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ANDRAGOGY &
 PEDAGOGY
   Presented By
   Babasab patil


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Learning as a Process

Learning is defined as the process of
acquiring , assimilating, and internalizing
cognitive, motor or behavioral inputs for
their effective|and varied use when required,
leading to an enhanced capability for
further self monitored learning.




                                                2-2
Learning process
•   Acquiring of new input terms of knowledge
•   Assimilation
•   Internalization
•    Available for effective use
•    Development of creativity
•   Increase person’s capability

                                                2-3
Stimulus Response Theories
• Classical Conditioning
• Instrumental conditioning
• Operant Conditioning




                                 2-4
Behaviorism
 Classical Conditioning - Pavlov

             A stimulus is presented
             in order to get a response:

                    S         R


                                           2-5
Behaviorism
 Classical Conditioning - Pavlov

    S            US
                               UR

    CS           US


                 CR
                                    2-6
Behaviorism
 Operant Conditioning - Skinner

          The response is made first,
          then reinforcement follows.




                                        2-7
Pedagogy




           2-8
Meaning

• Pedagogue is defined as “a schoolteacher. One who
  instructs in a pedantic or dogmatic manner”. In the
  pedagogic model, teachers assume responsibility for
  making decisions about what is learned, and how and when
  something will be learned.




                                                         2-9
Constructivist Theory
• Formalization of the theory of constructivism is generally
  attributed to Jean Piaget, who articulated mechanisms by
  which knowledge is internalized by learners.

•    He suggested that through processes of accommodation and
    assimilation, individuals construct new knowledge from their
    experiences.

• Constructivism is often associated with pedagogic
  approaches that promote active learning, or learning by
  doing.
                                                               2-10
Pedagogies based on
              constructivism
• Learners learn by experimentation, and not by being told
  what will happen.
• They are left to make their own inferences, discoveries and
  conclusions.
• It also emphasizes that learning is not an "all or nothing"
  process but that students learn the new information that is
  presented to them by building upon knowledge that they
  already possess.
• It is therefore important that teachers constantly assess the
  knowledge their students have gained to make sure that the
  students' perceptions of the new knowledge are what the
  teacher had intended.
                                                              2-11
Pedagogies based on
              constructivism
• The teacher's role is not only to observe and assess but to
  also engage with the students while they are completing
  activities, wondering aloud and posing questions to the
  students for promotion of reasoning.
• The teacher, after reading a story, encourages the students to
  write or draw stories of their own, or by having the students
  reenact a story that they may know well, both activities
  encourage the students to conceive themselves as reader and
  writers.



                                                               2-12
Cognitive Theory
• Grew in response to Behaviorism

• Knowledge is stored cognitively as symbols

• Learning is the process of connecting symbols in a
  meaningful & memorable way

• Studies focused on the mental processes that facilitate
  symbol connection


                                                            2-13
Cognitive Learning Theory

           Discovery Learning –
                          Jerome Bruner

           Meaningful Verbal Learning
                       - David Ausubel




                                          2-14
Cognitive Learning Theory
 Discovery Learning
 1. Bruner said anybody can learn anything at
       any age, provided it is stated in terms
       they can understand.




                                                 2-15
Cognitive Learning Theory
 Discovery Learning

   2. Powerful Concepts (not isolated facts)
   a. Transfer to many different situations
   b. Only possible through Discovery Learning
   c. Confront the learner with problems and help
          them find solutions. Do not present
          sequenced materials.


                                                    2-16
Cognitive Learning Theory
 Meaningful Verbal Learning

   Advance Organizers:

New material is presented
in a systematic way, and is
connected     to   existing
cognitive structures in a
meaningful way.


