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Quality HVAC System Installation



        Trust But Verify
Quality HVAC System Installation


       The goal for a Heating, Ventilation and Air
   Conditioning (HVAC) system is to provide proper air
         flow, heating, and cooling to each room
Instructor
             Barbara Collins
             ERH West

              Building Performance Consultant
              Certified NAHB Green Building Verifier
              Certified RESNET HERS Rater
              Energy Star Homes Partner
              Certified Environments for Living Verifier
Class Objectives
Understand HVAC system air leakage testing
requirements in the 2009 IECC
Recognize the benefits of sealing ducts for savings,
system performance and indoor air quality
Understand how ducts are tested for leakage
Identify resources for local building departments
Identify the best techniques to seal duct systems; what
inspectors should see on inspections
Understand the IECC requirements for sizing of HVAC
equipment
Current Code Requirements
 Must comply with all aspects of UL181
 standards
 Fittings, joints & seams of duct system shall
 be made substantially air tight by means of
 tapes, mastics, gasketing or other means.
Ducts - IECC
 Insulation (Prescriptive)
   Ducts outside the building
   envelope: R-8
   All other ducts: R-6
 Sealing (Mandatory)
   Joints and seams shall comply with IRC,
   Section M1601.4.1
 Building framing cavities shall not be used as
 supply ducts
2009 IECC Duct Tightness Tests
                                     Mandatory Requirements


All ducts, air handlers, filter boxes and building
cavities used as ducts shall be sealed (Section
403.2.2)

Duct tightness shall be verified by testing

 Only Exception: Duct tightness test is not
required if the air handler and all ducts are
located within conditioned space
SEAL DUCTS,
SAVE ENERGY
Sealing ducts is a cost-effective
energy efficiency practice that gives
a high return on investment
HVAC System
 Poor design and installation increases energy
 costs 10 –30%
 Sizing
 Design
 Installation
Home Energy Use

 Residential energy use 22% of U.S. total
 25% of carbon emissions in U.S.
 Heating & cooling is 40 – 60 % of home
 energy use
Why seal ducts
 Leaks waste energy and money
 Average system leakage
   New construction 20%
   Existing homes 30%
  Duct sealing reduces heating and cooling
 energy losses and saves money
Other Problems
 Duct leakage reduces air flow, conditioned air
 isn’t delivered to rooms which can cause wide
 temperature swings between rooms

 IAQ issues with return leaks drawing in air
 from attics, garages, crawlspaces

 Pressure differentials can cause excess
 building air leakage and back drafting
Duct Tightness Tests                 Mandatory Requirements




Post construction tests
Option 1
     Leakage to outdoors: ≤8 cfm/per 100 ft2 of
     conditioned floor area
     OR
Option 2
     Total leakage: ≤12 cfm/per 100 ft2 of
     conditioned floor area
Duct Tightness Tests                         Mandatory Requirements




 Rough-in test Options
  Option 1
       Total leakage ≤6 cfm/per 100 ft2 of conditioned
       floor area
    OR
  Option 2
    If air handler not installed at time of test total air
  leakage ≤4 cfm/per 100 ft2
Exceptions: Duct tightness test is not required if
 the air handler and all ducts are located within
 conditioned space
 Thermal Boundary is also used to define whether
 testing is required.
     Insulation installed on underside of roof sheathing,
     AHU and ducts in attic, can be considered within
     thermal boundary
Ventilation
                                   Mandatory Requirements




 Outdoor air intakes and exhausts shall have
 automatic or gravity dampers that close when
 the ventilation system is not operating
Test Protocol
    Pressurize the HVAC system, measure
     CFM of air required to reach pressure

    Test at a pressure differential of 0.1 in
     w.g. (25Pa) across entire system,
     including manufacturer’s air handler
     enclosure
Test Equipment
Testing at rough-in
Testing Post Construction
Testing
leakage
to outside
Testing leakage to outside
Mastic Sealant



