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When Scrum is getting to tight – widen the 
framework, gain flexibility. A field report 
www.autoscout24.de 
Product 
Management 
Festival 2014 
Katrin Grothues 
Zurich, 
17. September 2014 
www.autoscout24.de
Who is AutoScout24 
und who am I?
AutoScout24 – IT IS ALL ABOUT CARS. 
More than 2 million new and used cars 
17.1 million visitors a year in Germany (WNK, ACTA 2012) 
The largest online car marketplace Europe-wide 
Over 100,000 used commercial vehicles 
More than 10 million people Europe-wide use 
AutoScout24 every month 
More than 300 million virtual vehicle 
inspections per month in Europe 
More than 40,000 dealer clients Europe-wide 
More than 100,000 motorcycles
AutoScout24 - Europe 
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Involved in the markets in 18 countries, 
AutoScout24 is the largest online car 
marketplace Europe-wide. 
AutoScout24 has more than 
360 employees throughout 
Europe.
A few words about myself 
Born in Marl / Ruhrgebiet 
Since 01/2012: Product Manager Vehicle Market Dealer Products @ AutoScout24 
Before: 3.5 years strategie and projectmanagement at big e-commerce companies 
Education: Cultural Science (M.A.), University of Lüneburg 
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From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
What do you get today – and what not? 
Page 6 
- 
Introduction to Scrum 
Introduction to Kanban 
A discussion about the differences 
between these methods 
Problems 
Findings 
Actions 
Metrics 
of my 
team 
Inspiration for you 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
Scrum by the book – that‘s 
where we started
Agile development @ AutoScout24 
Research  User Experience 
Page 8 
PO* PM* Developer QA 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 
Agile Coaches 
Design 
*Productowner / Productmanager
Fixed 2-weekly sprint iterations 
1. week 2. week 3. week 4. w… 
Retro 
Page 9 
Estimation 
Planning 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 
Estimation 
Estimation 
Retro Planning 
2 week sprint 
Planning every 2 weeks ½-1 day 
fixed commitment 
Estimation 1 time per week Retro every 2 weeks
But we had some problems 
with it
1. What fits into the sprint – what not? 
Page 11 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 
1. Story – 3 SP 
2. Story – 1 SP 
3. Story – 3 SP 
4. Story – 3 SP 
5. Story – 5 SP 
6. Story – 1 SP 
7. Story – 5 SP
2. A lot of waste for preparation 
Page 12 
3. Story – 3 SP 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 
1. Story – 3 SP 
2. Story – 1 SP 
4. Story – 3 SP 
5. Story – 5 SP 
6. Story – 1 SP 
7. Story – 5 SP
3. Inflexibility 
Page 13 
1. Story – 3 SP 
2. Story – 1 SP 
3. Story – 5 SP 
4. Story – 1 SP 
5. Story – 3 SP 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
4. Long plannings 
Page 14 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
5. Time gap between planning and implementation 
Page 15 
Planning Start Story 3 Planning 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 
?
6. Stress in the end 
Achieve commitment Testing 
Page 16 
Planning Planning 
Design acceptance 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 
Tracking acceptance 
PM acceptance
Enough reasons for a change 
Commited stories are not driven by priority. 
Little flexibility and a lot of waste. 
Long planning meetings. 
Time gap between planning and implementation. 
Difficult to onboard. 
Acceptance stress in the end. 
Page 17 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
Sometimes you have to leave the ground 
Page 18 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
Our Hypothesis
The fixed [2-weekly] iteration is 
the problem 
Page 20 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… 
… we‘ll gain flexibility and can keep the priority. 
Page 21 
1. Story – 3 SP 
2. Story – 1 SP 
3. Story – 5 SP 
4. Story – 1 SP 
5. Story – 3 SP 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… 
… we‘ll produce less waste. 
Page 22 
1. Story – 3 SP 
2. Story – 1 SP 
3. Story – 5 SP 
4. Story – 1 SP 
5. Story – 3 SP 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… 
… we‘ll have shorter plannings. 
Page 23 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… 
… implementation will follow directly after planning. 
Page 24 
! 
Implementation Implementation 
Implementation 
Planning Planning Planning 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… 
… we‘ll have less acceptance stress. 
Page 25 
Implementation Implementation Implementation 
Planning Planning Planning 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
That‘s how we changed our 
schedule
The full picture of our working schedule 
1. week 2. week 3. week 4. w… 
Retro 
Page 27 
Estimation 
Implementation Implementation Implementation 
Planning 
Planning Planning 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 
Estimation 
Retro 
Estimation 
No fixed sprint iterations 
Planning on demand 
No fixed commitment 
Estimation 1 time per week Retro every 2 weeks
Do the changes help us? 
