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Groupon Clones in Vietnam
 Collective Buying via the Web

  Tai Tran, updated 24.10.2011

                                 Page 1
Updates
• 24.10.2011
  – Slide 4, a few more sites
  – Slide 26 - 31 on financial information




                                             Page 2
Terminologies                      Disclaimer
• Idea from Groupon.com, a         • Information from this slide is
  portmanteau derived from           solicited from public sources
  "group" and "coupon"               only
• Use Groupon logo as              • The author does not benefit
  representative of Groupon &        from promoting any service
  Groupon clones in Vietnam          mentioned in this slide
• Merchants in this research are   • This slide does not necessarily
  usually retailers                  reflect the investment view of
• CC: credit card                    the author
• COD: cash on delivery            • This slide does not necessarily
• VP: pay & receive voucher in       reflect the investment view of
  providers' office                  the organization where the
                                     author works
                                   • Disclosure: the author is not
                                     working at a venture capital
                                     firm                       Page 3
Page 4
Big 4 (updated July 2011)




                            Page 5
Traffic




Source: Google AdPlanner, composed by Phi http://twitter.com/p2045i/status/107757376874086400/photo/1


                                                                                                        Page 6
•   Zing Deal
A NhomMua.com
•
   few notable sites                                      – (used to) promote Zing Xu (payment
                                                            system), but was forced to offer free COD
     –   Leader                                           – User base from Zing's sites
     –   Free COD
                                                     •   KhuyenMaiVang.vn
     –   Heavy advertising
                                                          – Experienced sales force from 5giay
     –   Experience from industry investor (Rebate
         Networks)                                   •   51deal.vn
                                                          – SMS code: buyer pay after using service =>
•   Hotdeal.vn
                                                            buy without painstaking research
     – Fast follower
                                                     •   Everyday.vn
     – Free COD
                                                          – BTA
     – More mature segment
                                                          – Rebate unused vouchers after expiry dates
•   MuaChung.vn
                                                     •   Others notable
     – Selective deals
                                                          – CungMuaSam.net
     – Focus on menu sets => benefits for the
       restaurants                                        – NecDeal.com
     – Educate user to use e-payment (VCCorp's       •   Many other are declining: vndoan,
       SohaPay), intentionally charge COD                runhau, supersale, phagia, muale…
     – User base from VCCorp's sites                 •   Why hasn't PeaceSoft, VTC and FPT Online
•   CungMua.com                                          joined the hype?
     –   Fast follower                                    – My speculation: PeaceSoft wants to focus
     –   Mid-end vendors                                    on its core business - eBay clone, and
                                                            maybe it is too busy with integrating
     –   Efficiency
                                                            ChoDienTu to eBay and NganLuongPage 7to
     –   Launch inCard.vn                                   PayPal
Secondary sites
• Deal aggregators




                     Page 8
Limitations of clones in Vietnam
• Underdeveloped e-payment market => high cost of
  COD
• Lack of financial tricks e.g. trade credit, ACSOI
• Limited access to fund raising sources
• Mapping, location-based and logistics are not fully
  utilized




                                                  Page 9
Exit strategy
• Acquired by Groupon.com or Living Social




                                             Page 10
The Groupon Business Model


                             Page 11
The original Groupon.com
 More of a Sales company than a technical
 product. Technology is NOT important
Funding
1. Keywell $1m, 2007
2. New Enterprise Associates $6.8m, 2008                            2011
3. Accel $30m, 2009                                                 • Turn down Google's
4. Digital Sky Tech $135m, 2010                                       $6b acquisition
                                       2010                         • File for IPO $11b
                                                                    • Break-even Q3 2011
                                       • 150 North American         • 8000 employees, 4000
                                         markets, 100 EU-Asia-        sales
                                         South America markets
                                       • 35m users
                                       • Acquire global clones in
             11/2008                     EU, South America,
                                         Sing, Japan, Russia,
             • Launched in Chicago,      Hongkong, Philippines,
               founder: Andrew Mason     Taiwan, Malay
             • $1m seed investment     • 1500 employees


                                                                                         Page 12
Demands
Web service   • We provide mostly free web services
              • We have large user communities
 providers    • How do we monetize the user base besides selling ad?




              • We offer products / services
 Merchants    • How do we market besides traditional marketing
                channels?