                 Non-toxic – Low VOC
                 Green credits

                 Recommended Set time
                 = 20 hours
More on Mastic
 High strength adhesive compound
 Usually applied by trowel, brush, caulking gun
 or hand
 3 types- water-based; solvent-based; and
 two-component curing systems
 Water-based is the safest and easiest to use
 It performs as well and in some cases better
    than the other 2
VOCs in mastics
 Volatile organic compounds
 In water-based mastics, the only volatile
 compound is water which is inorganic
 VOCs are infinitesimally small (not
 recordable)
 Water-based mastics pose a low health risk
 compared to solvent-based and two-
 component mastics
 Safer for the user, better IAQ, greener
How to apply mastic

 Step 1 - Clean Duct Surface
   Wipe dust oil and grease from the duct surface
 Step 2 - Apply the mastic
   Gaps less than 1/4″, load brush with mastic
   and coat entire joint with a continuous strip
   Use brush end to work mastic into joint
   Spread mastic at least one inch on each side
   of the joint.
   The mastic should be thick enough to hide the
   metal surface of the duct.
Mesh for Gaps
                If gap is larger than 1/4
                inch use fiberglass
                mesh too
                If mesh is sticky on
                one side, cut enough
                to cover joint, press in
                place, then completely
                cover it with mastic.
                If mesh does not have
                a sticky side, apply a
                thin layer of mastic,
                press mesh into the
                mastic, then apply a
                finish layer of mastic.
AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM
Boots and Cans
   Seal seams with
  mastic




                     Thin mastic will crack
                     Make seal permanent
                     Plug Don’t Paint
                     Thick as a Nickel = .077 in
                     1/16 inch = .0625 in
FLEX DUCT TO METAL
 Flexible Ducts
Seal inner sleeve & outer
      sleeve

     Plastic strap holds the
     inner liner firmly to the
     duct or fitting.

     Mastic seals liner to
     connection and covers the
     end of the liner

     Use draw band to hold
     outer sleeve (vapor         Vapor barrier should be complete.
     barrier)                    All holes, rips, and seams must be
                                 sealed with mastic or approved tape
AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM

Metal Ducts and Plenums, Duct Board
 Boxes
 Openings greater than 1/4 inch should be
 sealed with mastic and mesh
 Openings less than 1/4 inch should be
 sealed with mastic
 Special attention to collar connections to
 duct-board and/or sheet metal; seal around
 the connection with mastic
Ts Ys & Ls
 Use mesh tape to
 strengthen the joint
 where ducts of different
 shapes meet.
 Seal all seams, even
 manufactured ones.
Seal Gores
Sealant applied, still leaks
FABRICATION & INSTALLATION
GUIDELINES

  The air handler box should be air-tight
AHUs & Plenums
                 Fill all openings for
                 wiring, plumbing and
                 refrigerant lines.
                 Seal all seams in the air
                 handler and plenums.
                 Tape around access
                 panels, so they can be
                 opened for service.
Air Handler Leaks
Mechanical Systems & Equipment
AIRTIGHT HVAC SYSTEM
Air handlers on platforms
  May be located in a closet indoors
  Framers must be told not to put plywood top
  on before walls are sheetrocked (or duct
  board) to underside of platform floor
  All wall surfaces must be sheetrocked next to
  and in platform
  Seal all joints
Boots
        Seal all joints, including
        manufactured seams.
        The transition between
        the duct and boot may
        require mesh tape.
AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM
All Duct Types
Register boxes should be sealed to the drywall or floor
    with caulking or mastic
AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM
All Duct Types
Register boxes should be sealed to the drywall or floor
    with caulking or mastic
SHEET METAL CONNECTIONS
 Start the inner fitting into the outer fitting
 Apply a 2” wide band of mastic to the exposed part of
 the inner fitting
 Fully seat the joint and mechanically fasten with
 sheet metal screws or rivets
 Apply a 2.5” wide band of mastic to the outside of the
 joint covering the screws or rivets and joint gap
 Allow at least 12 hours drying time before starting
 system
 Temperature and humidity conditions can vary,
 longer dry times may be required
Locating ducts within thermal
boundary
 Within thermal boundary means within
 insulated space and within the air barrier
 boundary.
 Attics and crawlspaces can be but are usually
 not conditioned space
 Critical that space is truly indoors and sealed
 from unconditioned areas
 Multi-level dwellings more easily
 accommodate ducts in conditioned space
Ducts in Unconditioned Space
 Usually ducts are located in attics and
 crawlspaces
 Big temperature differences increase
 conduction losses and loads
    Long duct runs in attics lose 15%+ of cooling
   capacity before end
 Convection losses by leakage
Benefits of locating ducts in
conditioned space
 Ducts can be smaller
 May have shorter runs reduce pressure drop
 and improve efficiency
 Can reduce HVAC system costs by reducing
 loads
 Improve comfort
 No Testing in 09 IECC
EXISTING HOMES
 In existing homes, not unusual to find
 disconnected duct components, takeoffs
 loose from ducts or ducts disconnected from
 register boots
For Sealing Existing Systems
                   Tools & Materials
 Head lamp, hat with light, or flashlight
 A work board to span joists in attics
 Gallon pail and 2-3 caulk tubes of mastic
 Caulk Gun, mastic brush, fin and plenum brush
 Roll of mesh
 2-3 pairs of latex gloves
 2-3 cloths, can of coil and fin cleaner to wipe joints
clean before applying mastic and clean up
 Utility knife and telescoping mirror
 Pliers, screw driver and tin snips
Sealing Priorities
 1. Disconnected components