                                 2-17
Cognitivism in the Classroom
• Inquiry-oriented projects

• Opportunities for the testing of
  hypotheses

• Curiosity encouraged




                                     2-18
Cognitive Dissonance Theory
• Comes from social psychology
• One of the most famous and influential theories

• Proposes that people have a motivational drive
  to reduce dissonance
• By changing their attitudes, beliefs, and
  behaviors, or
• By justifying or rationalizing their
  attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors

                                                    2-19
Cognitive Dissonance
• Cognitive Dissonance:
  The distressing mental state caused by
  inconsistency between a two beliefs or a belief and
  an action.
• Assumption: Humans are consistent. Must
  find a resolution when beliefs conflict, or
  actions don’t match beliefs.
• Example: Slavery and Democracy
                                                    2-20
Reducing Dissonance
• Whenever there is dissonance, we seek to reduce
  it.
1.   Selective Exposure: The tendency to avoid information
     that creates cognitive dissonance and seek out
     information, people who support our beliefs.
•    How to overcome persuasively?
     – Avoid the hard sell
     – Warm personal relationships
     – Example: racial discrimination and my brother

                                                         2-21
Postdecision Dissonance
Strong    doubts      experienced      after    making        an
   important, close-call decision that is difficult to reverse.
    – “buyers remorse”
• Motivates us to seek reassurance, support for our decision.
• Afterwards, tend to rate our choice higher
    – Example: Sour Grapes




                                                              2-22
3. Minimal Justification for Action
       Induces Shift in Attitude
• The best way to change attitudes is to get someone to
  behave in a way dissonant with their beliefs with the
  least amount of incentive.
   – If there isn’t significant external incentive, people
     tend to change attitudes to justify their behavior
   – If external incentive too high, merely achieve
     compliance (behavioral conformity without
     attitude change)
• Example: Would I lie for a dollar?

                                                         2-23
Adult Learning Theories




                          2-24
Andragogy

       Rewriting
          and        experience
       repeating



                             Reflection &
Applying
                               sharing




      Generalizing   Interpretin
         Exp              g
                                            2-25
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Androgogy


 By definition of an adult is someone who has achieved
the self concept of being responsible for their own life.




   Adult Learning: Theories, Assumptions, and
   Perspectives “The art and science of helping adults
   learn”



                                                            2-27
Cont….,


• ANDRAGOGY

• Adults are Autonomous and Self -Directed.

• Adults Have Accumulated a Foundation of Life
  Experiences and Knowledge.

• Adults are Relevancy-oriented

• Adults are Goal-oriented

• Adults are practical Implication for Training

                                                  2-28
Cont….,

• Adults are likely to resist learning conditions that
  conflict with their self concept.

• Adults need to be free to direct themselves.

• Trainer must actively involve adult participants in
  the learning process and serve as facilitators for
  them.


                                                         2-29
History of Adult Learning Theory:
               From “Whatagogy?” to Andragogy

• The Meaning of Adult Education by Eduard Lindeman in 1926
  marked the beginning of adult education as a field
• Adult educators began to look for a unique adult education
  knowledge base
• European adult educators began to use the term andragogy in the
  1950s
• Andragogy finally surfaced and became part of the educational
  language in 1967 with Malcolm Knowles, a prominent scholar in
  the field of adult education.
                                                               2-30
Andragogy Defined

• The term andragogy is based on the Greek work aner (with the
  stem andr-) meaning „man not boy‟ (Plato‟s idea that adults
  continue to learn

• The Modern Practice of Adult Education: Andragogy versus
  Pedagogy (1970) Malcolm Knowles

• Knowles defines andragogy as the art and science of helping
  adults learn in contrast with pedagogy, which concerns helping
  children learn

• Is Andragogy a learning theory or a set of assumptions?
                                                                2-31
Assumptions of Andragogy

• Adults need to know why they need to learn something

• Adults need to learn experientially

• Adults approach learning as a problem solving

• Adults learn best when the topic is immediate value




                                                         2-32
The principles of andragogy
• Adults need to be involved in the planning & evaluation of
  their instructions

• Experience provides the basis for learning activities

• Adults are most interested in learning subjects that have
  immediate relevance to their job or personal life

• Adult learning is a problem centered rather than content
  oriented


                                                              2-33
Malcolm Knowles


• In the minds of many around the adult education field,
  andragogy and the name of Malcolm Knowles have
  become inextricably linked. For Knowles, andragogy is
  premised on at least four crucial assumptions about the
  characteristics of adult learners that are different from the
  assumptions about child learners on which traditional
  pedagogy is premised. A fifth was added later.