              • How do I discover good deals?
 Customers    • How to I explore good products & services?
              • How do I explore my connections' preference?



                                                               Page 13
Page 14
Model
                  Ad on Site               Discount
                                           voucher

                Offer discount
                 if threshold
               (min number of
                buyers) is met
                                           • Payment      Customer
Merchants          Revenue                 • Pageview (also web users)
                      less
                  Groupon fee

 Merchants                                        Customer
 • Offer product/service           Bring the voucher to Shop and redeem
 • Hope to retain the customers                product/service


                  Win-Win-Win for all 3 parties
                                                                 Page 15
Win-Win-Win what?
           Groupon                    Merchant                        Customer
Boons      • Source of Revenue        •   Sell big lots               • Discounts
           • Low cost of building     •   Flexible marketing channel  • Explore
             a website (users         •   Revenue upfront               preferences of
             focus on deals rather    •   Some customers do not         connections
             than user                    redeem the voucher before
             experience)                  expiry => revenue without
           • Share viral costs with       offering service. 25%
             users (users share           vouchers are never redeemed
             the news among               ~ $1.2b (approximately
             themselves via               $300m free cash for
             Facebook, chat)              merchants)
Disadvant • High payment &            • Drive down margin             • Pay upfront
ages        delivery cost (next
            slides)
Risks      • Obscure pricing &     • Can't handle the flood of        • Ambiguous pricing
             service quality from    voucher redeemers                • Inconsistent
             merchants may hurt • No guarantee customers will           service quality
             the reputation of the   come back after using the
             web provider            discount                                     Page 16
Value proposition to merchants

    Network of Subscribers
                                                   Develop
                                   Assurance                       Customer
 Access to                                        Promotion
                   Consumer        Contract to                     Service to
Network of                                            and
                    Profile           Deal                          Manage
Subscribers                                       Editorial for
                                   Activation                        Deals
                                                   Merchant

      Vast
                   Targeted Deal                   No additional   Merchants can
Distribution for
                    Distribution    No Upfront    promotion cost     focus on
 Promotion to
                   and Access to    Cost to Run     to increase      servicing
Potential New
                     Customer          Deal            brand        additional
  and Return
                   Demographics                     awareness       customers
  Customers                                                              Page 17
Industries Groupon focuses on
•   Small-value items                     • High-value items
•   New companies / new branches
•   High customer acquisition cost          – e.g. iPad
•   Companies without full-pledged
    retail network                          – For promotion
•   Low cost of goods sold (CoGS)             campaigns
•   Travel & spa: flexible CoGS
•   Restaurants: meal set should be         – If offered as deal: attract
    optimized so that buyers would            huge amount of users
    order more
                                            – Given for free as
                                              promotion
                                               • Users give up personal
             Beauty              Travel          information for a chance
                                                 to win the item
                       Fashion
             Restau-
                                               • Marketing for the site
              rants                                                Page 18
Page 19
Categories




             Page 20
Economics of merchant
• Merchants need to be
  consulted on
  –   Number of vouchers
  –   Threshold
  –   Discount rate
  –   Duration of campaign
  –   Deal design
       • Which items
       • Menu set




                             Page 21
Customers demographics




                            Early adopters


                                               Likely
                  Urban
                                             Facebook
                 females
                                                user




                     Disposable          Office
                      income          professional      Page 22
Charges
• Groupon.com charges 50%
      –   Full-price service $40
      –   Discounted price $20
      –   Groupon retains 50% of $20
      –   Merchants receive $10
      –   Groupon.com charges lower fees for less prominent ad space
• Most Groupon clones in Vietnam charge 15-30%

                                             Full Price $40

                                          Discounted Price $20

Merchant receive $14                                        Groupon retains 30%, or $6

  Physical goods:
                      Service: low CoS,
fixed, CoGS, profit                          Selling cost      Delivery cost   Marketing cost   Management cost
 on large quantity
                      can be profitable                                                              Page 23
Payment
• COD: cash on delivery
    –   Customer places order, Groupon calls to confirm
    –   Groupon prints voucher
    –   Pay cash at customer's site
    –   Groupon hires a logistics service
    –   Some offer free delivery, some charge
    –   90% orders in Vietnam
    –   High cost
•   Bank transfer through large banks
•   ATM, Internet Banking
•   e-Wallet: NganLuong, MobiVi, Payoo, baokim, Soha Pay
•   SMS: 51deal, phagia
                                                          Page 24
Money
Cost Management                     Business model sustainable?
• Underdeveloped e-Payment          • Winner takes it all?
  industry                             – No
• Collecting payment, refund,          – This is retail business. There is
  rebate is too costly                   room for followers

