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Small Scale PA
Presented by: James Powell, P.Eng.
20XX-XX-XX
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Agenda
•What has changed?
•The application
•The HART solution
•The problem with HART/ why PA
•The PA solutions
•How do the economics work out?
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What has changed?
Up until the last few years, the cheapest Profibus master was still
over a thousand £.
Then…
-HMS Ethernet to Profibus gateway (~450 £)
-S7-1200 micro PLC with Profibus interface (~500 £)
-IFAK gateways (~1200 £)
Plus, to link to PA, last year there were two manufacturers, now
there are 4:
-Siemens
-P+F
-Procentec
-IFAK
Profibus is not just for large applications anymore!
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Application: Small Scale Oil and Gas
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The HART solution
Multi-drop HART
Used a HART to Modbus RTU converter (HCS by Moore
Industries)
3.6 mA
I total = 8*3.6 = 28.8 mA200 ohms
5.76 V
28V
22.24 V
Minimum Voltage for LR250 ~ 18.2 V
Results
90% of sites worked with the odd problem
9% of sites were problematic
1% of sites did not work at all
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Problem with HART
-Sizing the HART resister (having to modify it in cold weather
operation)
-HART waveform
3.6 mA
I total = 8*3.6 = 28.8 mA200 ohms
5.76 V
28V
22.24 V
Minimum Voltage for LR250 ~ 18.2 V
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Why Profibus PA?
Very robust physical layer
Easier to put together than multi-drop HART (no HART resister to size)
New features possible:
- IS wiring possible
- status information
- transparency to the instrument
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Robust Physical Layer - Examples
Jetso-Diesel Orange Sky
Univar Baker Petrolite
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Simple Wiring
Simple Trunk wiring
No fancy junction boxes
Simple terminal strips
No HART resister
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Flame-proof vs. Intrinsically Safe
 Rigid Conduit
 Epoxy Seals
 Expensive fittings
 Longer time to install
 Not very flexible
 More expensive
 Can’t do live service
 Not as safe
 Flexible cable
 Plastic cable glands
 Simple to install
 Safer (less prone to
human error)
 Live servicing
EX Proof
Costs $$
Intrinsically Safe
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Status Information is transmitted each time
BYTE 1 BYTE 2 BYTE 3 BYTE 4 STATUS
IEEE FLOATING POINT VALUE STATUS BYTE
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Transparency* to the Instrument is now possible with new hardware!
*Note: Transparency can be done with HART as well, but not with the hardware they were using
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1st Trial Site!
Picked the site that HART would not work at all
Replaced the LR250 HART heads with LR250 PA heads
Changed the wiring
Used simple terminal strips
It worked right away!
No repeats and a perfect waveform!
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The current solution!
PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s)
CLASS 1 DIV 1
PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s)
GSM/GPRS Modem
Ethernet Switch
Micro-PLC (Schneider Electric)
SITRANS LR250
Anybus Gateway (Profibus master on
One side and Modbus TCP/IP server on the
Other side)
Siemens DP/PA Ex Couplers
Pactware with SITRANS DTM
INDUSTRIAL ETHERNET
MODBUS TCP/IP
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The current solution!
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Economics of PA and IS instead of Ex construction
Multi-drop HART (using Ex)
-Used cheaper gateway
-Had no transparency
-Expensive Ex fittings
-Because of Ex fittings, instruments
are hard to remove
- HART comms did not always work
Profibus PA (using IS)
-Used cheaper fittings
-Did not have be careful with conduit
-Had a more expensive gateway
-Required couplers
-Instruments were slightly more expensive
-Had transparency
-Worked!
For their typical application, the Profibus solution was only between 15% and 20% more expensive
then HART multi-drop, but cheaper when you take into account that:
- Profibus worked!
- Transparency could reduce site visits
- if you have to change an instruments, it was now easy!
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Alternate Solution
PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s)
CLASS 1 DIV 1
PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s)
GSM/GPRS Modem
Micro-PLC
Ethernet Switch
IFAK IsNet Lite with Modbus and PA module
Pactware with SITRANS DTM
LR250
This has a lower capital costs
Profinet
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Contact
James Powell
Business Developer
Process Instruments / Siemens Canada
1954 Technology Dr.
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J7B1
Phone: +49 (123) 45 67 89
Fax: +49 (123) 45 67 89
Mobile: +49 (123) 45 67 89 0
E-mail:
james.powell@siemens.com
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C4 small scale pa application, james powell

  • 1. Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. siemens.com/answers Small Scale PA Presented by: James Powell, P.Eng.
  • 2. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 2 Author / Department Agenda •What has changed? •The application •The HART solution •The problem with HART/ why PA •The PA solutions •How do the economics work out?
