus the matrix below is more interesting for companies it left out like Radian6 and Sysomos – companies that are among those rapidly reinventing themselves.  Is Jeremiah implying both companies are among  the Brand Monitoring Solutions that are becoming so commonplace as to be a commodity?  I don’t think so – I think this is a limitation of how the matrix was created and a lot was left out that should have been included. Description Category Current State What no one tells you and Example The smart brand
  • 2. monitoring Aware. Simple companies have aggregation and already started their reporting – Commodity integration plans. without any real technology.  I  They don’t want to intelligence. started a list in end up being These 2006, yet now trilobites and have technologies there are over 145 Brand become part of a A leader in the web analytics and scrape and indexed by E&Y Monitoring larger system: digital media recruitment aggregate employees.  These   Recent acquisitions  marketplace, IQ Workforce provides what’s being technologies do not include access to some of the most sought- discussed by a provide intelligence, Scoutlabs+Lithium after full-time and contract talent in topic, channel, or predictive (community), the corporate world. If you need help or group and behavior modeling. Filtrbox+Jive finding serious web analytics talent derive alerts (Community), or want to take your career to the and workflows. Techrigy+Alterian next level, call IQ Workforce! (WCM) and others. Intelligent. type="text/javascript"> Derive meaning Click here to check out what social The NY Data Stories: Digital Insights & data means. This space is still Analytics!  These  evolving, and expect companies that the business provide Emerging features intelligence software intelligence and are coming around. vendors like IBM answer “Why  These tools help  Cognos, SAS, Qlikview, Social are 500 people true data analysts Oracle, and beyond to Analytics a week derive meaning from start acquiring data tweeting about patterns, and how streams in the social goat milk?”  it influences large space and coupling Companies who scale commerce. with their engines derive within the next 12-18 intelligence from months. Even analyst social data like Esteban Kolsky agrees Crowd Factory, Crimson Hexagon. Predictive. These companies can predict what consumers will do based upon Look for companies who social data. have data across a Not here, yet.  I’ve seen early value network.  What’s  Right now,  examples from that?  Data in multiple  systems are just community companies from aggregating platform Lithium manufactured, supplier, content to make who’s able to retailer, to consumer. Social meaning out of it, predict within Expect companies like Insights yet there’s no clear 45 minutes if a Bazaarvoice to be able set of companies community will to yield insights as they that are able to be successful collect data from truly provide based on multiple manufactures predictive comparing to like HP, Dell and are recommendations. historical data, used on retailer sites but for the most like BestBuy part, that’s limited to community data –not the whole social web. Getting onto the web journal – I think it’s ironic that Apple’s  iOS 4 And  iPhone 4 One-Up The iPad considering how much the iPad has been hyped.   I wonder if the iPad is all hype anyway (even though I want one)  – my friend Sebastian Wenzel says he can’t do anything useful on his and is thinking of selling it.  On the other hand I hear people swearing by the  iPad – I guess it’s all in how your expect to use it. And – consider Google & Twitter Fight for Your Right to Break the News
  • 3. First so our problems might go well beyond the tablet and back to the content we have to work with. Consider buying behavior on the web – did you realize Woman buy most of the brand related stuff online – see 85% of All Brand Purchases are Made by Women – Says Unicast Report? And then there’s a post and video by SeoMOZ that says buying paid links work – but it’s possible that if things go wrong it might be better off not going down that path as Google is policing and it could get information from a number of different avenues.  I personally think SEOMoz and much  of the rest of the brood is afraid of angering Google – so they say Paid Links work, then go back and praise Google for catching those who transgress.  In this sense, Google acts as the KGB or Gestapo  – putting offenders in the Gulag and tossing out the key so once having offended a site can sit in Google prison for an eternity. And my friends at Clickable are now working  to consolidate paid search  campaigns SearchManager Consolidates Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, & Facebook Ad Campaigns. When we think about Social Media Monitoring – mostly it’s about a brand monitoring itself or a person monitoring their reputation – but it’s also, increasingly, the Government monitoring you and me – monitoring all of us – The Devil Is In The Details: DHS Monitoring Web & “Wrong” Words – and the truth is the Government – and in fact, many Governments are already monitoring citizens and have been for some time.   What do you think the  CIA’s investment in Visible Technologies was for?   Some legitimate  reasons to monitor are terrorism  – but it probably doesn’t stop there – the IRS and state governments are monitoring too based on what I have read in the recent past. Are we all in segmented lists governments are keeping on us?  Probably.   Let’s hope the systems they’re using to identify threats  are much  better  than what we’re seeing commercially now – else we’re all screwed. But on a more positive note – those who survive the DHS spying on us online (which you have to admit is pretty easy for the Government  to do)  – if you want to build a Facebook app then KickApps make it much easier to do – see  KickApps Launches Facebook App Development Suite White label social networking startup KickApps has launched a new development suite that aims to simplify the Facebook app development for marketers, brand managers and developers. The KickApps App Studio now allows anyone, including non-programmers, to create rich media Facebook applications.The suite’s ease of use is obtained through drag and drop functionality, allowing users to create and deploy custom video players, social widgets and rich media ad units. Applications can serve as a Facebook fan page or as a tab on a Facebook page. That’s all for now – there might have been more to put into this post – had to draw the line somewhere though. Related articles by Zemanta l Listening Tools (proactivereport.com) Like One person likes this. Filed in Web Analytics, web journal Post a Response 4 Responses These are the current comments for "Web Journal and Jeremiah’s Brand Monitoring, Social Analytics, Social Insights" Connie Bensen Hi Marshall, 06/26/10 @ 3:45 pm I wanted to respond to your comment that: “Alterian bought Techrigy last year but hasn’t
  • 4. added any noticeably new features to the platform”  Alterian has invested heavily in SM2 in regard to resources. Many improvements have been made under the hood. Imagine the infrastructure that it takes to support data being collected at an exponential rate. We have more than 9 billion entries at present (since 2007) and are adding 35 million more a day (about 13 billion per year). SM2 is also continually being updated to ensure that searches are running quickly. We are responding to what our market requests. We recently launched a dashboard. And SM2 can do sentiment analysis in 17 languages. In addition, Alterian has integrated SM2 into it’s suite of marketing products. We offer a Social Media Engagement solution that adds the social channel to traditional marketing. Let me know if you have questions, Connie Bensen Director of Community Strategy, Alterian @Cbensen Sebastian I like your comment about SEOMOZ. After this 06/26/10 @ 4:59 pm post SEOMOZ lost all it’s credibility and it shows that 99% of the people in this industry…have no idea what they are doing. Jeremiah Owyang Thanks Marshall, I appreciate the mention. 06/27/10 @ 4:37 am 40deuce Thanks for pointing out that we weren’t 07/02/10 @ 2:54 pm mentioned in that matrix Marshall. I noticed it too and thought it was strange. Hopefully we were left out for good reasons and not bad ones =) Cheers, Sheldon, community manager for Sysomos Post a Response Name (required) Email (required, not published)
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