• For smaller sites: if threshold   • Issues (criticism)
  (minimum number of buyers) is        – Positive cash flow vs. loss in
                                         income statement?
  not met, the deal becomes
                                       – Ponzi scheme?
  invalid and cost incurs without
  revenue                           • The current business model is
                                      too costly to sustain
                                    • Innovation is needed to further
                                      develop this model

                                                                      Page 25
Financial
• Basically broke-even Q3 2011
• Free cash flow $60m in Q3 2011
• Sales growth slowed - a sign of profitability
• Cutting marketing expense and acquisitions in Q3
  2011
• IPO
    – Valuation $11.4b
    – Proceeds mostly likely to fund international acquisition
      and product development
• "Media attention" is an intangible asset not
  reflected on the balance sheet                          Page 26
Page 27
Page 28
Market Sizes

                             Healthcare
                                3.7


                                          Household
                                           goods &
                                           services
                                             4.3
 F&B 19.3

            Vietnam 2010 (VND trillion)




                                                 Transport
                                                     7




              Hotels &
             caring 4.4


                                                             Page 29
Brief Financial Analysis
              Per Revenue Ratios                                               Sensitivity to market
             Marketing%       SGA%                                        60
                                                                          55
             Acquisition%     Net profit%                                 50
                                                                          45




                                                        Price per Share
100%                                                                      40
 75%                                                                      35
                                                                          30
 50%                                                                      25
                                                                          20
 25%                                                                      15
                                                                          10
  0%                                                                       5
                                                                           0
 -25%     2009      First 3      2010        First 3
                   quarters                 quarters                           7.5 8.5 9.510.511.512.513.514.5
 -50%                2010                     2011                                          MRP
 -75%                                                  Key assumptions
-100%                                                  • Revenue 2011E 1.5b
                                                       • The company retains break-even
-125%                                                     state in Q4 2011
If Groupon further cut marketing expense by 35%,       • Risk-free rate = 10-year US
the company would immediately be profitable today.        government bond rate
                                                       • Negative beta               Page 30
Market Cap ($b)     P/E   Share Price 24.10.11   Revenue most recent quarter ($b)
250

225

200

175

150

125

100

 75

 50

 25
                   590.49                     495.46
  0
      -53
-25
                                                                                      Page 31
• Cost to launch a new website is
Five forces                       Threat of       low
                                    new         • Focus on developing sales team
                                                • Existing users/communities
                                  entrant:        from other sites in the same
                                    high          company: a requirement
                                                • Positive cash flow



            Supplier                                    Buyer
             power                Rivalry:              power
          (merchant):              high              (customer):
              low                                        high

 Numerous merchants                                       Numerous deal hunters
   Low switching cost                                     Low switching cost

                For merchants:
 • Ad on Google (search engine)   Substitute:   For customers:
• Ad/coupon on Facebook (social   moderate      • Coupon books
                        media)                  • Direct promotions
          • Direct promotions                                            Page 32
Comparisons




              Page 33
New Services
• Groupon Store: self-serving store for merchant
• Groupon Now: what to buy today with Groupon,
  location-based




                                              Page 34
International Expansion

  CityDeal in              SoSasta in
    Europe                   India


  Darberry in             Groupoer in
    Russia                South Africa


   Qpod in                Twangoo in
    Japan                   Israel

                           Gaopeng in
  uBuyiBuy in               China with
  Hong Kong                partnership
                          from Tencent




                                    Page 35
Future               • Young population, eager to try new
                       experience
Opportunities
                     • Post-crisis frugality
                     • Herd behavior

                     • For the first time, e-commerce goes mass
       Values
                     • Educate e-payment
   brought to
     Vietnam         • Attract attention from users, media,
                       investors


                2011: educating         2013:
                    market              mature
                                        market



