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You Were Created
To Become Like
Christ
Transformed
by Trouble
For our light and momentary troubles
are achieving for us an eternal glory that
far outweighs them all.
2 Cor 4:17
ā€œIt is the ļ¬re of suffering that brings forth
the gold of godlinessā€
Madame Guyon
36 Purposes of God in Our Suļ¬€ering
Joni Eareckson Tada: The following list of Godā€™s purposes in our
suļ¬€ering is from one of the appendices in a book she wrote.
Suļ¬€ering is used to increase our awareness of the sustaining power
of God to whom we owe our sustenance (Ps 68:19).
God uses suļ¬€ering to reļ¬ne, perfect, strengthen, and keep us from
falling (Ps 66:8-9; Heb 2:10).
Suļ¬€ering allows the life of Christ to be manifested in our mortal
ļ¬‚esh (2 Cor 4:7-11).
Suļ¬€ering bankrupts us, making us dependent upon God (2 Cor
12:9).
Suļ¬€ering teaches us humility (2 Cor 12:7).
Suļ¬€ering imparts the mind of Christ (Phil 2:1-11).
Suļ¬€ering teaches us that God is more concerned about character
than comfort (Rom 5:3-4; Heb 12:10-11).
Suļ¬€ering teaches us that the greatest good of the Christian life is
not absence of pain, but Christlikeness (2 Cor 4:8-10; Rom
8:28-29).
Suļ¬€ering can be a chastisement from God for sin and rebellion (Ps
107:17).
Obedience and self-control are from suļ¬€ering (Heb 5:8; Ps 119:67;
Rom 5:1-5; James 1:2-8; Phil 3:10).
Voluntary suļ¬€ering is one way to demonstrate the love of God (2
Cor 8:1-2, 9).
Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle against sin (Heb 12:4-13).
Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle against evil men (Ps 27:12;
37:14-15).
Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle for the kingdom of God (2 Thess
1:5).
Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle for the gospel (2 Tim 2:8-9).
Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle against injustice (1 Pet 2:19).
Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle for the name of Christ (Acts 5:41; 1
Pet 4:14).
Suļ¬€ering indicates how the righteous become sharers in Christā€™s
suļ¬€ering (2 Cor 1:5; 1 Pet 4:12-13).
Endurance of suļ¬€ering is given as a cause for reward (2 Cor 4:17; 2
Tim 2:12).
Suļ¬€ering forces community and the administration of the gifts for
the common good (Phil 4:12-15).
Suļ¬€ering binds Christians together into a common or joint purpose
(Rev 1:9).
Suļ¬€ering produces discernment, knowledge, and teaches us Godā€™s
statutes (Ps 119:66-67, 71).
Through suļ¬€ering God is able to obtain our broken and contrite
spirit which He desires (Ps 51:16-17).
Suļ¬€ering causes us to discipline our minds by making us focus our
hope on the grace to be revealed at the revelation of Jesus Christ (1
Pet 1:6, 13).
God uses suļ¬€ering to humble us so He can exalt us at the proper
time (1 Pet 5:6-7).
Suļ¬€ering teaches us to number our days so we can present to God
a heart of wisdom (Ps 90:7-12).
Suļ¬€ering is sometimes necessary to win the lost (2 Tim 2:8-10;
4:5-6).
Suļ¬€ering strengthens and allows us to comfort others who are weak
(2 Cor 1:3-11).
Suļ¬€ering is small compared to the surpassing value of knowing
Christ (Phil 3:8).
God desires truth in our innermost being and one way He does it is
through suļ¬€ering (Ps 51:6; 119:17).
The equity for suļ¬€ering will be found in the next life (Ps 58:10-11).
Suļ¬€ering is always coupled with a greater source of grace (2 Tim
1:7-8; 4:16-18).
Suļ¬€ering teaches us to give thanks in times of sorrow (1 Thess
5:17; 2 Cor 1:11).
Suļ¬€ering increases faith (Jer 29:11).
Suļ¬€ering allows God to manifest His care (Ps 56:8).
