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Customer Conversations by Simone Driessen
Startups don’t fail because
of product development
We know what we can build
Customer development
Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Pivot
Search
Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Pivot
Search
Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Execute
Pivot
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Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Execute
Learn
Pivot
Search
Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Execute
Learn Confirm
Pivot
Search
Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Execute
Learn Confirm AARRR
Pivot
Search
Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Execute
Learn Confirm CEO hired
Pivot
AARRR
Search
Customer
Discovery
Customer
Validation
Customer
Creation
Company
Building
Execute
Learn Confirm CEO hired
Entrepreneurs start to think about leaving
Pivot
AARRR
Startups fail
because …
Startups fail because
of a lack of customers
Just because you build it,
that does not mean they will come
By Steve Blank
Customer development
Customer Conversations
Why would you do them?
Learn Confirm
Why would you have
Customer Conversations?
18
What would you like
to be more sure of?
Topics
Generate topics
Customer
Development
Ga het gesprek aan
W O R K S H O P I N T R A C TO
Dear mom,
Don’t you think I’m great?
Love,
Your son
It’s not just your mom
People want to be helpful, more than being honest.
How can we get facts?
How can we get facts?
- Talk about their life, not your concept
How can we get facts?
- Talk about their life, not your concept
- Ask about specifics,
How can we get facts?
- Talk about their life, not your concept
- Ask about specifics, from the past
How can we get facts?
Anything future related is worthless as we cannot
predict the future with certainty.
Do you think this is a
good idea?
Do you think this is a
good idea?
How do you currently
deal with this?
How do you currently
deal with this?
When does this
happen?
When does this
happen?
Would you buy a product
that would solve this?
Would you buy a product
that would solve this?
Please show me how
you do this?
Please show me how
you do this?
Can you talk me through the last
time that you experienced this?
Can you talk me through the last
time that you experienced this?
How much would you
pay for this?
How much would you
pay for this?
How much does this
currently cost you?
How much does this
currently cost you?
How do we do this as
casual as possible?
Scene of the customer
Start with softball [easy
to handle] questions
Go out in pairs
Go out in pairs
Where one leads the conversation
And the other takes notes out of sight
• Symbols:
(from the mom-test)
By Salim Virani
How do you screw it up?
How do you screw it up?
- Use a script or survey instead of topics
How do you screw it up?
- Use a script or survey instead of topics
- Talk about your business, instead of listening
How do you screw it up?
- Use a script or survey instead of topics
- Talk about your business, instead of listening
- Try to sell, instead of learn
How do you screw it up?
- Use a script or survey instead of topics
- Talk about your business, instead of listening
- Try to sell, instead of learn
- Leading your questions
If you are going to lead
your questions anywhere
Try to lead them towards invalidation
Learn Confirm
Good or bad
conversation?
“That’s so cool. I love
it!”
“That’s so cool. I love
it!”
“There are a couple of people I can
introduce you to, when you’re
ready.”
“There are a couple of people I can
introduce you to, when you’re
ready.”
“What are the next steps?”
“What are the next steps?”
“Looks great, let me know
when it launches.”
“Looks great, let me know
when it launches.”
“Can I buy the prototype?”
“Can I buy the prototype?”
“When can you come back and
talk to the rest of the team?”
“When can you come back and
talk to the rest of the team?”
Commitments
Commitments
- Time [next meeting, taking part in trial]
Commitments
- Time [next meeting, taking part in trial]
- Reputation risk [introduction to peers]
Commitments
- Time [next meeting, taking part in trial]
- Reputation risk [introduction to peers]
- Cash [letter of intent, deposit, pre-order or sale]
128
JFDI
- Set topics
- Do at least 5 to 10 Customer Conversations

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