                  Market               Market
                size $30m            size $100m             Page 36
Success drivers
Quantitatively consult merchants
on logistics: optimal deal size,
discount, maximum number of
vouchers, duration                            Reduce
                                              cost of
                                              delivery
     Strong
       sale
      team
                             Clear strategy


                                                     Backed
                                                        by
                                                     existing
                                                     comm-
                                                     unities

                                                         Page 37
Research result
• A Harvard Business School research
  – Merchants with discounts is more likely to be profitable
  – Voucher services grow: customers over-rely on vouchers




                                                       Page 38
Reference
• Eliason, Frezgi, Khan, 2010, 'Group Buying White Paper', Harvard
  Business School, accessed from
  http://www.slideshare.net/HackStartups/group-buying-white-paper
• Groupon S-1 Analysis
  http://www.slideshare.net/MartinNew/groupon-s1-analysis
• Groupon Analysis http://www.slideshare.net/elissegaynor/groupon-
  analysis
• Groupon filing to SEC
  http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1490281/000104746911008598/
  a2205238zs-1a.htm
• Groupon's IPO Roadshow http://www.businessinsider.com/groupon-
  ipo-roadshow-slides-2011-10?op=1


                                                            Page 39
Tai Tran
1.   Blog http://taitran.vn
2.   LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/taitran
3.   Facebook http://www.facebook.com/taitran
4.   Google+ http://gplus.to/taitran
5.   LinkHay Money http://www.linkhay.com/tien




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Groupon Clones in Vietnam update 24/10/2011

