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E-auctions and Reverse Auctions
     Do They Make Sense?




         Eddy Hagen, VIGC

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E-auctions & Reverse Auctions
   Printers say…
        Shocking!
        Crazy!
        Are we still allowed to make money???
   Print buyers say…
        Great tool to cut prices!




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E-auctions & Reverse Auctions
   What’s it all about?
        New way of ‘selling’ jobs to printers
        Procedure:
          •   Information gathering, at selected printers
          •   First quotes by printers
          •   Top 5 e.g. is selected
          •   Online, live ‘auction’ of jobs
               • Printers see the price level of competitors and
                 can adjust their prices, downwards of course…
               • Other criteria than price can be taken into
                 account for ranking
          • Outcome: either winner gets it all, or
            negotiations with top 3

                                                                   3
VIGC Study
   3 parts:
        Survey - General part: how good do
         printers know their customers, how do
         buyers appreciate the printers
        Survey - E-auctions as such
        Interviews with printers & print buyers
   Survey:
        Online survey
        100 participants, 2/3 printers, 1/3 print
         buyers


                                                     4
Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?
   Same question for printers / print buyers
        How important are following factors in
         choosing a printer?
          •   Price
          •   Quality
          •   Service
          •   Creativity
          •   Flexibility
          •   On time delivery
          •   Financial stability
          •   Stability of workforce
          •   Thinking along with customers
          •   Personal contacts
          •   Skills (printing)
          •   It-skills

                                                  5
Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?
   Same question for printers / print buyers
        Rating on a scale from 1   (not important)   to 5
         (extremely important)
        Sometimes interesting differences between
         what printers think is important and what
         print buyers really consider important…




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Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?
   Rating on a scale from 1 to 5
                               Printers        Print buyers
Price                            3,94      8       3,94        7
Quality                          4,11      5       4,56        2
Service                          4,31      3       4,34        5
Creativity                       3,23     10       3,42       11
Flexibility                      4,40      2       4,47        3
On time delivery                 4,44      1       4,78        1
Financial stability              3,08     11       3,66       10
Stability of workforce           2,90     12       3,06       12
Think along with customers       4,13      4       4,16        6
Personal contacts                4,02      7       3,68        9
Skills (printing, graphic arts) 4,03       6       4,38        4
IT-skills                        3,26      9       3,75        8


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Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?
   But… if we ask this in a different way…
        Which factor is the most important, the
         second most important and the third most
         important?
        Then we see something different…




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Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?
   But… if we ask this in a different way…
     Most important factor             Printers Print buyers
       price                              42%        45%
       quality                            10%        36%
       service                            23%         3%
       creativity                         0%          0%
       flexibility                        16%         9%
       on time delivery                   0%          0%
       financial stability                5%          6%
       stability workforce                0%          0%
       think along with customers         0%          0%
       personal contacts                  3%          0%
       Skills (printing, graphic arts)    2%          0%
       IT-skills                          0%          0%

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Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?
   But… if we ask this in a different way…
Number of times mentioned
in top 3                        Printers        Print buyers
Price                              96%      1        97%        1
Quality                            54%      2       76%         2
Service                            48%      3        30%        5
Creativity                          3%      8        3%         8
Flexibility                        43%      4        33%        4
On time delivery                    0%     11        0%        11
Financial stability                26%      5       39%         3
Stability workforce                 3%      8        3%         8
Think along with customers          0%     11        3%         8
Personal contacts                  13%      6        6%         7
Skills (printing, graphic arts)     8%      7        0%        11
IT-skills                           3%      8        9%         6
                                                                    10
Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?
   Scale 1-5 vs Top 3
        On time delivery
          • Highest ranking for both
          • But nowhere in Top 3…
        Skills
          • Resp. 6th / 4th ranking (printers resp. print buyers)
          • But only 8% / 0% in Top 3…
        Thinking along with customers
          • Resp. 4th / 6th ranking
          • But only 0% / 3% in Top 3
        So… it seems that both printers and print
         buyers take these for granted…
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E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it
   Q: already being approached by
    customer to participate in e-auction?
        39% yes, 61% no
        If not, would you consider to participate?
          • 46% yes, 54% no
        If yes, how did you evaluate it?
          • Scale 1 (very negative) – 5 (very positive)
               •   1: 48%
               •   2: 38%
               •   3: 10%
               •   4: 0%
               •   5: 3%

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E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it
   Q: was the e-auction organised by
    existing customer?
        63% yes, 37% no
   Q: did you get enough time to prepare?
        58% yes, 42% no
   Q: were the specifications, questions, …
    clear enough?
        48% yes, 52% no




