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VALUE INVESTING
RAJEEV AGRAWAL
2016
BACKGROUND
 Rajeev Agrawal – A Value Investor
 Did personal investing for a decade in US
 Since 2012 focused on India and managing equity investments
for friends & family
 Working as Managing Director at Markit since 2012
 Worked in US for 12 years with the best financial firms
 Goldman Sachs 2007-2012
 Bank of America 2005-2007
 JP Morgan 2002-2004
 Dresdner Bank 2001-2002
 Strong educational background
 Completed CFA certification in 2014
 MBA from IIM Calcutta in 1998
 B. Tech from IIT Bombay in 1995
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AGENDA
 Value Investing – An Introduction
 What is Investing and why is it important?
 An Investing Framework – Value Investing
 Stock Investing – Common Myths
 Value Investing – In Practice
 Investment Approach
 Investment Process
 Case Studies
 Journey of Value Investors
 Mohnish Pabrai
 Rajeev Agrawal
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VALUE INVESTING – AN INTRODUCTION
WHAT IS INVESTING?
 Investing is not Savings
 Savings is money that you earn but don’t spend
 A portion of the Savings should be Liquid – Emergency
Reserve
 Remaining should be invested based on needs and abilities
 Investing is the process of putting your money to work
to make even more money for you
 Investing should focus on long-term.
 Evolve from Working for Money to have Money work for
you!
 Our focus in this talk is on Equity Investing
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WHY IS INVESTING IMPORTANT?
 Human Capital goes down over-time. Financial Capital
goes up.
 Keep-up with Inflation & Improve Standard of Living
 Invest 1$ now to get more than 1$ worth of goods in the
future.
 Power of Compounding
 Albert Einstein “Compounding is the 8th wonder of the world”
 If you can compound at 26% p.a. 10 Lakh will become 100 Cr
in 30 years.
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VALUE INVESTING CONCEPTS
 Margin of Safety
 On a bridge which allows 30 Ton load you only allow 15 Ton
vehicles to go
 Buying a $ for 50 cents
 To Increase Return, reduce Risk
 Focus on not loosing money and the upside will take care of
itself
 Warren Buffett’s rules
 Rule #1: Don’t loose money
 Rule #2: Don’t forget rule #1
 Equity Investing is buying a business
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CASE FOR VALUE INVESTING
 Value Investing is getting more than you give
 Works across time periods
 Over the last 35 years, Sensex has returned 17% p.a. 8
Investor Period CAGR S&P Out-
performance
Walter Schloss 1956-84 21.3% 8.4% 12.9%
Tweedy Browne (Tom Knapp) 1968-83 20.0% 7.0% 13.0%
Buffett Partnership 1957-69 29.5% 7.4% 22.1%
Sequoia Fund (Bill Ruane) 1970-84 18.2% 10.0% 8.2%
Charles Munger 1962-75 19.8% Dow (5%) 14.8%
Pacific Partners (Rick Guerin) 1965-83 32.9% 7.8% 25.1%
Perlmeter Investments (Stan
Perlmeter)
1965-83 23.0% Dow (7%) 16%
FMC Pension Fund 1975-83 17.1% 15.6% 1.5%
WHY IS EVERYBODY NOT A VALUE INVESTOR?
 Value Investing doesn’t work all the time
 In Bull markets, Value investing can barely keep up with the
markets. In 1998-99 tech stocks did way better than Value
approach
 Value of this approach is seen in Bear markets, where portfolio
losses are much less
 Requires patience
 Most people like activity and find it difficult to do nothing!
 Requires lots of work
 Main activity is to read a lot.
 Reading Annual Report itself will allow you to be ahead of most
of the analysts!
 Requires Discipline and Emotional fortitude
 Fear is the foe of the faddist and a friend of the fundamentalist
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TRAITS OF A SUCCESSFUL INVESTOR
 Don’t feel pain in buying things that are unpopular
 Stock price fall for a reason – there is bad news.
 Trick is to judge whether market valuation is significantly lower than the
intrinsic value.
 Think of Mr Market – a manic, depressive, emotional fellow
 Mr Market is there to serve you, not to guide you.
 Skip Envy
 Don’t have to keep up with the returns of the next person you meet
 Have an approach that you can live with and stick to
 Independent Thinking & Right Temperament
 Warren Buffett “My idea of a committee is to look myself in a mirror and
make decision”
 Think like a Businessman 10
MYTHS OF STOCK INVESTING
 Myth #1: Investing v/s Speculation
 Myth #2: Markets are efficient
 Myth #3: Investing is easy
 Myth #4: Standard deviation and Beta are good
proxy of Risk
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MYTH #1 – INVESTING V/S SPECULATION
 Anybody with a brokerage account and money to invest is an
investor!