  • 1. Groupon Clones in Vietnam Collective Buying via the Web Tai Tran, updated 24.10.2011 Page 1
  • 2. Updates • 24.10.2011 – Slide 4, a few more sites – Slide 26 - 31 on financial information Page 2
  • 3. Terminologies Disclaimer • Idea from Groupon.com, a • Information from this slide is portmanteau derived from solicited from public sources "group" and "coupon" only • Use Groupon logo as • The author does not benefit representative of Groupon & from promoting any service Groupon clones in Vietnam mentioned in this slide • Merchants in this research are • This slide does not necessarily usually retailers reflect the investment view of • CC: credit card the author • COD: cash on delivery • This slide does not necessarily • VP: pay & receive voucher in reflect the investment view of providers' office the organization where the author works • Disclosure: the author is not working at a venture capital firm Page 3
  • 5. Big 4 (updated July 2011) Page 5
  • 6. Traffic Source: Google AdPlanner, composed by Phi http://twitter.com/p2045i/status/107757376874086400/photo/1 Page 6
  • 7. Zing Deal A NhomMua.com • few notable sites – (used to) promote Zing Xu (payment system), but was forced to offer free COD – Leader – User base from Zing's sites – Free COD • KhuyenMaiVang.vn – Heavy advertising – Experienced sales force from 5giay – Experience from industry investor (Rebate Networks) • 51deal.vn – SMS code: buyer pay after using service => • Hotdeal.vn buy without painstaking research – Fast follower • Everyday.vn – Free COD – BTA – More mature segment – Rebate unused vouchers after expiry dates • MuaChung.vn • Others notable – Selective deals – CungMuaSam.net – Focus on menu sets => benefits for the restaurants – NecDeal.com – Educate user to use e-payment (VCCorp's • Many other are declining: vndoan, SohaPay), intentionally charge COD runhau, supersale, phagia, muale… – User base from VCCorp's sites • Why hasn't PeaceSoft, VTC and FPT Online • CungMua.com joined the hype? – Fast follower – My speculation: PeaceSoft wants to focus – Mid-end vendors on its core business - eBay clone, and maybe it is too busy with integrating – Efficiency ChoDienTu to eBay and NganLuongPage 7to – Launch inCard.vn PayPal
  • 8. Secondary sites • Deal aggregators Page 8
  • 9. Limitations of clones in Vietnam • Underdeveloped e-payment market => high cost of COD • Lack of financial tricks e.g. trade credit, ACSOI • Limited access to fund raising sources • Mapping, location-based and logistics are not fully utilized Page 9
  • 10. Exit strategy • Acquired by Groupon.com or Living Social Page 10
  • 11. The Groupon Business Model Page 11
  • 12. The original Groupon.com More of a Sales company than a technical product. Technology is NOT important Funding 1. Keywell $1m, 2007 2. New Enterprise Associates $6.8m, 2008 2011 3. Accel $30m, 2009 • Turn down Google's 4. Digital Sky Tech $135m, 2010 $6b acquisition 2010 • File for IPO $11b • Break-even Q3 2011 • 150 North American • 8000 employees, 4000 markets, 100 EU-Asia- sales South America markets • 35m users • Acquire global clones in 11/2008 EU, South America, Sing, Japan, Russia, • Launched in Chicago, Hongkong, Philippines, founder: Andrew Mason Taiwan, Malay • $1m seed investment • 1500 employees Page 12
  • 13. Demands Web service • We provide mostly free web services • We have large user communities providers • How do we monetize the user base besides selling ad? • We offer products / services Merchants • How do we market besides traditional marketing channels? • How do I discover good deals? Customers • How to I explore good products & services? • How do I explore my connections' preference? Page 13
  • 15. Model Ad on Site Discount voucher Offer discount if threshold (min number of buyers) is met • Payment Customer Merchants Revenue • Pageview (also web users) less Groupon fee Merchants Customer • Offer product/service Bring the voucher to Shop and redeem • Hope to retain the customers product/service Win-Win-Win for all 3 parties Page 15
  • 16. Win-Win-Win what? Groupon Merchant Customer Boons • Source of Revenue • Sell big lots • Discounts • Low cost of building • Flexible marketing channel • Explore a website (users • Revenue upfront preferences of focus on deals rather • Some customers do not connections than user redeem the voucher before experience) expiry => revenue without • Share viral costs with offering service. 25% users (users share vouchers are never redeemed the news among ~ $1.2b (approximately themselves via $300m free cash for Facebook, chat) merchants) Disadvant • High payment & • Drive down margin • Pay upfront ages delivery cost (next slides) Risks • Obscure pricing & • Can't handle the flood of • Ambiguous pricing service quality from voucher redeemers • Inconsistent merchants may hurt • No guarantee customers will service quality the reputation of the come back after using the web provider discount Page 16
  • 17. Value proposition to merchants Network of Subscribers Develop Assurance Customer Access to Promotion Consumer Contract to Service to Network of and Profile Deal Manage Subscribers Editorial for Activation Deals Merchant Vast Targeted Deal No additional Merchants can Distribution for Distribution No Upfront promotion cost focus on Promotion to and Access to Cost to Run to increase servicing Potential New Customer Deal brand additional and Return Demographics awareness customers Customers Page 17
  • 18. Industries Groupon focuses on • Small-value items • High-value items • New companies / new branches • High customer acquisition cost – e.g. iPad • Companies without full-pledged retail network – For promotion • Low cost of goods sold (CoGS) campaigns • Travel & spa: flexible CoGS • Restaurants: meal set should be – If offered as deal: attract optimized so that buyers would huge amount of users order more – Given for free as promotion • Users give up personal Beauty Travel information for a chance to win the item Fashion Restau- • Marketing for the site rants Page 18