 2. Connections between the air handling unit
 and the plenums

 3. All seams in the air handling units and
 plenums, takeoffs, boots, and other
 connections, especially site-built items.
EXISTING HOMES
 Leaks connected to the outdoors are more
 important than leaks inside home’s thermal
 envelope
 Holes near the air handler are more important
 than distant holes with relatively low
 pressures
 Supply system leaks waste more energy than
 return system leaks
 Furnaces
Remove tie holding duct
to connection
Roll back insulation and
outer cover
Seal inner core with
mastic and band
Roll insulation down
and vapor barrier/outer
cover
Put band and seal with
mastic
Wrap Ducts with insulation
Insulation may be installed over wet mastic
but do not move the ducts too much or mastic
seal could be damaged.
All duct support work should be done before
applying mastic
Wait 2 -4 hours and water based mastic will
be dry to the touch
Oversizing

What do you get when you combine cognitive
 bias with inaccurate information?
Oversizing

 Old Rules of Thumb
 One Size Fits All

 US Department of Energy
   Most systems are oversized, increasing
   installation cost for every house
Oversizing
 Sizing example
 2000 SF House with standard metal windows
 w/ .75 U-Value and .88 SHGC and 20% duct
 leakage
 Calculated Sensible cooling load = 58880 Btu
Equipment Sizing
                                         Mandatory Requirements




   Load calculations determine the
   proper capacity (size) of equipment
     Goal is big enough to ensure
     comfort but no bigger
   Calculations with ACCA Manual J
   protocol or other approved methods
Oversizing
 Sizing example
 Same 2000 SF house with Low-E windows
 and tight duct system @ 5% leakage
 Sensible cooling load = 43877 Btu
 Average of 1-2” decrease in duct diameter
 sizes
Oversizing
 Installation cost is higher
 Operating cost over life of equipment is
 higher
 Can cause comfort problems
 Improvements in building envelope reduce
 loads
Right Sizing
 Costs less to install – saves builder money
 Costs less to operate - not starting and
 stopping all the time
 Short cycling can cause bigger swings in
 supply air, less comfort
 Better humidity control
DESIGN HVAC SYSTEM
Loads and CFM Calculation
  ACCA Manual J Load Calculation or
  equivalent required
  Calculate heat loss and heat gain for each
  room
  Total room loads to determine system
  requirements.
Manual J –Load Calc
  The local climate – ASHRAE 30 year average
  Size, shape, and orientation of the house
  Insulation levels
  Window area, location, and type
  Air infiltration rates
  Number of occupants
  Types and efficiencies of lights and major home
  appliances (which give off heat)

  ACCA - Air Conditioning Contractors of America
                 www.acca.org
“It’s tough to make
  predictions,
  especially about
  the future.”
 - Yogi Berra
U.S. Dept of Energy
  30/30 Vision

2012 IECC 30% More Stringent 2006 IECC

More verification testing
A Quality HVAC System
 Be properly sized to provide correct air flow, and
 meet room-by-room calculated heating and cooling
 loads.
 Have sealed ductwork that will provide proper air
 flow.
 Be installed with a return system designed to provide
 correct return air flow.
 Have balanced air flows between supply and return
 systems to maintain neutral pressure in the home.
 Be properly charged with refrigerant
Verifying Charge
Ductwork
 Single most important energy measure for
 most homes- low hanging fruit