 Most of the time people confuse investing with speculating
 In short-term the distinction is not apparent because of the role
of luck
 Investors purchase an asset for the cash flow that it will
generate
 Returns received are driven by the financial performance of the
asset
 Returns received are driven by narrowing of the gap between
market value and intrinsic value
 Speculators purchase asset because they believe other
investors will pay more
 Returns received are driven based on other actions / gullibility
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MYTH #1 – INVESTING V/S SPECULATION
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MYTH #2 – MARKETS ARE EFFICIENT
 Efficient Market Theory says that Markets are always
efficient
 Hence it is impossible to beat the market (proxy is the Stock
Index e.g. S&P 500)
 Hence no point in doing Stock Research!
 If Markets are always efficient we will not observe the
following
 Net – Net: Stocks whose market value is less than the Cash
on its books net of all liabilities
 Debt Capacity Bargains: Market Value of the company is
less than the Debt the company can take given its Interest
Coverage
 Over and under reactions: 1987 stock market crash (20%
fall in a day), 2008 Financial Crisis (>50% fall in indices
across many parts of the world)
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MYTH #3 – INVESTING IS EASY
 Anybody with a brokerage account, money to invest and a “tip”
from broker / friend / family is an investor!
 In short-term anybody can make a lot of money because of the role of luck
 True results are apparent over multiple years (at least 3), ideally
multiple decades
 Investing requires a few characteristics that human beings find
difficult
 Herd Mentality: When things are uncertain, humans like to follow the
crowd. Leads to “Buying High and Selling Low” in Investing
 Macro vs Micro: Most investors focus on Macro economics which is
extremely difficult to predict. Macro also allows one to be a celebrity on
TV shows and appear knowledgeable
 Patience: Investing requires patience to only buy when the price of the
company is significantly below its IV. However, that may require waiting
for a long time and most people love action
 Diligence: Understand the business and buy only at a steep discount.
Most “investors” do more research buying a phone/washing machine/etc
than buying a stock!
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MYTH #4 – STANDARD DEVIATION AND BETA
ARE GOOD PROXY OF RISK
 CAPM suggests that higher the Risk, higher the Return
 Above implies that if I take Risk I should be well rewarded.
 However, if Returns are guaranteed to be high then is it really Risky?
 Empirically, higher beta stocks don’t out-perform the indexes
 Risk is embedded in how much you know about the business and
how confidently you can predict the future outcome
 Circle of Competence: The more certain you are about the business
outcome the less Risky it is.
 Time Horizon: Shorter the time-horizon, higher the Risk. Ben Graham
“In the short term markets are a voting machine but in the long-term it is
a weighing machine.”
 Quality of Business: The higher the likelihood that business can keep
earning above average returns, the better the business.
 Quality of Management: Is Management looking after minority
interest
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VALUE INVESTING IN PRACTICE
INVESTMENT APPROACH
 Seek superior long-term capital
appreciation by investing in best
equity ideas
Objective
 Buy with significant Margin of Safety
 Concentrated portfolio
 Long-term focus
 Identify competitive advantage
 Focus on Business & Mgmt Quality
 Patience
Investment
Approach:
Value
Investing
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INVESTMENT APPROACH
 Value Investing
 Buy with significant MOS (Margin of Safety)
 To increase Return reduce Risk
 Warren Buffett rules
 Rule #1: Don’t loose money
 Rule #2: Don’t forget Rule #1
 Concentrated Portfolio
 Invest more in our best ideas
 Know our positions better than most – extensive diligence
initially and ongoing maintenance diligence
 Long-term focus
 In short-term returns may look volatile. Over long-term,
returns dominate volatility
 Leads to better decision making – noise is reduced 19
INVESTMENT APPROACH
 Identify competitive advantage
 Contrarian bias: Go where we have a variant perception
 Smaller Cap: Areas where there is less analyst coverage
 Stronger Balance-sheet: Markets are too focused on earnings
 Management and Business Quality
 Can’t do a good deal with a bad management
 High return businesses with long run-way
 Patience
 Most ideas take a few years to play out. Short circuiting can
reduce returns
 Reducing activity reduces expenses thus resulting in better
returns
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INVESTMENT PROCESS
1. Idea Generation
 Use screening software to find opportunities
 High Return on Capital – ROE, ROCE, EBIT/(NFA + WC)
 Low Leverage – D:E, Interest coverage
 Reasonable valuation – P/E, EV/OCF, EV/EBIT
 Good management and business – Rev, PAT, CF growth rate, past
return to shareholders
 Look at positions of other successful value investors
 These positions have already gone through a layer of diligence
 Companies with similar themes / ideas as what I am familiar
with
 Understand the industry / thesis relatively quickly
 Continuously search for new trends / opportunities
 Revisit old investments that may provide new opportunities 21
INVESTMENT PROCESS
2. Idea Investigation
 Understand the business
 Read last 10AR in the reverse chronological order – from the
oldest to the latest
 Read Quarterly reports for the last few years
 Read research reports & blog postings
 Assess how management reacts to questions
 Hear investor conference calls & read investor presentation
 Listen to management interviews
 Summarize key takeaways
 Make notes as an idea is investigated.