Suļ¬€ering stretches our hope (Job 13:14-15).
God has a purpose
behind every
problem
Rom 8:28-29
And we know that in all things God
works for the good of those who love
him, who have been called according
to his purpose. For those God
foreknew he also predestined to be
conformed to the likeness of his Son,
that he might be the ļ¬rstborn among
many brothers.
God uses circumstances to
develop our character.
He depends more on
circumstances than on our Bible
reading - because you face
circumstances 24 hours a day.
John 16:33 - Jesusā€™ words
"I have told you these things, so
that in me you may have peace.
In this world you will have
trouble. But take heart! I have
overcome the world."
No one is immune to pain, insulated from suļ¬€ering,
no one gets a problem free life. Not all problems
are big, but all are signiļ¬cant in Godā€™s growth
process for you.
1 Peter 4:12
Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial
you are suļ¬€ering, as though something strange
were happening to you.
Psalm 34:18 - God uses them to draw you to him
The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves
those who are crushed in spirit.
Rick Warren suggests that in darkest days
we experience our deepest, most profound
and intimate times of worship. During
suļ¬€ering we learn to pray our most
authentic, heartfelt, honest-to-God prayers
- when we are in pain we donā€™t have the
energy for superļ¬cial prayers.
ā€œWhen life is rosy, we may slide
by knowing about Jesus, with
imitating him and quoting him
and speaking of him. But only in
suļ¬€ering will we know Jesusā€
Joni Eareckson Tada
Joseph - in jail, Daniel - in the
lions den, Jeremiah - in the well,
Paul - 3 shipwrecks
God could have stopped them all
- but he didnā€™t
All of them happened so the
people might draw closer to him
2 Cor 1:9 Indeed, in our hearts
we felt the sentence of death.
But this happened that we might
not rely on ourselves but on God,
who raises the dead.
None of your problems
happen without Godā€™s
permission - he intends
it for good.
Every day of your life
was written on Godā€™s
calendar before you
were born - ps 139:16 -
everything that happens
to you has a spiritual
signiļ¬cance
Understanding Romans 8:28-29
Rom 8:28-29
And we know that in all things God
works for the good of those who love
him, who have been called according to
his purpose. For those God foreknew he
also predestined to be conformed to the
likeness of his Son, that he might be the
ļ¬rstborn among many brothers.
Understanding Romans 8:28-29
It does not say,
God causes everything to work out the way I
want it to,
God causes everything to have a happy
ending here on earth.
Only in heaven will we see everything perfect the
way God intended it to be - hence we pray,
ā€œyour will be doneā€
We know - not positive
thinking but a knowledge that
God is in control
That God causes - life is not
a random series of events -
God is behind it all planning
and purposing - God does
not make mistakes, even if we
do
Everything - all that happens,
mistakes, sins, hurts, illness,
debt, disasters etc.
To work together -
interwoven, not
separately - all parts of
your life are
interdependent - the
ingredients in a cake
might taste terrible on
their own but mixed and
cooked they are
delicious
For the good - not that
everything in life is good, but
God brings good out of it - 4
women in the genealogy of
Christ:
Tamar seduced her father in
law to get pregnant
Rahab was a prostitute
Ruth was not even Jeiwsh and
broke the law by marrying a
Jewish man
Bathsheba committed adultery
God brings good out of bad
things - his purpose is greater
than our pain, problems or sin
Of those who love God and
are called - only for the
children of God - if you are not
part of Godā€™s family it will work
for bad
According to his purpose -
which is?
Become like his Son - the
supreme purpose of God in
your life
Building Christlike Character
God will use whatever tool is
appropriate to shape your life -
every problem is a chance for
him to work on your character
Not only so, but we also
rejoice in our suļ¬€erings,
because we know that
suļ¬€ering produces
perseverance; perseverance,
character; and character,
hope.
These have come so that your
faithā€”of greater worth than
gold, which perishes even
though reļ¬ned by ļ¬reā€”may be
proved genuine and may result
in praise, glory and honor
when Jesus Christ is revealed.
