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Talking about work




         Trainer: Insert name here
Aim of today


  To provide [Employment Specialists] with a
  short training session to be able to support
    recovery teams with understanding the
   importance of asking clients about their
  aspirations for work as early as possible in
              their work with them.
Learning Outcomes
For participants to:
   Understand the context of why we should ask clients about work

   Understand the importance of asking clients about work as early as
    possible

   Reflect on why we may not ask clients about work

   Establish ways of asking clients about work

   Have an opportunity to discuss good practice ways of asking clients
    about work
The Context
The Context
Why do we need to ask clients about work?

      Evidence shows that appropriate work is good for a
   person’s health & wellbeing as well as employment being
  the most important means of obtaining adequate economic
   resources which are essential for material well being and
    participation in society (Waddell & Burton 2006; Rinaldi, Miller Perkins 2010)


     Many of us here may agree with this and believe that
  people with mental health problems can work but if I asked
    you to think about your caseloads I wonder how many
             names you could give? (Marwaha, et al 2008)
The Context

What are client priorities really?

   Priorities for people with mental health problems are often
    more about finding suitable accommodation, getting a job
   and establishing relationships than receiving mental health
               interventions (Shepherd, Murray & Muijen 1995).


   In fact research suggests that 70- 90% consistently say they
                 want to work (Grove 1999; Secker et al 2001),
The Context

Question:



   “So why might it be hard to ask clients about their work
                         aspirations?”
The Context

Reasons for not asking:
   It might make someone unwell or cause a relapse

   They might be financially worse off than on benefits

   Trying to get a job & failing would negatively effect health
    and finances

   The person may have to disclose their mental health problem
    causing discrimination
The Practice
The Practice
What traditional models say:

   Mental health conditions are ‘illnesses’ and as with other
    illnesses people should refrain from work and receive
    treatment until they are better and ready to work again

   Until people are better they should receive care and be
    relieved of responsibilities
                          Once better,

   work rehabilitation should be offered in a ‘train then place’
    fashion: starting the journey back to work in a safe,
    sheltered/ segregated setting to develop skills and
    confidence before moving to competitive employment (Rinaldi
    et al 2010).
The Practice
Making asking easier: The Employment Specialist:

   Benefits advice offered to all
   managing personal information statements
   Employment specialists are integrated into teams:

                                So;

    they see the client most frequently and could alert the
    clinicians to any early warning signs.
The Practice
When asking for the first time:

   Try not to encourage the person in either direction

   Take your time

   Offer benefits planning meeting (dispels misconceptions)

   Rating scales can be useful (e.g. Why did you select a 5? why 3 not 1?)

   Design a next step
The Practice
When asking on an ongoing basis:
   Ask about job preferences (What’s your dream job? What did you want to do at
    school?)

   Ask about their work history (What was your favourite job? Why?)

   Ask if they know others who are working (What do they do?)

   Ask them to describe their life 5 years from now (Where will you be living?
    How will you be spending your days?)

   Repeat the worksheet from time to time – Compare with previous
    work sheets (How have things changed?)

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Talking about work

  • 1. Talking about work Trainer: Insert name here
  • 2. Aim of today To provide [Employment Specialists] with a short training session to be able to support recovery teams with understanding the importance of asking clients about their aspirations for work as early as possible in their work with them.
  • 3. Learning Outcomes For participants to:  Understand the context of why we should ask clients about work  Understand the importance of asking clients about work as early as possible  Reflect on why we may not ask clients about work  Establish ways of asking clients about work  Have an opportunity to discuss good practice ways of asking clients about work
  • 5. The Context Why do we need to ask clients about work? Evidence shows that appropriate work is good for a person’s health & wellbeing as well as employment being the most important means of obtaining adequate economic resources which are essential for material well being and participation in society (Waddell & Burton 2006; Rinaldi, Miller Perkins 2010) Many of us here may agree with this and believe that people with mental health problems can work but if I asked you to think about your caseloads I wonder how many names you could give? (Marwaha, et al 2008)
  • 6. The Context What are client priorities really? Priorities for people with mental health problems are often more about finding suitable accommodation, getting a job and establishing relationships than receiving mental health interventions (Shepherd, Murray & Muijen 1995). In fact research suggests that 70- 90% consistently say they want to work (Grove 1999; Secker et al 2001),
  • 7. The Context Question: “So why might it be hard to ask clients about their work aspirations?”
  • 8. The Context Reasons for not asking:  It might make someone unwell or cause a relapse  They might be financially worse off than on benefits  Trying to get a job & failing would negatively effect health and finances  The person may have to disclose their mental health problem causing discrimination
  • 10. The Practice What traditional models say:  Mental health conditions are ‘illnesses’ and as with other illnesses people should refrain from work and receive treatment until they are better and ready to work again  Until people are better they should receive care and be relieved of responsibilities Once better,  work rehabilitation should be offered in a ‘train then place’ fashion: starting the journey back to work in a safe, sheltered/ segregated setting to develop skills and confidence before moving to competitive employment (Rinaldi et al 2010).
  • 11. The Practice Making asking easier: The Employment Specialist:  Benefits advice offered to all  managing personal information statements  Employment specialists are integrated into teams: So; they see the client most frequently and could alert the clinicians to any early warning signs.
  • 12. The Practice When asking for the first time:  Try not to encourage the person in either direction  Take your time  Offer benefits planning meeting (dispels misconceptions)  Rating scales can be useful (e.g. Why did you select a 5? why 3 not 1?)  Design a next step
  • 13. The Practice When asking on an ongoing basis:  Ask about job preferences (What’s your dream job? What did you want to do at school?)  Ask about their work history (What was your favourite job? Why?)  Ask if they know others who are working (What do they do?)  Ask them to describe their life 5 years from now (Where will you be living? How will you be spending your days?)  Repeat the worksheet from time to time – Compare with previous work sheets (How have things changed?)