 Locating inside conditioned space is optimal

 Seal joints with mastic not duct tape
Equipment Size
  Oversizing is common and expensive –
 upfront and during life

 Sizing properly can reduce cost and help pay
 for increased cost of other efficiency features
Learn from the mistakes of others.
You can't possibly live long enough
to make them all yourself
   --Sam Levinson
Thank you for participating
 Any questions

 Please complete your evaluation sheets so
 we can plan future events

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Seal Ducts, Save Energy

  • 1. Quality HVAC System Installation Trust But Verify
  • 2. Quality HVAC System Installation The goal for a Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) system is to provide proper air flow, heating, and cooling to each room
  • 3. Instructor Barbara Collins ERH West Building Performance Consultant Certified NAHB Green Building Verifier Certified RESNET HERS Rater Energy Star Homes Partner Certified Environments for Living Verifier
  • 4. Class Objectives Understand HVAC system air leakage testing requirements in the 2009 IECC Recognize the benefits of sealing ducts for savings, system performance and indoor air quality Understand how ducts are tested for leakage Identify resources for local building departments Identify the best techniques to seal duct systems; what inspectors should see on inspections Understand the IECC requirements for sizing of HVAC equipment
  • 5. Current Code Requirements Must comply with all aspects of UL181 standards Fittings, joints & seams of duct system shall be made substantially air tight by means of tapes, mastics, gasketing or other means.
  • 6. Ducts - IECC Insulation (Prescriptive) Ducts outside the building envelope: R-8 All other ducts: R-6 Sealing (Mandatory) Joints and seams shall comply with IRC, Section M1601.4.1 Building framing cavities shall not be used as supply ducts
  • 7. 2009 IECC Duct Tightness Tests Mandatory Requirements All ducts, air handlers, filter boxes and building cavities used as ducts shall be sealed (Section 403.2.2) Duct tightness shall be verified by testing Only Exception: Duct tightness test is not required if the air handler and all ducts are located within conditioned space
  • 8. SEAL DUCTS, SAVE ENERGY Sealing ducts is a cost-effective energy efficiency practice that gives a high return on investment
  • 9. HVAC System Poor design and installation increases energy costs 10 –30% Sizing Design Installation
  • 10. Home Energy Use Residential energy use 22% of U.S. total 25% of carbon emissions in U.S. Heating & cooling is 40 – 60 % of home energy use
  • 11. Why seal ducts Leaks waste energy and money Average system leakage New construction 20% Existing homes 30% Duct sealing reduces heating and cooling energy losses and saves money
  • 12. Other Problems Duct leakage reduces air flow, conditioned air isn’t delivered to rooms which can cause wide temperature swings between rooms IAQ issues with return leaks drawing in air from attics, garages, crawlspaces Pressure differentials can cause excess building air leakage and back drafting
  • 13. Duct Tightness Tests Mandatory Requirements Post construction tests Option 1 Leakage to outdoors: ≤8 cfm/per 100 ft2 of conditioned floor area OR Option 2 Total leakage: ≤12 cfm/per 100 ft2 of conditioned floor area
  • 14. Duct Tightness Tests Mandatory Requirements Rough-in test Options Option 1 Total leakage ≤6 cfm/per 100 ft2 of conditioned floor area OR Option 2 If air handler not installed at time of test total air leakage ≤4 cfm/per 100 ft2
  • 15. Exceptions: Duct tightness test is not required if the air handler and all ducts are located within conditioned space Thermal Boundary is also used to define whether testing is required. Insulation installed on underside of roof sheathing, AHU and ducts in attic, can be considered within thermal boundary
  • 16. Ventilation Mandatory Requirements Outdoor air intakes and exhausts shall have automatic or gravity dampers that close when the ventilation system is not operating
  • 17. Test Protocol Pressurize the HVAC system, measure CFM of air required to reach pressure Test at a pressure differential of 0.1 in w.g. (25Pa) across entire system, including manufacturer’s air handler enclosure
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  • 26. Mastic Sealant Non-toxic – Low VOC Green credits Recommended Set time = 20 hours
  • 27. More on Mastic High strength adhesive compound Usually applied by trowel, brush, caulking gun or hand 3 types- water-based; solvent-based; and two-component curing systems Water-based is the safest and easiest to use It performs as well and in some cases better than the other 2