 Assess whether management does what it says it will do
 Put aside the notes for a few weeks, come back and read the
notes again – ensure we are not being swept away
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INVESTMENT PROCESS
3. Idea Ranking
 Once an idea is investigated, it falls in 3 buckets:
 Interesting opportunity
 Not now: re-visit later if not as compelling
 Never: Bad management, improper governance
 Interesting opportunities then go through future return
analysis
 Estimate how the business looks a few years out
 Any gaps in assessing the future require further research
 Use reasonable assumption to estimate future stock value
 Derive forward return based on current and future (expected) price
 All existing positions and new ideas are then stack ranked by:
 Future Returns CAGR over the next few years
 Confidence in the idea (how long I am willing to hold) 23
INVESTMENT PROCESS
4. Idea inclusion/addition in portfolio
 Once an idea has high future returns v/s existing holdings it is
gradually added to the portfolio
 This assumes that there is cash available to buy
 Percentage allocated to the idea in the portfolio increases as:
 Confidence in the idea increases
 Market price of the idea falls and future return increases
Ideally both happens
5. Position Maintenance
 All positions in the portfolio are continuously assessed against
other positions in the portfolio with respect to Future Returns
 All positions are regularly reviewed for company and sector
results and aspects that can impact its value 24
INVESTMENT PROCESS
6. Position Selling
 Positions are added and sold gradually
 Main driver is to have size of the position match with the
conviction
 Ensure we keep buying and selling reserve
 Position is sold if future return of the position is significantly
below other options
 Better opportunities elsewhere
 Stock price increases dramatically
 Poor performance of the company which causes future valuation to
shrink
 Position is also sold if
 Company’s management is unfriendly to minority holders
 New facts come to light which dramatically changes the value of
the company
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ADVANTAGES OF THE PROCESS
 Provides a guide post for buying and selling
 Set of steps acts as brakes to natural inclination towards
activity
 Higher price reduces forward return and lower price increases
forward return – Thus makes us likely to buy low and sell high
 Manage complexity
 Comparing tens / hundreds of securities in the investing world
becomes easier – look at forward return comparisons
 Better prepared to act during times of volatility since forward
return provides a good discipline. In the past during these
volatile periods I would behave like a “deer caught in the
headlights” 26
ADVANTAGES OF THE PROCESS
 Feedback loop
 Making notes, projecting returns and then comparing it with
the actual outcomes helps in assessing our analyzing
capabilities and being humble!
 Discipline to track how the stock and the portfolio does over
time v/s our goals is a good way to understand our strengths
and weaknesses
 Knowledge accumulates
 Assessing a previous analyzed company takes a few hours /
days of work since we only have to go through our notes
 As we analyze a new company we can look at patterns /
similarities to other companies that have been previously
analyzed thus speeding up the process
 Making notes of our mistakes / successes and putting in steps
to avoid / leverage them makes us a better investor 27
CASE STUDIES
CASE STUDY – STOCK 1
 Looked at the stock first in 2011
 Co had sold half its business and all the cash had come into the
company
 Co was selling for <50% of the cash
 Co was selling for 60% of the buy back price (buyback in 2010)
 Management had great track record of value creation – Over
previous 20 yrs CAGR of Sales 29%, PAT 35%, Mkt Cap 40%
 Bought in 2011 and kept buying more as conviction grew with
management delivering on promises
 Stock price is >4X from 2011 buy price
 >300% returns over the entire history of buying
 Largest position in the portfolio
 Management thinking of kicking next leg of value creation –
spinning off various businesses
 Risk: If something happens to management 29
CASE STUDY – STOCK 2
 Looked at the stock first in 2015
 Co stock had been bought by a prominent investor
 Co has a near monopoly in its business in a particular region
 Co was reasonably priced (not cheap)
 Other competitors in the space were selling at higher multiples