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E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it
   Q: were there printed samples?
        38% yes, 62% no
        If not, do you believe they were necessary?
          • 83% yes, 17% no
   Q: were there technical problems during
    the auction?
        31% yes, 69% no
   Q: who got the order?
        No idea: 34%
        The cheapest: 28%
        Best price/quality: 0%
        Shortlist, further negotiation: 31%
        Other: 7%
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E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it
   Note: now are sample gets thin…
   Q: if you got the job, did it generate
    extra work?
        1 resp.   (17%)   yes, 5 resp.   (83%)   no
   Q: were jobs conform specifications?
        0 resp. (0%) yes, 5 resp. (100%) no
        If not, did this have an influence on the
         production cost?
          • 5 resp. (100%) yes, 0 resp. (0%) no
        Could you charge these extra costs?
          • 3 resp. (60%) yes, 2 resp. (40%) no…
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E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it
   Q: did you get other jobs than those that
    were auctioned?
        3 resp.   (50%)   yes, 3 resp.   (50%)   no
   Conclusions
        The opinion of printers on e-auctions is
         very negative
        And often with reason…
          •   Technical problems
          •   Not enough time to prepare
          •   Not enough or not the right information
          •   No extra jobs, only lots of paper work and a
              lower (or no) margin…
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E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it
   Q: how important are cost savings?
        Scale 1 (not important) – 5 (very important)
          •   1: 3%
          •   2: 9%
          •   3: 14%
          •   4: 27%
          •   5: 45%

   Q: how do you want to realise savings?
        Asking more printers for quotes: 58%
        Working with printer to save costs: 64%
        Standardising print jobs: 42%
        Centralisation of print buying: 55%
        E-auctions: 15%
        Buying raw materials (e.g. paper) themselves: 24%
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E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it
   Q: did you ever consider e-auctions?
        10 resp.   (30%)   yes, 23 resp.   (70%)   no
          • Yes: mainly corporates,
          • No: e.g. publishers, financial corporations
        If not, why not?
          • Never heared about it: 6 resp. (24%)
          • Don’t believe in Internet-technology: 1 resp.
             (4%)
          • Don’t believe in ROI of project: 6 resp. (24%)
          • Don’t believe in a good relation afterwards: 12
            resp. (48%)



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E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it
   Q: what did you expect to get out of it?
        Cutting costs: 7 resp. (100%)
        Time savings: 3 resp. (43%)
        Better insight in market prices: 6 resp.
         (100%)

   Q: who got the jobs?
        Cheapest bidder: 2 resp. (40%)
        Negotiations with Top 3: 3 resp.              (60%)

   Q: agreements regarding changes?
        4 resp.   (67%)   yes, 2 resp.   (33%)   no

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E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it
   Q: more e-auctions in the future?
        7 resp.   (100%)   yes!
   Q: would you do it different?
        5 resp. (71%) yes, 2 resp. (29%) no
        What would you do different?
          •   More information to printers
          •   Getting to know people behind the screen
          •   Better specifications
          •   Less paperwork
          •   Being more professional…



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Some Interviews
   Printers
        They’re not happy… they feel they don’t
         have any control over it
        Too much paperwork, not in relation to
         possible profit
        Some questions are intrusive… (e.g. price
         structure, pricing policies)
        Sometimes complex jobs need to be
         treated as commodities
        The outcome isn’t clear and this leaves a
         bad impression
        And ‘accidents’ happen…
                                                     21
Some Interviews
   Print Buyers
        They are looking for professional and stable
         partners, also financially stable
        They also cry for partnerships, for problem
         solving!
          • And they expect initiative from their printers!
        Most important trend: bringing down the
         number of suppliers
        Cutting costs is important, but cutting the
         complete cost, not only the print cost…
          • Look at it in a broader perspective!
        Cost savings with e-auction: 10, max. 20%
                                                              22
Some Interviews
   Print Buyers
        A pharmaceutical company…
          • The did e-auctions, for rather complex
            promotional material
          • The didn’t do e-auctions for very
            straightforward stationary…
          • Why?
              • Because their printer had installed a web-based
                ordering system and also did the logistics to
                deliver the ordered stationary to the desk…
              • And this was difficult to replace…




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Conclusions?
   Printers don’t exactly know what their
    customers consider important
        E.g. financial stability, partnership
   Printers don’t like e-auctions
        The organisation of e-auctions can be
         improved
          • E.g. less paper work, better support, better
            specifications, printed samples
        They (usually) don’t generate extra work
        But print buyers do like e-auctions…


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Conclusions?
   Do they make sense?
        Well, they might…
          • If it’s for more or less standardised print jobs
               • Not for ‘project’ print jobs!
          • And don’t use a nuclear missile to shoot a
            mosquito…
               • Lots of extra costs, work involved…
        But beware…
          • The organisation must be perfect: no technical
            problems, not too much paper work, good
            questions and clear specifications
        And there is a need for a personal
         approach…
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Thanks!