  • 28. VOCs in mastics Volatile organic compounds In water-based mastics, the only volatile compound is water which is inorganic VOCs are infinitesimally small (not recordable) Water-based mastics pose a low health risk compared to solvent-based and two- component mastics Safer for the user, better IAQ, greener
  • 29. How to apply mastic Step 1 - Clean Duct Surface Wipe dust oil and grease from the duct surface Step 2 - Apply the mastic Gaps less than 1/4″, load brush with mastic and coat entire joint with a continuous strip Use brush end to work mastic into joint Spread mastic at least one inch on each side of the joint. The mastic should be thick enough to hide the metal surface of the duct.
  • 30. Mesh for Gaps If gap is larger than 1/4 inch use fiberglass mesh too If mesh is sticky on one side, cut enough to cover joint, press in place, then completely cover it with mastic. If mesh does not have a sticky side, apply a thin layer of mastic, press mesh into the mastic, then apply a finish layer of mastic.
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  • 33. AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM Boots and Cans Seal seams with mastic Thin mastic will crack Make seal permanent Plug Don’t Paint Thick as a Nickel = .077 in 1/16 inch = .0625 in
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  • 37. FLEX DUCT TO METAL Flexible Ducts Seal inner sleeve & outer sleeve Plastic strap holds the inner liner firmly to the duct or fitting. Mastic seals liner to connection and covers the end of the liner Use draw band to hold outer sleeve (vapor Vapor barrier should be complete. barrier) All holes, rips, and seams must be sealed with mastic or approved tape
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  • 39. AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM Metal Ducts and Plenums, Duct Board Boxes Openings greater than 1/4 inch should be sealed with mastic and mesh Openings less than 1/4 inch should be sealed with mastic Special attention to collar connections to duct-board and/or sheet metal; seal around the connection with mastic
  • 40. Ts Ys & Ls Use mesh tape to strengthen the joint where ducts of different shapes meet. Seal all seams, even manufactured ones.
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  • 46. FABRICATION & INSTALLATION GUIDELINES The air handler box should be air-tight
  • 47. AHUs & Plenums Fill all openings for wiring, plumbing and refrigerant lines. Seal all seams in the air handler and plenums. Tape around access panels, so they can be opened for service.
  • 49. Mechanical Systems & Equipment
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  • 53. AIRTIGHT HVAC SYSTEM Air handlers on platforms May be located in a closet indoors Framers must be told not to put plywood top on before walls are sheetrocked (or duct board) to underside of platform floor All wall surfaces must be sheetrocked next to and in platform Seal all joints
  • 54. Boots Seal all joints, including manufactured seams. The transition between the duct and boot may require mesh tape.
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  • 56. AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM All Duct Types Register boxes should be sealed to the drywall or floor with caulking or mastic
  • 57. AIRTIGHT DUCT SYSTEM All Duct Types Register boxes should be sealed to the drywall or floor with caulking or mastic
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  • 64. SHEET METAL CONNECTIONS Start the inner fitting into the outer fitting Apply a 2” wide band of mastic to the exposed part of the inner fitting Fully seat the joint and mechanically fasten with sheet metal screws or rivets Apply a 2.5” wide band of mastic to the outside of the joint covering the screws or rivets and joint gap Allow at least 12 hours drying time before starting system Temperature and humidity conditions can vary, longer dry times may be required
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  • 67. Locating ducts within thermal boundary Within thermal boundary means within insulated space and within the air barrier boundary. Attics and crawlspaces can be but are usually not conditioned space Critical that space is truly indoors and sealed from unconditioned areas Multi-level dwellings more easily accommodate ducts in conditioned space
  • 68. Ducts in Unconditioned Space Usually ducts are located in attics and crawlspaces Big temperature differences increase conduction losses and loads Long duct runs in attics lose 15%+ of cooling capacity before end Convection losses by leakage
  • 69. Benefits of locating ducts in conditioned space Ducts can be smaller May have shorter runs reduce pressure drop and improve efficiency Can reduce HVAC system costs by reducing loads Improve comfort No Testing in 09 IECC