 Bought in 2015 and kept buying in 2015 and 2016 as the price
kept falling
 Stock price has fallen by >40% from the original buy price
 Market value and cost are break-even as bought additional stock
at lower prices
 Stock is quite cheap on various parameters
 Expect >100% returns over the next 3 yrs (>26% CAGR)
 2nd largest position in the portfolio
 Risk: If economy slows down stock will take longer to recover
 Chance for permanent loss of capital is very low (close to 0)
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CASE STUDY – STOCK 3
 Looked at the stock first in last quarter of 2014
 Co had generated around 20% ROE over 5 years
 Co had 20%+ CAGR on Revenue and PAT over last 10 years
 Co was selling for 3.5X PAT
 Other competitors in the space were selling for >10X
 Low volume meant that few institutional investors participated
 Bought in 2014 Q4 and kept buying in 2015 Q1 and Q2 as
the price stagnated or fell some
 Stock price is >4X from 2014 buy price
 >300% returns over the entire history of buying
 3rd largest position in the portfolio
 Given the increase in price, monitoring the position closely and
would lighten up as I find more compelling opportunities
 Risk: If earnings fall in a quarter stock price will follow
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JOURNEY OF A VALUE INVESTOR
MOHNISH PABRAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1CH2nK1cM
Start from 23:40 – 5 mins video
http://fundooprofessor.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/mohnish-
pabrai-lecture-mdi/
Start from 3:30 – 5 mins video
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RAJEEV AGRAWAL
 Moved back to India from US in 2012
 Had read quite a bit on Value Investing
 Practiced it in US stocks and dabbled casually in Indian
stocks
 Indian market looked very different
 Real-estate was all the rage – investors owned 1-2-3 houses
and on way to buying more
 Equities were quite depressed and nobody was talking about
them
 Started investing in Indian Equity markets
 Returns on next page
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RAJEEV AGRAWAL
 Good returns since returning from US at the end of
2012
 2016 has been volatile so far thus giving us
opportunities to invest in interesting ideas
 Excited to see what the next 27 years bring!
Year Portfolio
Returns
Sensex
Returns
Relative
Returns
CAGR (Sep ‘13 – ‘15) 59.4% 13.0% 46.3%
2013 (Sep ‘13 – Dec ‘13) 10.7% 13.2% -2.5%
2014 89.2% 30.0% 59.2%
2015 52.2% -5.0% 57.3%
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APPENDIX – EQUITY INVESTING
CASE FOR EQUITIES
 History favors Equities
 Returns observed in major markets from 1900 – 2010
 Over the last 35 years, Sensex has returned 17% p.a.
COUNTRY Equity
Return
Standard
Deviation
Bond
Return
Standard
Deviation
Australia 9.1% 18.2% 2.3% 13.2%
Canada 7.3% 17.2% 2.6% 10.4%
France 5.7% 23.5% 0.8% 13.0%
Germany 8.1% 32.2% 0.8% 15.7%
Japan 8.5% 29.8% 1.6% 20.1%
UK 7.2% 20.0% 2.2% 13.7%
USA 8.3% 20.3% 2.3% 10.2%
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CASE FOR EQUITIES CONTD…
 Tax policy in India favors Equities
 0% L-T Tax on Gains for Equities held > 1 year.
 15% S-T Tax on Gains for Equities held < 1 year.
 Compare this to up to 34% tax for Fixed Income investments.
 Helps protect purchasing power
 High inflation in India. Equities act as a natural hedge.
 Ownership of business that can withstand vagaries of time.
 World is getting smaller and India is getting prosperous
 Provides participation in upside of business.
 Massive migration of people into middle class with higher
disposable income. 38
APPENDIX – INDIAN LANDSCAPE
ASSET WISE BREAK-UP OF WEALTH IN INDIA*
ASSET AMOUNT (CR) %
Direct Equity 22,73,043 31.1%
Fixed Deposit & Bonds 22,16,307 30.3%
Insurance 10,46,145 14.3%
Savings Bank Deposits 6,75,134 9.2%
Small Savings 5,19,162 7.1%
Provident Fund 2,81,559 3.9%
Mutual Funds 2,77,953 3.8%
Alternative Assets 18,575 .3%
* From India Wealth Report by Karvy 2010
• Only Considers Financial Assets available to Indian Investor
• Physical Assets like Gold and Real Estate have not been considered.
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ASSET CLASS BREAK-UP OF WEALTH*
ASSET CLASS AMOUNT (CR) INDIA % GLOBAL %
Equities 24,72,626 33.9% 35%
Debt 48,12,677 65.8% 58%
Alternative Assets 18,575 .3% 7%
* From India Wealth Report by Karvy 2010
• Only Considers Financial Assets available to Indian Investor
• Physical Assets like Gold and Real Estate have not been considered.
