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Dan Steinman, CCO, Gainsight
Presented to: Insight Venture Partners
April 10, 2015
Best Practices in Building
a Customer Success Team
and In Measuring
Customer Success
Housekeeping
• Q&A at the end
• Question or Chat panel on your right
• Recording for colleagues who can’t make it
• All attendees will receive slides
Our Speaker
Dan Steinman
Chief Customer Officer
@dantsteinman
5
3 Learnings
Every CEO Claims 90% Retention
Retention Takes Work
Retention Goes to 11 (> 100%)
MARKET I NG
SAL ES
RETENTI ON
Rethinking the B2B Funnel
MA RK ETING
SALES
SUCCESS
The B2B Hourglass
Me
Bruises Best Practices
1000+ CSM conversations
Top Questions…
1. How should I structure CSM?
2. What should I look for in a VP?
3. How should I measure Customer Success?
4. What should I talk about with my Board?
5. How should I vary my strategy?
6. How can I drive a culture of Customer Success?
The Perfect Org Structure
CEO
CCO
Customer
Marketing
OnBoardingPro SvcsSuccessSupport Training Ops
Sales
1. How Should I Structure CSM?
1. How Should I Structure CSM?
Survey of 100 subscription CEOs – 5/2014
1. How Should I Structure CSM?
Survey of 60 Customer Success Leaders – Jan, 2015
Business Maturity
ProductComplexity
Firefighter
Sales-
Oriented
Service-
Oriented
Integrated
Model
Partnership
Model
1. How Should I Structure CSM?
Own renewals?
Own up-sell?
Individual comp?
Title?
Business Maturity
ProductComplexity
1. How Should I Structure CSM?
Own renewals/upsell?
Onboarding?
Support?
Professional Services
Training?
# of CSMs Required
1 per $500K
1 per $2M
1 per $8M
Variables
1. How Should I Structure CSM?
1. How Should I Structure CSM?
2. What Should I Look for in a VP?
2. What Should I Look for in a VP?
• Responsibilities
• Outcomes
• Customer Lifecycle
• Leadership
• Dirty Hands
• Activities
• Measurement
• Effectiveness and
Efficiency
• Cross-org Success
• Background
• Sales-oriented?
• Support-oriented?
• Relationship-oriented?
• Analytical?
• Technical?
3. How Should I Measure CSM?
• Separating up-sell from churn
• Reporting on both dollars and numbers basis
• Categorizing avoidable versus unavoidable churn
• Analyzing by cohort
• Dividing against renewable dollars, not total
ARR/MRR
Lagging Indicators Leading Indicators
Too Late
Churn
Silence
Churn inquiry
Late payments
No product usage
Frustration
Low NPS scores
Long support TTR
Lots of support cases
Disengaged
Not opening emails
Declining adoption
Sponsor leaves
Success
“Sticky” feature usage
Proven ROI
Increasing adoption
3. How Should I Measure CSM?
3. How Should I Measure CSM?
Survey of 60 Customer Success Leaders – Jan, 2015
3. How Should I Measure CSM?
3. How Should I Measure CSM?
Comp
Survey of 60 Customer Success Leaders – Jan, 2015
4. What To Say To Board?
4. What To Say To Board?
Sales Customer Success
Past Bookings Renewals / Up-Sell
Present Market Share Benchmark
Future Pipeline Health Score
4. What To Say To Board?
1. Batting Average
# Customers
Renewed In Period
÷
# Customers
Renewable In
Period
Are customers
voting with their
signature on the
value of your
product or
service?
Best-in-class:
> 90%
4. What To Say To Board?
2. Headwind
ARR/MRR of churn dollars
including price decreases
and downgrades
÷
Beginning of period
ARR/MRR
How much drag
do you have on
your growth?
Best-in-class:
< 10%
4. What To Say To Board?
3. Tailwind
ARR/MRR of up-sell dollars
including price increases
and upgrades
÷
Beginning of period
ARR/MRR
How much
acceleration do
you have to new
bookings?
Best-in-class:
> 20%
4. What To Say To Board?
4. Net Revenue Retention*
Beginning of period ARR/MRR +
ARR/MRR from tailwind –
ARR/MRR from headwind
÷
Beginning of period ARR/MRR
What’s the net
dollar impact
from Customer
Success?