  • 20. Categories Page 20
  • 21. Economics of merchant • Merchants need to be consulted on – Number of vouchers – Threshold – Discount rate – Duration of campaign – Deal design • Which items • Menu set Page 21
  • 22. Customers demographics Early adopters Likely Urban Facebook females user Disposable Office income professional Page 22
  • 23. Charges • Groupon.com charges 50% – Full-price service $40 – Discounted price $20 – Groupon retains 50% of $20 – Merchants receive $10 – Groupon.com charges lower fees for less prominent ad space • Most Groupon clones in Vietnam charge 15-30% Full Price $40 Discounted Price $20 Merchant receive $14 Groupon retains 30%, or $6 Physical goods: Service: low CoS, fixed, CoGS, profit Selling cost Delivery cost Marketing cost Management cost on large quantity can be profitable Page 23
  • 24. Payment • COD: cash on delivery – Customer places order, Groupon calls to confirm – Groupon prints voucher – Pay cash at customer's site – Groupon hires a logistics service – Some offer free delivery, some charge – 90% orders in Vietnam – High cost • Bank transfer through large banks • ATM, Internet Banking • e-Wallet: NganLuong, MobiVi, Payoo, baokim, Soha Pay • SMS: 51deal, phagia Page 24
  • 25. Money Cost Management Business model sustainable? • Underdeveloped e-Payment • Winner takes it all? industry – No • Collecting payment, refund, – This is retail business. There is rebate is too costly room for followers • For smaller sites: if threshold • Issues (criticism) (minimum number of buyers) is – Positive cash flow vs. loss in income statement? not met, the deal becomes – Ponzi scheme? invalid and cost incurs without revenue • The current business model is too costly to sustain • Innovation is needed to further develop this model Page 25
  • 26. Financial • Basically broke-even Q3 2011 • Free cash flow $60m in Q3 2011 • Sales growth slowed - a sign of profitability • Cutting marketing expense and acquisitions in Q3 2011 • IPO – Valuation $11.4b – Proceeds mostly likely to fund international acquisition and product development • "Media attention" is an intangible asset not reflected on the balance sheet Page 26
  • 29. Market Sizes Healthcare 3.7 Household goods & services 4.3 F&B 19.3 Vietnam 2010 (VND trillion) Transport 7 Hotels & caring 4.4 Page 29
  • 30. Brief Financial Analysis Per Revenue Ratios Sensitivity to market Marketing% SGA% 60 55 Acquisition% Net profit% 50 45 Price per Share 100% 40 75% 35 30 50% 25 20 25% 15 10 0% 5 0 -25% 2009 First 3 2010 First 3 quarters quarters 7.5 8.5 9.510.511.512.513.514.5 -50% 2010 2011 MRP -75% Key assumptions -100% • Revenue 2011E 1.5b • The company retains break-even -125% state in Q4 2011 If Groupon further cut marketing expense by 35%, • Risk-free rate = 10-year US the company would immediately be profitable today. government bond rate • Negative beta Page 30
  • 31. Market Cap ($b) P/E Share Price 24.10.11 Revenue most recent quarter ($b) 250 225 200 175 150 125 100 75 50 25 590.49 495.46 0 -53 -25 Page 31
  • 32. • Cost to launch a new website is Five forces Threat of low new • Focus on developing sales team • Existing users/communities entrant: from other sites in the same high company: a requirement • Positive cash flow Supplier Buyer power Rivalry: power (merchant): high (customer): low high Numerous merchants Numerous deal hunters Low switching cost Low switching cost For merchants: • Ad on Google (search engine) Substitute: For customers: • Ad/coupon on Facebook (social moderate • Coupon books media) • Direct promotions • Direct promotions Page 32
  • 33. Comparisons Page 33
  • 34. New Services • Groupon Store: self-serving store for merchant • Groupon Now: what to buy today with Groupon, location-based Page 34
  • 35. International Expansion CityDeal in SoSasta in Europe India Darberry in Groupoer in Russia South Africa Qpod in Twangoo in Japan Israel Gaopeng in uBuyiBuy in China with Hong Kong partnership from Tencent Page 35
  • 36. Future • Young population, eager to try new experience Opportunities • Post-crisis frugality • Herd behavior • For the first time, e-commerce goes mass Values • Educate e-payment brought to Vietnam • Attract attention from users, media, investors 2011: educating 2013: market mature market Market Market size $30m size $100m Page 36
  • 37. Success drivers Quantitatively consult merchants on logistics: optimal deal size, discount, maximum number of vouchers, duration Reduce cost of delivery Strong sale team Clear strategy Backed by existing comm- unities Page 37
  • 38. Research result • A Harvard Business School research – Merchants with discounts is more likely to be profitable – Voucher services grow: customers over-rely on vouchers Page 38
  • 39. Reference • Eliason, Frezgi, Khan, 2010, 'Group Buying White Paper', Harvard Business School, accessed from http://www.slideshare.net/HackStartups/group-buying-white-paper • Groupon S-1 Analysis http://www.slideshare.net/MartinNew/groupon-s1-analysis • Groupon Analysis http://www.slideshare.net/elissegaynor/groupon- analysis • Groupon filing to SEC http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1490281/000104746911008598/ a2205238zs-1a.htm • Groupon's IPO Roadshow http://www.businessinsider.com/groupon- ipo-roadshow-slides-2011-10?op=1 Page 39
  • 40. Tai Tran 1. Blog http://taitran.vn 2. LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/taitran 3. Facebook http://www.facebook.com/taitran 4. Google+ http://gplus.to/taitran 5. LinkHay Money http://www.linkhay.com/tien Page 40