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eddy.hagen@vigc.org
http://www.vigc.org

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Strategic Partners VIGC




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E-auctions and Reverse Auctions. Do They Make Sense? (2005)

  • 1. E-auctions and Reverse Auctions Do They Make Sense? Eddy Hagen, VIGC 1
  • 2. E-auctions & Reverse Auctions  Printers say…  Shocking!  Crazy!  Are we still allowed to make money???  Print buyers say…  Great tool to cut prices! 2
  • 3. E-auctions & Reverse Auctions  What’s it all about?  New way of ‘selling’ jobs to printers  Procedure: • Information gathering, at selected printers • First quotes by printers • Top 5 e.g. is selected • Online, live ‘auction’ of jobs • Printers see the price level of competitors and can adjust their prices, downwards of course… • Other criteria than price can be taken into account for ranking • Outcome: either winner gets it all, or negotiations with top 3 3
  • 4. VIGC Study  3 parts:  Survey - General part: how good do printers know their customers, how do buyers appreciate the printers  Survey - E-auctions as such  Interviews with printers & print buyers  Survey:  Online survey  100 participants, 2/3 printers, 1/3 print buyers 4
  • 5. Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?  Same question for printers / print buyers  How important are following factors in choosing a printer? • Price • Quality • Service • Creativity • Flexibility • On time delivery • Financial stability • Stability of workforce • Thinking along with customers • Personal contacts • Skills (printing) • It-skills 5
  • 6. Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?  Same question for printers / print buyers  Rating on a scale from 1 (not important) to 5 (extremely important)  Sometimes interesting differences between what printers think is important and what print buyers really consider important… 6
  • 7. Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?  Rating on a scale from 1 to 5 Printers Print buyers Price 3,94 8 3,94 7 Quality 4,11 5 4,56 2 Service 4,31 3 4,34 5 Creativity 3,23 10 3,42 11 Flexibility 4,40 2 4,47 3 On time delivery 4,44 1 4,78 1 Financial stability 3,08 11 3,66 10 Stability of workforce 2,90 12 3,06 12 Think along with customers 4,13 4 4,16 6 Personal contacts 4,02 7 3,68 9 Skills (printing, graphic arts) 4,03 6 4,38 4 IT-skills 3,26 9 3,75 8 7
  • 8. Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?  But… if we ask this in a different way…  Which factor is the most important, the second most important and the third most important?  Then we see something different… 8
  • 9. Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?  But… if we ask this in a different way… Most important factor Printers Print buyers price 42% 45% quality 10% 36% service 23% 3% creativity 0% 0% flexibility 16% 9% on time delivery 0% 0% financial stability 5% 6% stability workforce 0% 0% think along with customers 0% 0% personal contacts 3% 0% Skills (printing, graphic arts) 2% 0% IT-skills 0% 0% 9
  • 10. Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?  But… if we ask this in a different way… Number of times mentioned in top 3 Printers Print buyers Price 96% 1 97% 1 Quality 54% 2 76% 2 Service 48% 3 30% 5 Creativity 3% 8 3% 8 Flexibility 43% 4 33% 4 On time delivery 0% 11 0% 11 Financial stability 26% 5 39% 3 Stability workforce 3% 8 3% 8 Think along with customers 0% 11 3% 8 Personal contacts 13% 6 6% 7 Skills (printing, graphic arts) 8% 7 0% 11 IT-skills 3% 8 9% 6 10
  • 11. Do Printers Know what Buyers Want?  Scale 1-5 vs Top 3  On time delivery • Highest ranking for both • But nowhere in Top 3…  Skills • Resp. 6th / 4th ranking (printers resp. print buyers) • But only 8% / 0% in Top 3…  Thinking along with customers • Resp. 4th / 6th ranking • But only 0% / 3% in Top 3  So… it seems that both printers and print buyers take these for granted… 11
  • 12. E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it  Q: already being approached by customer to participate in e-auction?  39% yes, 61% no  If not, would you consider to participate? • 46% yes, 54% no  If yes, how did you evaluate it? • Scale 1 (very negative) – 5 (very positive) • 1: 48% • 2: 38% • 3: 10% • 4: 0% • 5: 3% 12
  • 13. E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it  Q: was the e-auction organised by existing customer?  63% yes, 37% no  Q: did you get enough time to prepare?  58% yes, 42% no  Q: were the specifications, questions, … clear enough?  48% yes, 52% no 13