Best-in-class:
> 120%
4. What To Say To Board?
*Best overall measure of Customer Success
5. Magic Number
ARR/MRR of renewals
in period + ARR/MRR of
up-sells in period
÷
Fully-loaded cost of
Customer Success
team + extended team
What’s the cost-
effectiveness of
Customer
Success?
Best-in-class:
3-5X or higher
4. What To Say To Board?
4. What To Say To Board?
4. What To Say To Board?
Cohorts
4. What To Say To Board?
5. How To Vary Strategy?
5. How To Vary Strategy?
45
Revenue
SuccessMaturity
Adoption
Retention
Expansion
Optimization
Transformation
$1 - $5 MM
$5 - $20 MM
$20 - $100 MM
$100 MM - $1 B
$1 B+
5. How To Vary Strategy?
High
Touch
Low Touch
No Touch
• Revenue or potential revenue?
• Including strategic value?
• Aligning to sales structure?
• Optimizing weightings?
• Accommodating effort in weighting?
• Handling conglomerates?
• Dealing with multiple products?
6. How To Create A Culture?
6. How To Create A Culture?
Do…
Meet users
Talk to front lines
Promote transparent
scoreboard
Define success
Make retention as important
as new biz
Don’t…
Make decisions you’d be
embarrassed about
Disempower your team
Ignore systemic issues
Make critical decisions without
them
Top Questions…
1. How should I structure CSM?
2. What should I look for in a VP?
3. How should I measure Customer Success?
4. What should I talk about with my Board?
5. How should I vary my strategy?
6. How can I drive a culture of Customer Success?
Golden Rule Success for All Child-like Joy
“Gainsight offers a
huge opportunity
for companies
looking for a true
360° view of their
customer.”
Greg Higham
Chief Information Officer
Public SaaS
“We've already
identified about 2,500
Alerts that show upsell
potential or someone
who might advocate
for Adobe EchoSign.”
Amanda Schmidt
VP Client Success
B2B Services
“We save one
customer a year and
the application pays
for itself. After that first
customer, everything
is gravy.”
Kathy Lord
VP Sales & Customer Success
Growth Companies
Tiered Engagement Strategy
High
Touch
Medium Touch
Low Touch
STRATEGY
ENTERPRISE
MID-
MARKET
SMB
SEGMENT
PRO-ACTIVE
(QBR, Best
Practices, etc.)
JUST-IN-TIME
(early warning,
adoption, etc.)
SEMI-
AUTOMATED
(nurture,
webinars, etc.)
Pulse Customer Success Event
5/2014: 900+ attendees, 100+ speakers
Malcolm
Dan
PULSE 2014
What Now?
• Talk to Dan – dsteinman@gainsight.com
• Gainsight Consulting – dsteinman@gainsight.com
• Blogs/papers/University – customersuccess.org
• Pulse – gainsight.com/pulse
What Else?
• Survey coming
• Please share feedback
• Choose which articles you want to receive
Q&A
Dan Steinman
Chief Customer Officer
@dantsteinman
Thanks!

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Customer Success Best Practices for SaaS Retention: Metrics and KSFs for Building a High Performing Customer Success Team

  • 1. Dan Steinman, CCO, Gainsight Presented to: Insight Venture Partners April 10, 2015 Best Practices in Building a Customer Success Team and In Measuring Customer Success
  • 2. Housekeeping • Q&A at the end • Question or Chat panel on your right • Recording for colleagues who can’t make it • All attendees will receive slides
  • 3. Our Speaker Dan Steinman Chief Customer Officer @dantsteinman
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  • 6. Every CEO Claims 90% Retention
  • 8. Retention Goes to 11 (> 100%)
  • 9.
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  • 11. MARKET I NG SAL ES RETENTI ON Rethinking the B2B Funnel
  • 13. Me Bruises Best Practices 1000+ CSM conversations
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  • 15. Top Questions… 1. How should I structure CSM? 2. What should I look for in a VP? 3. How should I measure Customer Success? 4. What should I talk about with my Board? 5. How should I vary my strategy? 6. How can I drive a culture of Customer Success?
  • 16. The Perfect Org Structure CEO CCO Customer Marketing OnBoardingPro SvcsSuccessSupport Training Ops Sales
  • 17. 1. How Should I Structure CSM?
  • 18. 1. How Should I Structure CSM? Survey of 100 subscription CEOs – 5/2014
  • 19. 1. How Should I Structure CSM? Survey of 60 Customer Success Leaders – Jan, 2015
  • 21. Business Maturity ProductComplexity 1. How Should I Structure CSM? Own renewals/upsell? Onboarding? Support? Professional Services Training? # of CSMs Required 1 per $500K 1 per $2M 1 per $8M Variables
  • 22. 1. How Should I Structure CSM?