  • 3. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 3 Author / Department What has changed? Up until the last few years, the cheapest Profibus master was still over a thousand £. Then… -HMS Ethernet to Profibus gateway (~450 £) -S7-1200 micro PLC with Profibus interface (~500 £) -IFAK gateways (~1200 £) Plus, to link to PA, last year there were two manufacturers, now there are 4: -Siemens -P+F -Procentec -IFAK Profibus is not just for large applications anymore!
  • 4. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 4 Author / Department Application: Small Scale Oil and Gas
  • 5. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 5 Author / Department The HART solution Multi-drop HART Used a HART to Modbus RTU converter (HCS by Moore Industries) 3.6 mA I total = 8*3.6 = 28.8 mA200 ohms 5.76 V 28V 22.24 V Minimum Voltage for LR250 ~ 18.2 V Results 90% of sites worked with the odd problem 9% of sites were problematic 1% of sites did not work at all
  • 6. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 6 Author / Department Problem with HART -Sizing the HART resister (having to modify it in cold weather operation) -HART waveform 3.6 mA I total = 8*3.6 = 28.8 mA200 ohms 5.76 V 28V 22.24 V Minimum Voltage for LR250 ~ 18.2 V
  • 7. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 7 Author / Department Why Profibus PA? Very robust physical layer Easier to put together than multi-drop HART (no HART resister to size) New features possible: - IS wiring possible - status information - transparency to the instrument
  • 8. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 8 Author / Department Robust Physical Layer - Examples Jetso-Diesel Orange Sky Univar Baker Petrolite
  • 9. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 9 Author / Department Simple Wiring Simple Trunk wiring No fancy junction boxes Simple terminal strips No HART resister
  • 10. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 10 Author / Department Flame-proof vs. Intrinsically Safe  Rigid Conduit  Epoxy Seals  Expensive fittings  Longer time to install  Not very flexible  More expensive  Can’t do live service  Not as safe  Flexible cable  Plastic cable glands  Simple to install  Safer (less prone to human error)  Live servicing EX Proof Costs $$ Intrinsically Safe
  • 11. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 11 Author / Department Status Information is transmitted each time BYTE 1 BYTE 2 BYTE 3 BYTE 4 STATUS IEEE FLOATING POINT VALUE STATUS BYTE
  • 12. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 12 Author / Department Transparency* to the Instrument is now possible with new hardware! *Note: Transparency can be done with HART as well, but not with the hardware they were using
  • 13. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 13 Author / Department 1st Trial Site! Picked the site that HART would not work at all Replaced the LR250 HART heads with LR250 PA heads Changed the wiring Used simple terminal strips It worked right away! No repeats and a perfect waveform!
  • 14. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 14 Author / Department The current solution! PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s) CLASS 1 DIV 1 PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s) GSM/GPRS Modem Ethernet Switch Micro-PLC (Schneider Electric) SITRANS LR250 Anybus Gateway (Profibus master on One side and Modbus TCP/IP server on the Other side) Siemens DP/PA Ex Couplers Pactware with SITRANS DTM INDUSTRIAL ETHERNET MODBUS TCP/IP
  • 15. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 15 Author / Department The current solution!
  • 16. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 16 Author / Department Economics of PA and IS instead of Ex construction Multi-drop HART (using Ex) -Used cheaper gateway -Had no transparency -Expensive Ex fittings -Because of Ex fittings, instruments are hard to remove - HART comms did not always work Profibus PA (using IS) -Used cheaper fittings -Did not have be careful with conduit -Had a more expensive gateway -Required couplers -Instruments were slightly more expensive -Had transparency -Worked! For their typical application, the Profibus solution was only between 15% and 20% more expensive then HART multi-drop, but cheaper when you take into account that: - Profibus worked! - Transparency could reduce site visits - if you have to change an instruments, it was now easy!
  • 17. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 17 Author / Department Alternate Solution PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s) CLASS 1 DIV 1 PROFIBUS Pa (31.25 K bit/s) GSM/GPRS Modem Micro-PLC Ethernet Switch IFAK IsNet Lite with Modbus and PA module Pactware with SITRANS DTM LR250 This has a lower capital costs Profinet
  • 18. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 18 Author / Department
  • 19. 20XX-XX-XX Restricted © Siemens AG 20XX All rights reserved. Page 19 Author / Department Contact James Powell Business Developer Process Instruments / Siemens Canada 1954 Technology Dr. Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J7B1 Phone: +49 (123) 45 67 89 Fax: +49 (123) 45 67 89 Mobile: +49 (123) 45 67 89 0 E-mail: james.powell@siemens.com siemens.com/answers