How does a silversmith know
when silver is pure? When he
can see his face reļ¬‚ected in it.
You know that under pressure,
your faith-life is forced into the
open and shows its true
colors.
ā€œHe will sit as a reļ¬ner and puriļ¬er of silverā€¦ā€
Malachi 3:3
This verse puzzled a group in a Bible study and
they wondered what this statement meant about
the character and nature of God. Ā One of them
oļ¬€ered to ļ¬nd out the process of reļ¬ning silver and
get back to the group at their next Bible Study.
That week, the woman called a silversmith and
made an appointment to watch him at work. Ā She
didnā€™t mention anything about the reason for her
interest beyond her curiosity about the process of
reļ¬ning Silver.
As she watched the silversmith, he held a piece of
silver over the ļ¬re and let it heat up. He explained
that in reļ¬ning silver, one needed to hold the silver
in the middle of the ļ¬re where the ļ¬‚ames were
hottest as to burn away all the impurities.
The woman thought about God holding us in such
a hot spot; then she thought again about the verse
that says: ā€˜He sits as a reļ¬ner and puriļ¬er of silver.ā€™
She asked the silversmith if it was true that he had
to sit there in front of the ļ¬re the whole time the
silver was being reļ¬ned.
The man answered that Yes, he not
only had to sit there holding the
silver, but he had to keep his eyes on
the silver the entire time it was in the
ļ¬re. If the silver was left a moment
too long in the ļ¬‚ames, it would be
destroyed.
The woman was silent for a moment.
Then she asked the silversmith, ā€˜How
do you know when the silver is fully
reļ¬ned?ā€™
He smiled at her and answered, ā€˜Oh,
thatā€™s easy ā€” when I see my image
in it.ā€™
Author Unknown
As God intends you to look like
Jesus it should be expected he
will take you through some of
the same experiences -
loneliness, temptation, criticism,
rejection etc.
Although he was a son, he
learned obedience from what
he suļ¬€ered and, once made
perfect, he became the source
of eternal salvation for all who
obey him
Hebrew 5:8-9
And we know we are going
to get what's coming to us
ā€”an unbelievable
inheritance! We go through
exactly what Christ goes
through. If we go through
the hard times with him,
then we're certainly going
to go through the good
times with him!
Romans 8:16-17 TM
Responding to problems as
Jesus would
How you respond to a
problem matters - a
problem doesnā€™t
automatically produce
what God intends.
Some people grow bitter
not better.
You have to respond as
Jesus would
Responding to problems as
Jesus would
How you respond to a
problem matters - a
problem doesnā€™t
automatically produce
what God intends.
Some people grow bitter
not better.
You have to respond as
Jesus would
Remember Godā€™s plan is good
Jer 29:13
Gen 50:20
Hezekiah reļ¬‚ecting on his
illness, Isa 38:17
Surely it was for my beneļ¬t
that I suļ¬€ered such
anguish. In your love you
kept me from the pit of
destruction; you have put
all my sins behind your
back.
Heb 12:10 Our fathers disciplined
us for a little while as they thought
best; but God disciplines us for our
good, that we may share in his
holiness.
Keep focussed on Godā€™s plan not
the pain or problem - endurance
needs us to know that the pain or
problem is only temporary and our
reward eternal
For our light and momentary
troubles are achieving for us an
eternal glory that far outweighs
them all. 2 Cor 4:17
ā€œIf you look at the
world, youā€™ll be
distressed. If you
look within, youā€™ll
be depressed. But if
you look at Christ,
youā€™ll be at rest.ā€
Corrie ten Boom
Rejoice and give thanks
1 Thess. 5:18 give thanks in
all circumstances, for this is
God's will for you in Christ
Jesus.
Php. 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord
always. I will say it again:
Rejoice!
Remember God is intimately
involved with us - rejoice he is
with us in the pain
Refuse to give up
Ā Jas 1:2-4 Consider it a
sheer gift, friends, when tests
and challenges come at you
from all sides. You know that
under pressure, your faith-life
is forced into the open and
shows its true colors. So
don't try to get out of
anything prematurely. Let it
do its work so you become
mature and well-developed,
not deļ¬cient in any way.