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  • 77. EXISTING HOMES In existing homes, not unusual to find disconnected duct components, takeoffs loose from ducts or ducts disconnected from register boots
  • 78. For Sealing Existing Systems Tools & Materials Head lamp, hat with light, or flashlight A work board to span joists in attics Gallon pail and 2-3 caulk tubes of mastic Caulk Gun, mastic brush, fin and plenum brush Roll of mesh 2-3 pairs of latex gloves 2-3 cloths, can of coil and fin cleaner to wipe joints clean before applying mastic and clean up Utility knife and telescoping mirror Pliers, screw driver and tin snips
  • 79. Sealing Priorities 1. Disconnected components 2. Connections between the air handling unit and the plenums 3. All seams in the air handling units and plenums, takeoffs, boots, and other connections, especially site-built items.
  • 80. EXISTING HOMES Leaks connected to the outdoors are more important than leaks inside home’s thermal envelope Holes near the air handler are more important than distant holes with relatively low pressures Supply system leaks waste more energy than return system leaks Furnaces
  • 81. Remove tie holding duct to connection Roll back insulation and outer cover Seal inner core with mastic and band Roll insulation down and vapor barrier/outer cover Put band and seal with mastic
  • 82. Wrap Ducts with insulation Insulation may be installed over wet mastic but do not move the ducts too much or mastic seal could be damaged. All duct support work should be done before applying mastic Wait 2 -4 hours and water based mastic will be dry to the touch
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  • 88. Oversizing What do you get when you combine cognitive bias with inaccurate information?
  • 89. Oversizing Old Rules of Thumb One Size Fits All US Department of Energy Most systems are oversized, increasing installation cost for every house
  • 90. Oversizing Sizing example 2000 SF House with standard metal windows w/ .75 U-Value and .88 SHGC and 20% duct leakage Calculated Sensible cooling load = 58880 Btu
  • 91. Equipment Sizing Mandatory Requirements Load calculations determine the proper capacity (size) of equipment Goal is big enough to ensure comfort but no bigger Calculations with ACCA Manual J protocol or other approved methods
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  • 93. Oversizing Sizing example Same 2000 SF house with Low-E windows and tight duct system @ 5% leakage Sensible cooling load = 43877 Btu Average of 1-2” decrease in duct diameter sizes
  • 94. Oversizing Installation cost is higher Operating cost over life of equipment is higher Can cause comfort problems Improvements in building envelope reduce loads
  • 95. Right Sizing Costs less to install – saves builder money Costs less to operate - not starting and stopping all the time Short cycling can cause bigger swings in supply air, less comfort Better humidity control
  • 96. DESIGN HVAC SYSTEM Loads and CFM Calculation ACCA Manual J Load Calculation or equivalent required Calculate heat loss and heat gain for each room Total room loads to determine system requirements.
  • 97. Manual J –Load Calc The local climate – ASHRAE 30 year average Size, shape, and orientation of the house Insulation levels Window area, location, and type Air infiltration rates Number of occupants Types and efficiencies of lights and major home appliances (which give off heat) ACCA - Air Conditioning Contractors of America www.acca.org
  • 98. “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” - Yogi Berra
  • 99. U.S. Dept of Energy 30/30 Vision 2012 IECC 30% More Stringent 2006 IECC More verification testing
  • 100. A Quality HVAC System Be properly sized to provide correct air flow, and meet room-by-room calculated heating and cooling loads. Have sealed ductwork that will provide proper air flow. Be installed with a return system designed to provide correct return air flow. Have balanced air flows between supply and return systems to maintain neutral pressure in the home. Be properly charged with refrigerant
  • 102. Ductwork Single most important energy measure for most homes- low hanging fruit Locating inside conditioned space is optimal Seal joints with mastic not duct tape
  • 103. Equipment Size Oversizing is common and expensive – upfront and during life Sizing properly can reduce cost and help pay for increased cost of other efficiency features
  • 104. Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't possibly live long enough to make them all yourself --Sam Levinson
  • 105. Thank you for participating Any questions Please complete your evaluation sheets so we can plan future events