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Thoughts on trading in the not 
for profit sector…. 
Tony Okotie 
22 September 2014
Or…. 
The legal and financial structure 
is the easy bit
There is no pot of gold 
at the end of a 
magic rainbow
Where will the future income come from? 
• Reduction in public sector budgets 
– but someone still needs to pay for services! 
• Increasing move to payment by 
results 
• social impact bonds etc
Where will the future income come from? 
• Personalisation /self payers 
• Trading / selling ‘something 
else’ 
• Which generates a surplus to 
contribute to core activity
What have you got to sell / trade? 
• What assets does the 
organisation have? 
– People / track record / buildings etc 
• Is there a ‘market’? – will 
someone pay?
Developing the product / proposition 
• Business development ‘phase’ vs organic 
development? 
• What can we charge? 
• Who is our competition? 
– and from which sectors?
Developing the product / proposition 
• Marketing it – how? 
• At what point does it generate a surplus? 
– after R & D and FCR taken into account?
Personalisation 
• Demographics / economic base of residents 
in city 
– Challenge around ability / willingness to pay? 
• Increase in number of customers 
= lots of transactions 
– Cashflow issues? 
– Cost / effort to recover small transactions
Cultural change 
• How does charging sit with the culture and values 
of your organisation? 
– Loss of focus on ‘core business’ 
– Staff as ‘sales people’? 
– “its only real money when its in our bank account” 
• Does the organization have the skills to be ‘more 
commercial’? 
– Or bring in new ‘commercially minded’ staff? 
• Not right for everyone 
– and not as easy as some would think
Tony Okotie 
Chief Executive 
LCVS 
e: tony.okotie@lcvs.org.uk 
t: 0151 227 5177 
Twitter: @tonyokotie

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Trading not for profits

  • 1. Thoughts on trading in the not for profit sector…. Tony Okotie 22 September 2014
  • 2. Or…. The legal and financial structure is the easy bit
  • 3. There is no pot of gold at the end of a magic rainbow
  • 4. Where will the future income come from? • Reduction in public sector budgets – but someone still needs to pay for services! • Increasing move to payment by results • social impact bonds etc
  • 5. Where will the future income come from? • Personalisation /self payers • Trading / selling ‘something else’ • Which generates a surplus to contribute to core activity
  • 6. What have you got to sell / trade? • What assets does the organisation have? – People / track record / buildings etc • Is there a ‘market’? – will someone pay?
  • 7. Developing the product / proposition • Business development ‘phase’ vs organic development? • What can we charge? • Who is our competition? – and from which sectors?
  • 8. Developing the product / proposition • Marketing it – how? • At what point does it generate a surplus? – after R & D and FCR taken into account?
  • 9. Personalisation • Demographics / economic base of residents in city – Challenge around ability / willingness to pay? • Increase in number of customers = lots of transactions – Cashflow issues? – Cost / effort to recover small transactions
  • 10. Cultural change • How does charging sit with the culture and values of your organisation? – Loss of focus on ‘core business’ – Staff as ‘sales people’? – “its only real money when its in our bank account” • Does the organization have the skills to be ‘more commercial’? – Or bring in new ‘commercially minded’ staff? • Not right for everyone – and not as easy as some would think
  • 11. Tony Okotie Chief Executive LCVS e: tony.okotie@lcvs.org.uk t: 0151 227 5177 Twitter: @tonyokotie

Editor's Notes

  1. Setting up a trading arm isn’t a magic bullet - Just because you set up a trading arm or declare that you are now a social enterprise doesn’t mean there is a pot of gold…..   Does winning a contract (competititely) make you a social enterprise?   First, lets take a step back….  
  2. There will be less money in the economy
  3. There will be less money in the economy
  4. What
  5. Worked with an orgnisation which spent a year (and £50k!) on setting up a ‘social enterprise’ – essentially a trading arm BUT Didn’t consider what they were going to ‘sell’ – or to who