  • 14. E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it  Q: were there printed samples?  38% yes, 62% no  If not, do you believe they were necessary? • 83% yes, 17% no  Q: were there technical problems during the auction?  31% yes, 69% no  Q: who got the order?  No idea: 34%  The cheapest: 28%  Best price/quality: 0%  Shortlist, further negotiation: 31%  Other: 7% 14
  • 15. E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it  Note: now are sample gets thin…  Q: if you got the job, did it generate extra work?  1 resp. (17%) yes, 5 resp. (83%) no  Q: were jobs conform specifications?  0 resp. (0%) yes, 5 resp. (100%) no  If not, did this have an influence on the production cost? • 5 resp. (100%) yes, 0 resp. (0%) no  Could you charge these extra costs? • 3 resp. (60%) yes, 2 resp. (40%) no… 15
  • 16. E-auctions, the Printer’s Vision on it  Q: did you get other jobs than those that were auctioned?  3 resp. (50%) yes, 3 resp. (50%) no  Conclusions  The opinion of printers on e-auctions is very negative  And often with reason… • Technical problems • Not enough time to prepare • Not enough or not the right information • No extra jobs, only lots of paper work and a lower (or no) margin… 16
  • 17. E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it  Q: how important are cost savings?  Scale 1 (not important) – 5 (very important) • 1: 3% • 2: 9% • 3: 14% • 4: 27% • 5: 45%  Q: how do you want to realise savings?  Asking more printers for quotes: 58%  Working with printer to save costs: 64%  Standardising print jobs: 42%  Centralisation of print buying: 55%  E-auctions: 15%  Buying raw materials (e.g. paper) themselves: 24% 17
  • 18. E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it  Q: did you ever consider e-auctions?  10 resp. (30%) yes, 23 resp. (70%) no • Yes: mainly corporates, • No: e.g. publishers, financial corporations  If not, why not? • Never heared about it: 6 resp. (24%) • Don’t believe in Internet-technology: 1 resp. (4%) • Don’t believe in ROI of project: 6 resp. (24%) • Don’t believe in a good relation afterwards: 12 resp. (48%) 18
  • 19. E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it  Q: what did you expect to get out of it?  Cutting costs: 7 resp. (100%)  Time savings: 3 resp. (43%)  Better insight in market prices: 6 resp. (100%)  Q: who got the jobs?  Cheapest bidder: 2 resp. (40%)  Negotiations with Top 3: 3 resp. (60%)  Q: agreements regarding changes?  4 resp. (67%) yes, 2 resp. (33%) no 19
  • 20. E-auctions, the Buyer’s Vision on it  Q: more e-auctions in the future?  7 resp. (100%) yes!  Q: would you do it different?  5 resp. (71%) yes, 2 resp. (29%) no  What would you do different? • More information to printers • Getting to know people behind the screen • Better specifications • Less paperwork • Being more professional… 20
  • 21. Some Interviews  Printers  They’re not happy… they feel they don’t have any control over it  Too much paperwork, not in relation to possible profit  Some questions are intrusive… (e.g. price structure, pricing policies)  Sometimes complex jobs need to be treated as commodities  The outcome isn’t clear and this leaves a bad impression  And ‘accidents’ happen… 21
  • 22. Some Interviews  Print Buyers  They are looking for professional and stable partners, also financially stable  They also cry for partnerships, for problem solving! • And they expect initiative from their printers!  Most important trend: bringing down the number of suppliers  Cutting costs is important, but cutting the complete cost, not only the print cost… • Look at it in a broader perspective!  Cost savings with e-auction: 10, max. 20% 22
  • 23. Some Interviews  Print Buyers  A pharmaceutical company… • The did e-auctions, for rather complex promotional material • The didn’t do e-auctions for very straightforward stationary… • Why? • Because their printer had installed a web-based ordering system and also did the logistics to deliver the ordered stationary to the desk… • And this was difficult to replace… 23
  • 24. Conclusions?  Printers don’t exactly know what their customers consider important  E.g. financial stability, partnership  Printers don’t like e-auctions  The organisation of e-auctions can be improved • E.g. less paper work, better support, better specifications, printed samples  They (usually) don’t generate extra work  But print buyers do like e-auctions… 24
  • 25. Conclusions?  Do they make sense?  Well, they might… • If it’s for more or less standardised print jobs • Not for ‘project’ print jobs! • And don’t use a nuclear missile to shoot a mosquito… • Lots of extra costs, work involved…  But beware… • The organisation must be perfect: no technical problems, not too much paper work, good questions and clear specifications  And there is a need for a personal approach… 25
  • 26. Thanks! 26