 Of the 25 Lakh Crores in Equities, only 5.8 Lakh
Crores is invested by Retail Investors. Rest is invested
by Promoters.
 Thus of the total Financial Wealth, Individual
Investors in India only invest 8 – 10% in Equities vs
35% Globally.
 Equities as an Asset Class is under-represented.
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Value Investing Lecture at IIM Lucknow

  • 2. BACKGROUND  Rajeev Agrawal – A Value Investor  Did personal investing for a decade in US  Since 2012 focused on India and managing equity investments for friends & family  Working as Managing Director at Markit since 2012  Worked in US for 12 years with the best financial firms  Goldman Sachs 2007-2012  Bank of America 2005-2007  JP Morgan 2002-2004  Dresdner Bank 2001-2002  Strong educational background  Completed CFA certification in 2014  MBA from IIM Calcutta in 1998  B. Tech from IIT Bombay in 1995 2
  • 3. AGENDA  Value Investing – An Introduction  What is Investing and why is it important?  An Investing Framework – Value Investing  Stock Investing – Common Myths  Value Investing – In Practice  Investment Approach  Investment Process  Case Studies  Journey of Value Investors  Mohnish Pabrai  Rajeev Agrawal 3
  • 4. VALUE INVESTING – AN INTRODUCTION
  • 5. WHAT IS INVESTING?  Investing is not Savings  Savings is money that you earn but don’t spend  A portion of the Savings should be Liquid – Emergency Reserve  Remaining should be invested based on needs and abilities  Investing is the process of putting your money to work to make even more money for you  Investing should focus on long-term.  Evolve from Working for Money to have Money work for you!  Our focus in this talk is on Equity Investing 5
  • 6. WHY IS INVESTING IMPORTANT?  Human Capital goes down over-time. Financial Capital goes up.  Keep-up with Inflation & Improve Standard of Living  Invest 1$ now to get more than 1$ worth of goods in the future.  Power of Compounding  Albert Einstein “Compounding is the 8th wonder of the world”  If you can compound at 26% p.a. 10 Lakh will become 100 Cr in 30 years. 6
  • 7. VALUE INVESTING CONCEPTS  Margin of Safety  On a bridge which allows 30 Ton load you only allow 15 Ton vehicles to go  Buying a $ for 50 cents  To Increase Return, reduce Risk  Focus on not loosing money and the upside will take care of itself  Warren Buffett’s rules  Rule #1: Don’t loose money  Rule #2: Don’t forget rule #1  Equity Investing is buying a business 7
  • 8. CASE FOR VALUE INVESTING  Value Investing is getting more than you give  Works across time periods  Over the last 35 years, Sensex has returned 17% p.a. 8 Investor Period CAGR S&P Out- performance Walter Schloss 1956-84 21.3% 8.4% 12.9% Tweedy Browne (Tom Knapp) 1968-83 20.0% 7.0% 13.0% Buffett Partnership 1957-69 29.5% 7.4% 22.1% Sequoia Fund (Bill Ruane) 1970-84 18.2% 10.0% 8.2% Charles Munger 1962-75 19.8% Dow (5%) 14.8% Pacific Partners (Rick Guerin) 1965-83 32.9% 7.8% 25.1% Perlmeter Investments (Stan Perlmeter) 1965-83 23.0% Dow (7%) 16% FMC Pension Fund 1975-83 17.1% 15.6% 1.5%
  • 9. WHY IS EVERYBODY NOT A VALUE INVESTOR?  Value Investing doesn’t work all the time  In Bull markets, Value investing can barely keep up with the markets. In 1998-99 tech stocks did way better than Value approach  Value of this approach is seen in Bear markets, where portfolio losses are much less  Requires patience  Most people like activity and find it difficult to do nothing!  Requires lots of work  Main activity is to read a lot.  Reading Annual Report itself will allow you to be ahead of most of the analysts!  Requires Discipline and Emotional fortitude  Fear is the foe of the faddist and a friend of the fundamentalist 9
  • 10. TRAITS OF A SUCCESSFUL INVESTOR  Don’t feel pain in buying things that are unpopular  Stock price fall for a reason – there is bad news.  Trick is to judge whether market valuation is significantly lower than the intrinsic value.  Think of Mr Market – a manic, depressive, emotional fellow  Mr Market is there to serve you, not to guide you.  Skip Envy  Don’t have to keep up with the returns of the next person you meet  Have an approach that you can live with and stick to  Independent Thinking & Right Temperament  Warren Buffett “My idea of a committee is to look myself in a mirror and make decision”  Think like a Businessman 10
  • 11. MYTHS OF STOCK INVESTING  Myth #1: Investing v/s Speculation  Myth #2: Markets are efficient  Myth #3: Investing is easy  Myth #4: Standard deviation and Beta are good proxy of Risk 11