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, priority will determine the sequence. 
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll gain flexibility. 
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll produce less waste. 
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll have shorter plannings. 
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, onboarding will be easier. 
If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll have less acceptance stress. 
Page 28 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
And now, everything‘s fine? 
Concerns of a PM.
Timing, velocity and organisation 
Page 30 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
When do we finish a story? 
Page 31 
First estimation in planning. 
Communication in Daily. 
Communication with external stakeholders. 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
Will my team get slow? 
Page 32 
Measure Leadtime. 
PM has to be disciplined. 
Devs have to be disciplined. 
All tasks have to be put into the backlog – 
no inofficial tasks. 
Additional Task Lane. 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
How do I organise Planning on Demand? 
Page 33 
Planning 1 will be shifted to Estimation. 
PM takes part in Planning. 
All Devs take part in Planning. 
The team gets an own room. 
Daily planning slot in the morning. 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
Closing notes  take aways
„Scrumban“ solved a lot of problems… 
More flexibility and less waste. 
Short planning. 
Sequence is determined by priority. 
Planning is directly followed by implementation. 
Easy onboarding. 
Less acceptance stress in the end. 
Page 35 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
…but it holds new challenges! 
Discipline on both PM and Dev side. 
Keep an eye on velocity 
Communication – internal and external – about Timings. 
Meeting organisation. 
! 
! 
! 
! 
Page 36 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
What should you take away? 
Every process should only support your team. Change the process, if it 
constrains you. 
„Scrumban“ has a lot of advantages, but also new challenges. 
Decide together, if and what to change. 
Observe yourself: do the changes support you? If not, change again! 
Without discipline in all roles it won‘t work out. 
Page 37 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
Thanks for your attention! 
Page 38 
Contact me 
on Xing 
https://www.xing.com/profile/Katrin_Grothues 
on LinkedIn 
http://de.linkedin.com/in/katringrothues 
My presentations are available on SlideShare 
http://de.slideshare.net/KatrinGrothues 
From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
www.autoscout24.de 
Thank you for your 
attention! 
Kontakt: 
AutoScout24 GmbH 
Dingolfinger Straße 1-15 
81673 München 
www.autoscout24.de 
Katrin Grothues 
Fon +49 89 444 56-1159 
Fax +49 89 444 56 19-1159 
kgrothues@autoscout24.com

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Product Management Festival 2014 Zürich - From Scrum to "Scrumban"

  • 1. When Scrum is getting to tight – widen the framework, gain flexibility. A field report www.autoscout24.de Product Management Festival 2014 Katrin Grothues Zurich, 17. September 2014 www.autoscout24.de
  • 2. Who is AutoScout24 und who am I?
  • 3. AutoScout24 – IT IS ALL ABOUT CARS. More than 2 million new and used cars 17.1 million visitors a year in Germany (WNK, ACTA 2012) The largest online car marketplace Europe-wide Over 100,000 used commercial vehicles More than 10 million people Europe-wide use AutoScout24 every month More than 300 million virtual vehicle inspections per month in Europe More than 40,000 dealer clients Europe-wide More than 100,000 motorcycles
  • 4. AutoScout24 - Europe RUS S PL NL D B F CH A HR RO BG UA I TR E CZ Involved in the markets in 18 countries, AutoScout24 is the largest online car marketplace Europe-wide. AutoScout24 has more than 360 employees throughout Europe.
  • 5. A few words about myself Born in Marl / Ruhrgebiet Since 01/2012: Product Manager Vehicle Market Dealer Products @ AutoScout24 Before: 3.5 years strategie and projectmanagement at big e-commerce companies Education: Cultural Science (M.A.), University of Lüneburg Page 5 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 6. What do you get today – and what not? Page 6 - Introduction to Scrum Introduction to Kanban A discussion about the differences between these methods Problems Findings Actions Metrics of my team Inspiration for you From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 7. Scrum by the book – that‘s where we started
  • 8. Agile development @ AutoScout24 Research User Experience Page 8 PO* PM* Developer QA From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues Agile Coaches Design *Productowner / Productmanager
  • 9. Fixed 2-weekly sprint iterations 1. week 2. week 3. week 4. w… Retro Page 9 Estimation Planning From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues Estimation Estimation Retro Planning 2 week sprint Planning every 2 weeks ½-1 day fixed commitment Estimation 1 time per week Retro every 2 weeks
  • 10. But we had some problems with it
  • 11. 1. What fits into the sprint – what not? Page 11 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 1. Story – 3 SP 2. Story – 1 SP 3. Story – 3 SP 4. Story – 3 SP 5. Story – 5 SP 6. Story – 1 SP 7. Story – 5 SP
  • 12. 2. A lot of waste for preparation Page 12 3. Story – 3 SP From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues 1. Story – 3 SP 2. Story – 1 SP 4. Story – 3 SP 5. Story – 5 SP 6. Story – 1 SP 7. Story – 5 SP
  • 13. 3. Inflexibility Page 13 1. Story – 3 SP 2. Story – 1 SP 3. Story – 5 SP 4. Story – 1 SP 5. Story – 3 SP From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 14. 4. Long plannings Page 14 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 15. 5. Time gap between planning and implementation Page 15 Planning Start Story 3 Planning From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues ?