  • 23. 1. How Should I Structure CSM?
  • 24. 2. What Should I Look for in a VP?
  • 25. 2. What Should I Look for in a VP? • Responsibilities • Outcomes • Customer Lifecycle • Leadership • Dirty Hands • Activities • Measurement • Effectiveness and Efficiency • Cross-org Success • Background • Sales-oriented? • Support-oriented? • Relationship-oriented? • Analytical? • Technical?
  • 26.
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  • 28. 3. How Should I Measure CSM? • Separating up-sell from churn • Reporting on both dollars and numbers basis • Categorizing avoidable versus unavoidable churn • Analyzing by cohort • Dividing against renewable dollars, not total ARR/MRR
  • 29. Lagging Indicators Leading Indicators Too Late Churn Silence Churn inquiry Late payments No product usage Frustration Low NPS scores Long support TTR Lots of support cases Disengaged Not opening emails Declining adoption Sponsor leaves Success “Sticky” feature usage Proven ROI Increasing adoption 3. How Should I Measure CSM?
  • 30. 3. How Should I Measure CSM? Survey of 60 Customer Success Leaders – Jan, 2015
  • 31. 3. How Should I Measure CSM?
  • 32. 3. How Should I Measure CSM? Comp Survey of 60 Customer Success Leaders – Jan, 2015
  • 33. 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 34. 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 35. Sales Customer Success Past Bookings Renewals / Up-Sell Present Market Share Benchmark Future Pipeline Health Score 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 36. 1. Batting Average # Customers Renewed In Period ÷ # Customers Renewable In Period Are customers voting with their signature on the value of your product or service? Best-in-class: > 90% 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 37. 2. Headwind ARR/MRR of churn dollars including price decreases and downgrades ÷ Beginning of period ARR/MRR How much drag do you have on your growth? Best-in-class: < 10% 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 38. 3. Tailwind ARR/MRR of up-sell dollars including price increases and upgrades ÷ Beginning of period ARR/MRR How much acceleration do you have to new bookings? Best-in-class: > 20% 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 39. 4. Net Revenue Retention* Beginning of period ARR/MRR + ARR/MRR from tailwind – ARR/MRR from headwind ÷ Beginning of period ARR/MRR What’s the net dollar impact from Customer Success? Best-in-class: > 120% 4. What To Say To Board? *Best overall measure of Customer Success
  • 40. 5. Magic Number ARR/MRR of renewals in period + ARR/MRR of up-sells in period ÷ Fully-loaded cost of Customer Success team + extended team What’s the cost- effectiveness of Customer Success? Best-in-class: 3-5X or higher 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 41. 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 42. 4. What To Say To Board? Cohorts
  • 43. 4. What To Say To Board?
  • 44. 5. How To Vary Strategy?
  • 45. 5. How To Vary Strategy? 45 Revenue SuccessMaturity Adoption Retention Expansion Optimization Transformation $1 - $5 MM $5 - $20 MM $20 - $100 MM $100 MM - $1 B $1 B+
  • 46. 5. How To Vary Strategy? High Touch Low Touch No Touch • Revenue or potential revenue? • Including strategic value? • Aligning to sales structure? • Optimizing weightings? • Accommodating effort in weighting? • Handling conglomerates? • Dealing with multiple products?
  • 47. 6. How To Create A Culture?
  • 48. 6. How To Create A Culture? Do… Meet users Talk to front lines Promote transparent scoreboard Define success Make retention as important as new biz Don’t… Make decisions you’d be embarrassed about Disempower your team Ignore systemic issues Make critical decisions without them
  • 49.
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  • 51. Top Questions… 1. How should I structure CSM? 2. What should I look for in a VP? 3. How should I measure Customer Success? 4. What should I talk about with my Board? 5. How should I vary my strategy? 6. How can I drive a culture of Customer Success?