  • 12. MYTH #1 – INVESTING V/S SPECULATION  Anybody with a brokerage account and money to invest is an investor!  Most of the time people confuse investing with speculating  In short-term the distinction is not apparent because of the role of luck  Investors purchase an asset for the cash flow that it will generate  Returns received are driven by the financial performance of the asset  Returns received are driven by narrowing of the gap between market value and intrinsic value  Speculators purchase asset because they believe other investors will pay more  Returns received are driven based on other actions / gullibility 12
  • 13. MYTH #1 – INVESTING V/S SPECULATION 13
  • 14. MYTH #2 – MARKETS ARE EFFICIENT  Efficient Market Theory says that Markets are always efficient  Hence it is impossible to beat the market (proxy is the Stock Index e.g. S&P 500)  Hence no point in doing Stock Research!  If Markets are always efficient we will not observe the following  Net – Net: Stocks whose market value is less than the Cash on its books net of all liabilities  Debt Capacity Bargains: Market Value of the company is less than the Debt the company can take given its Interest Coverage  Over and under reactions: 1987 stock market crash (20% fall in a day), 2008 Financial Crisis (>50% fall in indices across many parts of the world) 14
  • 15. MYTH #3 – INVESTING IS EASY  Anybody with a brokerage account, money to invest and a “tip” from broker / friend / family is an investor!  In short-term anybody can make a lot of money because of the role of luck  True results are apparent over multiple years (at least 3), ideally multiple decades  Investing requires a few characteristics that human beings find difficult  Herd Mentality: When things are uncertain, humans like to follow the crowd. Leads to “Buying High and Selling Low” in Investing  Macro vs Micro: Most investors focus on Macro economics which is extremely difficult to predict. Macro also allows one to be a celebrity on TV shows and appear knowledgeable  Patience: Investing requires patience to only buy when the price of the company is significantly below its IV. However, that may require waiting for a long time and most people love action  Diligence: Understand the business and buy only at a steep discount. Most “investors” do more research buying a phone/washing machine/etc than buying a stock! 15
  • 16. MYTH #4 – STANDARD DEVIATION AND BETA ARE GOOD PROXY OF RISK  CAPM suggests that higher the Risk, higher the Return  Above implies that if I take Risk I should be well rewarded.  However, if Returns are guaranteed to be high then is it really Risky?  Empirically, higher beta stocks don’t out-perform the indexes  Risk is embedded in how much you know about the business and how confidently you can predict the future outcome  Circle of Competence: The more certain you are about the business outcome the less Risky it is.  Time Horizon: Shorter the time-horizon, higher the Risk. Ben Graham “In the short term markets are a voting machine but in the long-term it is a weighing machine.”  Quality of Business: The higher the likelihood that business can keep earning above average returns, the better the business.  Quality of Management: Is Management looking after minority interest 16
  • 17. VALUE INVESTING IN PRACTICE
  • 18. INVESTMENT APPROACH  Seek superior long-term capital appreciation by investing in best equity ideas Objective  Buy with significant Margin of Safety  Concentrated portfolio  Long-term focus  Identify competitive advantage  Focus on Business & Mgmt Quality  Patience Investment Approach: Value Investing 18
  • 19. INVESTMENT APPROACH  Value Investing  Buy with significant MOS (Margin of Safety)  To increase Return reduce Risk  Warren Buffett rules  Rule #1: Don’t loose money  Rule #2: Don’t forget Rule #1  Concentrated Portfolio  Invest more in our best ideas  Know our positions better than most – extensive diligence initially and ongoing maintenance diligence  Long-term focus  In short-term returns may look volatile. Over long-term, returns dominate volatility  Leads to better decision making – noise is reduced 19
  • 20. INVESTMENT APPROACH  Identify competitive advantage  Contrarian bias: Go where we have a variant perception  Smaller Cap: Areas where there is less analyst coverage  Stronger Balance-sheet: Markets are too focused on earnings  Management and Business Quality  Can’t do a good deal with a bad management  High return businesses with long run-way  Patience  Most ideas take a few years to play out. Short circuiting can reduce returns  Reducing activity reduces expenses thus resulting in better returns 20
  • 21. INVESTMENT PROCESS 1. Idea Generation  Use screening software to find opportunities  High Return on Capital – ROE, ROCE, EBIT/(NFA + WC)  Low Leverage – D:E, Interest coverage  Reasonable valuation – P/E, EV/OCF, EV/EBIT  Good management and business – Rev, PAT, CF growth rate, past return to shareholders  Look at positions of other successful value investors  These positions have already gone through a layer of diligence  Companies with similar themes / ideas as what I am familiar with  Understand the industry / thesis relatively quickly  Continuously search for new trends / opportunities  Revisit old investments that may provide new opportunities 21