Character building is a slow
process - but if you try to avoid
diļ¬ƒculties we delay our growth and
end up in a form of denial.
Donā€™t pray , ā€œGod comfort meā€
Do pray, ā€œGod conform meā€
Donā€™t give up - grow up.
Heb 10:36 You need to persevere
so that when you have done the
will of God, you will receive what he
has promised.
Key Verse
Rom 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the
good of those who love him, who have been called
according to his purpose.
Key Question
What problem in my life has caused the greatest
growth in me?
Cheerio
...for
now

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601 SFL - Essential discipleship 4

  • 1. You Were Created To Become Like Christ
  • 3. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 2 Cor 4:17 ā€œIt is the ļ¬re of suffering that brings forth the gold of godlinessā€ Madame Guyon
  • 4. 36 Purposes of God in Our Suļ¬€ering Joni Eareckson Tada: The following list of Godā€™s purposes in our suļ¬€ering is from one of the appendices in a book she wrote. Suļ¬€ering is used to increase our awareness of the sustaining power of God to whom we owe our sustenance (Ps 68:19). God uses suļ¬€ering to reļ¬ne, perfect, strengthen, and keep us from falling (Ps 66:8-9; Heb 2:10). Suļ¬€ering allows the life of Christ to be manifested in our mortal ļ¬‚esh (2 Cor 4:7-11). Suļ¬€ering bankrupts us, making us dependent upon God (2 Cor 12:9). Suļ¬€ering teaches us humility (2 Cor 12:7). Suļ¬€ering imparts the mind of Christ (Phil 2:1-11).
  • 5. Suļ¬€ering teaches us that God is more concerned about character than comfort (Rom 5:3-4; Heb 12:10-11). Suļ¬€ering teaches us that the greatest good of the Christian life is not absence of pain, but Christlikeness (2 Cor 4:8-10; Rom 8:28-29). Suļ¬€ering can be a chastisement from God for sin and rebellion (Ps 107:17). Obedience and self-control are from suļ¬€ering (Heb 5:8; Ps 119:67; Rom 5:1-5; James 1:2-8; Phil 3:10). Voluntary suļ¬€ering is one way to demonstrate the love of God (2 Cor 8:1-2, 9). Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle against sin (Heb 12:4-13). Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle against evil men (Ps 27:12; 37:14-15).
  • 6. Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle for the kingdom of God (2 Thess 1:5). Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle for the gospel (2 Tim 2:8-9). Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle against injustice (1 Pet 2:19). Suļ¬€ering is part of the struggle for the name of Christ (Acts 5:41; 1 Pet 4:14). Suļ¬€ering indicates how the righteous become sharers in Christā€™s suļ¬€ering (2 Cor 1:5; 1 Pet 4:12-13). Endurance of suļ¬€ering is given as a cause for reward (2 Cor 4:17; 2 Tim 2:12). Suļ¬€ering forces community and the administration of the gifts for the common good (Phil 4:12-15). Suļ¬€ering binds Christians together into a common or joint purpose (Rev 1:9).
  • 7. Suļ¬€ering produces discernment, knowledge, and teaches us Godā€™s statutes (Ps 119:66-67, 71). Through suļ¬€ering God is able to obtain our broken and contrite spirit which He desires (Ps 51:16-17). Suļ¬€ering causes us to discipline our minds by making us focus our hope on the grace to be revealed at the revelation of Jesus Christ (1 Pet 1:6, 13). God uses suļ¬€ering to humble us so He can exalt us at the proper time (1 Pet 5:6-7). Suļ¬€ering teaches us to number our days so we can present to God a heart of wisdom (Ps 90:7-12). Suļ¬€ering is sometimes necessary to win the lost (2 Tim 2:8-10; 4:5-6).