  • 16. 6. Stress in the end Achieve commitment Testing Page 16 Planning Planning Design acceptance From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues Tracking acceptance PM acceptance
  • 17. Enough reasons for a change Commited stories are not driven by priority. Little flexibility and a lot of waste. Long planning meetings. Time gap between planning and implementation. Difficult to onboard. Acceptance stress in the end. Page 17 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 18. Sometimes you have to leave the ground Page 18 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 20. The fixed [2-weekly] iteration is the problem Page 20 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 21. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… … we‘ll gain flexibility and can keep the priority. Page 21 1. Story – 3 SP 2. Story – 1 SP 3. Story – 5 SP 4. Story – 1 SP 5. Story – 3 SP From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 22. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… … we‘ll produce less waste. Page 22 1. Story – 3 SP 2. Story – 1 SP 3. Story – 5 SP 4. Story – 1 SP 5. Story – 3 SP From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 23. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… … we‘ll have shorter plannings. Page 23 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 24. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… … implementation will follow directly after planning. Page 24 ! Implementation Implementation Implementation Planning Planning Planning From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 25. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations… … we‘ll have less acceptance stress. Page 25 Implementation Implementation Implementation Planning Planning Planning From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 26. That‘s how we changed our schedule
  • 27. The full picture of our working schedule 1. week 2. week 3. week 4. w… Retro Page 27 Estimation Implementation Implementation Implementation Planning Planning Planning From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues Estimation Retro Estimation No fixed sprint iterations Planning on demand No fixed commitment Estimation 1 time per week Retro every 2 weeks
  • 28. Do the changes help us? If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, priority will determine the sequence. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll gain flexibility. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll produce less waste. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll have shorter plannings. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, onboarding will be easier. If we do not have fixed sprint iterations, we‘ll have less acceptance stress. Page 28 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 29. And now, everything‘s fine? Concerns of a PM.
  • 30. Timing, velocity and organisation Page 30 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 31. When do we finish a story? Page 31 First estimation in planning. Communication in Daily. Communication with external stakeholders. From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 32. Will my team get slow? Page 32 Measure Leadtime. PM has to be disciplined. Devs have to be disciplined. All tasks have to be put into the backlog – no inofficial tasks. Additional Task Lane. From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 33. How do I organise Planning on Demand? Page 33 Planning 1 will be shifted to Estimation. PM takes part in Planning. All Devs take part in Planning. The team gets an own room. Daily planning slot in the morning. From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 34. Closing notes take aways
  • 35. „Scrumban“ solved a lot of problems… More flexibility and less waste. Short planning. Sequence is determined by priority. Planning is directly followed by implementation. Easy onboarding. Less acceptance stress in the end. Page 35 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 36. …but it holds new challenges! Discipline on both PM and Dev side. Keep an eye on velocity Communication – internal and external – about Timings. Meeting organisation. ! ! ! ! Page 36 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 37. What should you take away? Every process should only support your team. Change the process, if it constrains you. „Scrumban“ has a lot of advantages, but also new challenges. Decide together, if and what to change. Observe yourself: do the changes support you? If not, change again! Without discipline in all roles it won‘t work out. Page 37 From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 38. Thanks for your attention! Page 38 Contact me on Xing https://www.xing.com/profile/Katrin_Grothues on LinkedIn http://de.linkedin.com/in/katringrothues My presentations are available on SlideShare http://de.slideshare.net/KatrinGrothues From Scrum to Scrumban| Katrin Grothues
  • 39. www.autoscout24.de Thank you for your attention! Kontakt: AutoScout24 GmbH Dingolfinger Straße 1-15 81673 München www.autoscout24.de Katrin Grothues Fon +49 89 444 56-1159 Fax +49 89 444 56 19-1159 kgrothues@autoscout24.com