  • 22. INVESTMENT PROCESS 2. Idea Investigation  Understand the business  Read last 10AR in the reverse chronological order – from the oldest to the latest  Read Quarterly reports for the last few years  Read research reports & blog postings  Assess how management reacts to questions  Hear investor conference calls & read investor presentation  Listen to management interviews  Summarize key takeaways  Make notes as an idea is investigated.  Assess whether management does what it says it will do  Put aside the notes for a few weeks, come back and read the notes again – ensure we are not being swept away 22
  • 23. INVESTMENT PROCESS 3. Idea Ranking  Once an idea is investigated, it falls in 3 buckets:  Interesting opportunity  Not now: re-visit later if not as compelling  Never: Bad management, improper governance  Interesting opportunities then go through future return analysis  Estimate how the business looks a few years out  Any gaps in assessing the future require further research  Use reasonable assumption to estimate future stock value  Derive forward return based on current and future (expected) price  All existing positions and new ideas are then stack ranked by:  Future Returns CAGR over the next few years  Confidence in the idea (how long I am willing to hold) 23
  • 24. INVESTMENT PROCESS 4. Idea inclusion/addition in portfolio  Once an idea has high future returns v/s existing holdings it is gradually added to the portfolio  This assumes that there is cash available to buy  Percentage allocated to the idea in the portfolio increases as:  Confidence in the idea increases  Market price of the idea falls and future return increases Ideally both happens 5. Position Maintenance  All positions in the portfolio are continuously assessed against other positions in the portfolio with respect to Future Returns  All positions are regularly reviewed for company and sector results and aspects that can impact its value 24
  • 25. INVESTMENT PROCESS 6. Position Selling  Positions are added and sold gradually  Main driver is to have size of the position match with the conviction  Ensure we keep buying and selling reserve  Position is sold if future return of the position is significantly below other options  Better opportunities elsewhere  Stock price increases dramatically  Poor performance of the company which causes future valuation to shrink  Position is also sold if  Company’s management is unfriendly to minority holders  New facts come to light which dramatically changes the value of the company 25
  • 26. ADVANTAGES OF THE PROCESS  Provides a guide post for buying and selling  Set of steps acts as brakes to natural inclination towards activity  Higher price reduces forward return and lower price increases forward return – Thus makes us likely to buy low and sell high  Manage complexity  Comparing tens / hundreds of securities in the investing world becomes easier – look at forward return comparisons  Better prepared to act during times of volatility since forward return provides a good discipline. In the past during these volatile periods I would behave like a “deer caught in the headlights” 26
  • 27. ADVANTAGES OF THE PROCESS  Feedback loop  Making notes, projecting returns and then comparing it with the actual outcomes helps in assessing our analyzing capabilities and being humble!  Discipline to track how the stock and the portfolio does over time v/s our goals is a good way to understand our strengths and weaknesses  Knowledge accumulates  Assessing a previous analyzed company takes a few hours / days of work since we only have to go through our notes  As we analyze a new company we can look at patterns / similarities to other companies that have been previously analyzed thus speeding up the process  Making notes of our mistakes / successes and putting in steps to avoid / leverage them makes us a better investor 27
  • 29. CASE STUDY – STOCK 1  Looked at the stock first in 2011  Co had sold half its business and all the cash had come into the company  Co was selling for <50% of the cash  Co was selling for 60% of the buy back price (buyback in 2010)  Management had great track record of value creation – Over previous 20 yrs CAGR of Sales 29%, PAT 35%, Mkt Cap 40%  Bought in 2011 and kept buying more as conviction grew with management delivering on promises  Stock price is >4X from 2011 buy price  >300% returns over the entire history of buying  Largest position in the portfolio  Management thinking of kicking next leg of value creation – spinning off various businesses  Risk: If something happens to management 29