  • 8. Suļ¬€ering strengthens and allows us to comfort others who are weak (2 Cor 1:3-11). Suļ¬€ering is small compared to the surpassing value of knowing Christ (Phil 3:8). God desires truth in our innermost being and one way He does it is through suļ¬€ering (Ps 51:6; 119:17). The equity for suļ¬€ering will be found in the next life (Ps 58:10-11). Suļ¬€ering is always coupled with a greater source of grace (2 Tim 1:7-8; 4:16-18). Suļ¬€ering teaches us to give thanks in times of sorrow (1 Thess 5:17; 2 Cor 1:11). Suļ¬€ering increases faith (Jer 29:11). Suļ¬€ering allows God to manifest His care (Ps 56:8). Suļ¬€ering stretches our hope (Job 13:14-15).
  • 9. God has a purpose behind every problem
  • 10. Rom 8:28-29 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the ļ¬rstborn among many brothers.
  • 11. God uses circumstances to develop our character. He depends more on circumstances than on our Bible reading - because you face circumstances 24 hours a day. John 16:33 - Jesusā€™ words "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
  • 12. No one is immune to pain, insulated from suļ¬€ering, no one gets a problem free life. Not all problems are big, but all are signiļ¬cant in Godā€™s growth process for you. 1 Peter 4:12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suļ¬€ering, as though something strange were happening to you. Psalm 34:18 - God uses them to draw you to him The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
  • 13. Rick Warren suggests that in darkest days we experience our deepest, most profound and intimate times of worship. During suļ¬€ering we learn to pray our most authentic, heartfelt, honest-to-God prayers - when we are in pain we donā€™t have the energy for superļ¬cial prayers.
  • 14. ā€œWhen life is rosy, we may slide by knowing about Jesus, with imitating him and quoting him and speaking of him. But only in suļ¬€ering will we know Jesusā€ Joni Eareckson Tada
  • 15. Joseph - in jail, Daniel - in the lions den, Jeremiah - in the well, Paul - 3 shipwrecks God could have stopped them all - but he didnā€™t All of them happened so the people might draw closer to him 2 Cor 1:9 Indeed, in our hearts we felt the sentence of death. But this happened that we might not rely on ourselves but on God, who raises the dead.
  • 16. None of your problems happen without Godā€™s permission - he intends it for good. Every day of your life was written on Godā€™s calendar before you were born - ps 139:16 - everything that happens to you has a spiritual signiļ¬cance
  • 17. Understanding Romans 8:28-29 Rom 8:28-29 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the ļ¬rstborn among many brothers.
  • 18. Understanding Romans 8:28-29 It does not say, God causes everything to work out the way I want it to, God causes everything to have a happy ending here on earth. Only in heaven will we see everything perfect the way God intended it to be - hence we pray, ā€œyour will be doneā€
  • 19. We know - not positive thinking but a knowledge that God is in control That God causes - life is not a random series of events - God is behind it all planning and purposing - God does not make mistakes, even if we do Everything - all that happens, mistakes, sins, hurts, illness, debt, disasters etc.
  • 20. To work together - interwoven, not separately - all parts of your life are interdependent - the ingredients in a cake might taste terrible on their own but mixed and cooked they are delicious
  • 21.
  • 22. For the good - not that everything in life is good, but God brings good out of it - 4 women in the genealogy of Christ: Tamar seduced her father in law to get pregnant Rahab was a prostitute Ruth was not even Jeiwsh and broke the law by marrying a Jewish man Bathsheba committed adultery God brings good out of bad things - his purpose is greater than our pain, problems or sin
  • 23.
  • 24. Of those who love God and are called - only for the children of God - if you are not part of Godā€™s family it will work for bad According to his purpose - which is? Become like his Son - the supreme purpose of God in your life
  • 25. Building Christlike Character God will use whatever tool is appropriate to shape your life - every problem is a chance for him to work on your character Not only so, but we also rejoice in our suļ¬€erings, because we know that suļ¬€ering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope.