  • 52. Golden Rule Success for All Child-like Joy
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  • 54. “Gainsight offers a huge opportunity for companies looking for a true 360° view of their customer.” Greg Higham Chief Information Officer Public SaaS “We've already identified about 2,500 Alerts that show upsell potential or someone who might advocate for Adobe EchoSign.” Amanda Schmidt VP Client Success B2B Services “We save one customer a year and the application pays for itself. After that first customer, everything is gravy.” Kathy Lord VP Sales & Customer Success Growth Companies
  • 55. Tiered Engagement Strategy High Touch Medium Touch Low Touch STRATEGY ENTERPRISE MID- MARKET SMB SEGMENT PRO-ACTIVE (QBR, Best Practices, etc.) JUST-IN-TIME (early warning, adoption, etc.) SEMI- AUTOMATED (nurture, webinars, etc.)
  • 56. Pulse Customer Success Event 5/2014: 900+ attendees, 100+ speakers
  • 58. What Now? • Talk to Dan – dsteinman@gainsight.com • Gainsight Consulting – dsteinman@gainsight.com • Blogs/papers/University – customersuccess.org • Pulse – gainsight.com/pulse
  • 59. What Else? • Survey coming • Please share feedback • Choose which articles you want to receive
  • 60. Q&A Dan Steinman Chief Customer Officer @dantsteinman

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  2. And heck – our company claimed a 97% retention rate, so I figured it would be smooth sailing. What I didn’t realize is: Every company claims a 90-something retention rate Customer retention doesn’t just take care of itself Eventually, I learned that sales was only the beginning of the story in SaaS. Managing retention, renewals, references and the rest of what recurring revenue required became a big part of my day, in partnership with our awesome Client Services team. In SaaS, product and sales aren’t enough. For once, I learned that my dad’s advice was wrong. Well, that wasn’t the only time. After a happy ending to the story with the sale of our company to Symantec, I met Gainsight. When I heard about the opportunity to become part of this massive Customer Success movement, it was a no-brainer
  3. And heck – our company claimed a 97% retention rate, so I figured it would be smooth sailing. What I didn’t realize is: Every company claims a 90-something retention rate Customer retention doesn’t just take care of itself Eventually, I learned that sales was only the beginning of the story in SaaS. Managing retention, renewals, references and the rest of what recurring revenue required became a big part of my day, in partnership with our awesome Client Services team. In SaaS, product and sales aren’t enough. For once, I learned that my dad’s advice was wrong. Well, that wasn’t the only time. After a happy ending to the story with the sale of our company to Symantec, I met Gainsight. When I heard about the opportunity to become part of this massive Customer Success movement, it was a no-brainer
  4. And heck – our company claimed a 97% retention rate, so I figured it would be smooth sailing. What I didn’t realize is: Every company claims a 90-something retention rate Customer retention doesn’t just take care of itself Eventually, I learned that sales was only the beginning of the story in SaaS. Managing retention, renewals, references and the rest of what recurring revenue required became a big part of my day, in partnership with our awesome Client Services team. In SaaS, product and sales aren’t enough. For once, I learned that my dad’s advice was wrong. Well, that wasn’t the only time. After a happy ending to the story with the sale of our company to Symantec, I met Gainsight. When I heard about the opportunity to become part of this massive Customer Success movement, it was a no-brainer
  5. And heck – our company claimed a 97% retention rate, so I figured it would be smooth sailing. What I didn’t realize is: Every company claims a 90-something retention rate Customer retention doesn’t just take care of itself Eventually, I learned that sales was only the beginning of the story in SaaS. Managing retention, renewals, references and the rest of what recurring revenue required became a big part of my day, in partnership with our awesome Client Services team. In SaaS, product and sales aren’t enough. For once, I learned that my dad’s advice was wrong. Well, that wasn’t the only time. After a happy ending to the story with the sale of our company to Symantec, I met Gainsight. When I heard about the opportunity to become part of this massive Customer Success movement, it was a no-brainer
  6. Gainsight has three core values and principles which we are beholded to. Golden Rule – Do onto others Success for all – including Employees, Customers and Partners Child Like Joy – we love what we do and strive to have fun in everything we do This is what sets Gainsight apart from a lot of other tech companies. On a personal note, I recently left the world of strategy & IT consulting to join Gainsight and looked at a lot of great technology companies. What wowed me was Gainsight’s passion and values. We hope to work together and show you firsthand.
  7. Nick: we know they have “Sales Execs” who cover their enterprise accounts, and Account mgrs cover midmarket and SMB Type of customers are: Institutional healthcare providers (including hospitals, health systems, integrated delivery networks, clinics and alternate site providers). Retail national accounts (including national and regional chains, food/drug combinations, mail order pharmacies and mass merchandisers);  Independent retail pharmacies
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