  • 30. CASE STUDY – STOCK 2  Looked at the stock first in 2015  Co stock had been bought by a prominent investor  Co has a near monopoly in its business in a particular region  Co was reasonably priced (not cheap)  Other competitors in the space were selling at higher multiples  Bought in 2015 and kept buying in 2015 and 2016 as the price kept falling  Stock price has fallen by >40% from the original buy price  Market value and cost are break-even as bought additional stock at lower prices  Stock is quite cheap on various parameters  Expect >100% returns over the next 3 yrs (>26% CAGR)  2nd largest position in the portfolio  Risk: If economy slows down stock will take longer to recover  Chance for permanent loss of capital is very low (close to 0) 30
  • 31. CASE STUDY – STOCK 3  Looked at the stock first in last quarter of 2014  Co had generated around 20% ROE over 5 years  Co had 20%+ CAGR on Revenue and PAT over last 10 years  Co was selling for 3.5X PAT  Other competitors in the space were selling for >10X  Low volume meant that few institutional investors participated  Bought in 2014 Q4 and kept buying in 2015 Q1 and Q2 as the price stagnated or fell some  Stock price is >4X from 2014 buy price  >300% returns over the entire history of buying  3rd largest position in the portfolio  Given the increase in price, monitoring the position closely and would lighten up as I find more compelling opportunities  Risk: If earnings fall in a quarter stock price will follow 31
  • 32. JOURNEY OF A VALUE INVESTOR
  • 33. MOHNISH PABRAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1CH2nK1cM Start from 23:40 – 5 mins video http://fundooprofessor.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/mohnish- pabrai-lecture-mdi/ Start from 3:30 – 5 mins video 33
  • 34. RAJEEV AGRAWAL  Moved back to India from US in 2012  Had read quite a bit on Value Investing  Practiced it in US stocks and dabbled casually in Indian stocks  Indian market looked very different  Real-estate was all the rage – investors owned 1-2-3 houses and on way to buying more  Equities were quite depressed and nobody was talking about them  Started investing in Indian Equity markets  Returns on next page 34
  • 35. RAJEEV AGRAWAL  Good returns since returning from US at the end of 2012  2016 has been volatile so far thus giving us opportunities to invest in interesting ideas  Excited to see what the next 27 years bring! Year Portfolio Returns Sensex Returns Relative Returns CAGR (Sep ‘13 – ‘15) 59.4% 13.0% 46.3% 2013 (Sep ‘13 – Dec ‘13) 10.7% 13.2% -2.5% 2014 89.2% 30.0% 59.2% 2015 52.2% -5.0% 57.3% 35
  • 36. APPENDIX – EQUITY INVESTING
  • 37. CASE FOR EQUITIES  History favors Equities  Returns observed in major markets from 1900 – 2010  Over the last 35 years, Sensex has returned 17% p.a. COUNTRY Equity Return Standard Deviation Bond Return Standard Deviation Australia 9.1% 18.2% 2.3% 13.2% Canada 7.3% 17.2% 2.6% 10.4% France 5.7% 23.5% 0.8% 13.0% Germany 8.1% 32.2% 0.8% 15.7% Japan 8.5% 29.8% 1.6% 20.1% UK 7.2% 20.0% 2.2% 13.7% USA 8.3% 20.3% 2.3% 10.2% 37
  • 38. CASE FOR EQUITIES CONTD…  Tax policy in India favors Equities  0% L-T Tax on Gains for Equities held > 1 year.  15% S-T Tax on Gains for Equities held < 1 year.  Compare this to up to 34% tax for Fixed Income investments.  Helps protect purchasing power  High inflation in India. Equities act as a natural hedge.  Ownership of business that can withstand vagaries of time.  World is getting smaller and India is getting prosperous  Provides participation in upside of business.  Massive migration of people into middle class with higher disposable income. 38
  • 39. APPENDIX – INDIAN LANDSCAPE
  • 40. ASSET WISE BREAK-UP OF WEALTH IN INDIA* ASSET AMOUNT (CR) % Direct Equity 22,73,043 31.1% Fixed Deposit & Bonds 22,16,307 30.3% Insurance 10,46,145 14.3% Savings Bank Deposits 6,75,134 9.2% Small Savings 5,19,162 7.1% Provident Fund 2,81,559 3.9% Mutual Funds 2,77,953 3.8% Alternative Assets 18,575 .3% * From India Wealth Report by Karvy 2010 • Only Considers Financial Assets available to Indian Investor • Physical Assets like Gold and Real Estate have not been considered. 40
  • 41. ASSET CLASS BREAK-UP OF WEALTH* ASSET CLASS AMOUNT (CR) INDIA % GLOBAL % Equities 24,72,626 33.9% 35% Debt 48,12,677 65.8% 58% Alternative Assets 18,575 .3% 7% * From India Wealth Report by Karvy 2010 • Only Considers Financial Assets available to Indian Investor • Physical Assets like Gold and Real Estate have not been considered.  Of the 25 Lakh Crores in Equities, only 5.8 Lakh Crores is invested by Retail Investors. Rest is invested by Promoters.  Thus of the total Financial Wealth, Individual Investors in India only invest 8 – 10% in Equities vs 35% Globally.  Equities as an Asset Class is under-represented. 41