  • 26. These have come so that your faithā€”of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though reļ¬ned by ļ¬reā€”may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. How does a silversmith know when silver is pure? When he can see his face reļ¬‚ected in it. You know that under pressure, your faith-life is forced into the open and shows its true colors.
  • 27. ā€œHe will sit as a reļ¬ner and puriļ¬er of silverā€¦ā€ Malachi 3:3 This verse puzzled a group in a Bible study and they wondered what this statement meant about the character and nature of God. Ā One of them oļ¬€ered to ļ¬nd out the process of reļ¬ning silver and get back to the group at their next Bible Study. That week, the woman called a silversmith and made an appointment to watch him at work. Ā She didnā€™t mention anything about the reason for her interest beyond her curiosity about the process of reļ¬ning Silver.
  • 28. As she watched the silversmith, he held a piece of silver over the ļ¬re and let it heat up. He explained that in reļ¬ning silver, one needed to hold the silver in the middle of the ļ¬re where the ļ¬‚ames were hottest as to burn away all the impurities. The woman thought about God holding us in such a hot spot; then she thought again about the verse that says: ā€˜He sits as a reļ¬ner and puriļ¬er of silver.ā€™ She asked the silversmith if it was true that he had to sit there in front of the ļ¬re the whole time the silver was being reļ¬ned.
  • 29. The man answered that Yes, he not only had to sit there holding the silver, but he had to keep his eyes on the silver the entire time it was in the ļ¬re. If the silver was left a moment too long in the ļ¬‚ames, it would be destroyed. The woman was silent for a moment. Then she asked the silversmith, ā€˜How do you know when the silver is fully reļ¬ned?ā€™ He smiled at her and answered, ā€˜Oh, thatā€™s easy ā€” when I see my image in it.ā€™ Author Unknown
  • 30. As God intends you to look like Jesus it should be expected he will take you through some of the same experiences - loneliness, temptation, criticism, rejection etc. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suļ¬€ered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him Hebrew 5:8-9
  • 31. And we know we are going to get what's coming to us ā€”an unbelievable inheritance! We go through exactly what Christ goes through. If we go through the hard times with him, then we're certainly going to go through the good times with him! Romans 8:16-17 TM
  • 32. Responding to problems as Jesus would How you respond to a problem matters - a problem doesnā€™t automatically produce what God intends. Some people grow bitter not better. You have to respond as Jesus would
  • 33. Responding to problems as Jesus would How you respond to a problem matters - a problem doesnā€™t automatically produce what God intends. Some people grow bitter not better. You have to respond as Jesus would
  • 34. Remember Godā€™s plan is good Jer 29:13 Gen 50:20 Hezekiah reļ¬‚ecting on his illness, Isa 38:17 Surely it was for my beneļ¬t that I suļ¬€ered such anguish. In your love you kept me from the pit of destruction; you have put all my sins behind your back.
  • 35. Heb 12:10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. Keep focussed on Godā€™s plan not the pain or problem - endurance needs us to know that the pain or problem is only temporary and our reward eternal For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 2 Cor 4:17
  • 36. ā€œIf you look at the world, youā€™ll be distressed. If you look within, youā€™ll be depressed. But if you look at Christ, youā€™ll be at rest.ā€ Corrie ten Boom
  • 37. Rejoice and give thanks 1 Thess. 5:18 give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. Php. 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! Remember God is intimately involved with us - rejoice he is with us in the pain
  • 38. Refuse to give up Ā Jas 1:2-4 Consider it a sheer gift, friends, when tests and challenges come at you from all sides. You know that under pressure, your faith-life is forced into the open and shows its true colors. So don't try to get out of anything prematurely. Let it do its work so you become mature and well-developed, not deļ¬cient in any way.
  • 39. Character building is a slow process - but if you try to avoid diļ¬ƒculties we delay our growth and end up in a form of denial. Donā€™t pray , ā€œGod comfort meā€ Do pray, ā€œGod conform meā€ Donā€™t give up - grow up. Heb 10:36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
  • 40. Key Verse Rom 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
  • 41. Key Question What problem in my life has caused the greatest growth in me?