                                                             2-34
Cont……

• Self-concept: As a person matures his self concept moves from
    one of being a dependent personality toward one of being a
    self-directed human being
•   Experience: As a person matures he accumulates a growing
    reservoir of experience that becomes an increasing resource
    for learning.
•   Readiness to learn. As a person matures his readiness to learn
    becomes oriented increasingly to the developmental tasks of
    his social roles.

                                                                  2-35
Cont……


• Orientation to learning. As a person matures his time
    perspective changes from one of postponed application of
    knowledge to immediacy of application, and accordingly
    his orientation toward learning shifts from one of subject-
    centeredness to one of problem centeredness.

•   Motivation to learn: As a person matures the motivation to
    learn is internal

                                                              2-36
Four Supporting Assumptions according to
            Dirkx, Lavin, and Pelavin (1995)

• Diverse, active learners: wealth of experiences
• Problem-oriented: pragmatic learners, seeking to improve
  their performance
• Control of their own learning: voluntary learners who take
  seriously their decision to return to school.
• Strong sense of self: varying degrees of self-efficacy, but
  sense of self plays a major role in their learning

                                                            2-37
A comparison of the assumptions of Pedagogy and
                   Andragogy
  ANDRAGOGY                             PEDAGOGY
• A    comparison        of     the   • A   comparison     of   the
  assumptions of pedagogy              assumptions of pedagogy

  and andragogy                        and andragogy

• Of   little   worth.        Hence   • A   rich    resource    for
                                       learning.   Hence   teaching
  teaching      methods         are
                                       methods include discussion,
  didactic
                                       problem-solving etc.

                                                                2-38
Cont.,…

    ANDRAGOGY                                        PEDAGOGY


• People       learn   what   society   • People learn what they need to
   expects them to. So that the           know,      so       that   learning
   curriculum is standardized.            programmes organized around
• Acquisition of subject matter.          life application.
   Curriculum organized by              • Learning experiences should
   subjects.                              be          based           around
                                          experiences, since people are
                                          performance centered in their
                                          learning
                                                                         2-39
Kolb’s Learning Cycle

– David Kolb, Professor of Organizational
  Behaviour, Weathered School of Management,
  Cleveland




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EXPERIENCING
Immersing yourself
   in the task




                     2-41
REFLECTION
                     What did you
                       notice?




 EXPERIENCING
Immersing yourself
   in the task




                                    2-42
CONCEPTUAL-
  ISATION
  What does
   it mean?



                     REFLECTION
                     What did you
                       notice?




 EXPERIENCING
Immersing yourself
   in the task




                                    2-43
CONCEPTUAL-
                 ISATION
                 What does
                  it mean?



                                    REFLECTION
 PLANNING                           What did you
  What will                           notice?
you do next?



                EXPERIENCING
               Immersing yourself
                  in the task




                                                   2-44
CONCEPTUAL-
                 ISATION
                 What does
                  it mean?



                                    REFLECTION
 PLANNING                           What did you
  What will                           notice?
you do next?



                EXPERIENCING
               Immersing yourself
                  in the task
                   Activist




                                                   2-45
CONCEPTUAL-
                 ISATION
                 What does
                  it mean?


                                    REFLECTION
 PLANNING                           What did you
  What will                           notice?
you do next?                         Reflector



                EXPERIENCING
               Immersing yourself
                  in the task
                   Activist




                                                   2-46
CONCEPTUAL-
                   ISATION
               What does it mean?
                   Theorist


                                    REFLECTION
 PLANNING                           What did you
  What will                           notice?
you do next?                         Reflector



                EXPERIENCING
               Immersing yourself
                  in the task
                   Activist




                                                   2-47
CONCEPTUAL-
                   ISATION
               What does it mean?
                   Theorist


                                    REFLECTION
 PLANNING                           What did you
  What will                           notice?
you do next?                         Reflector
 Pragmatist


                EXPERIENCING
               Immersing yourself
                  in the task
                   Activist




                                                   2-48
CONCEPTUAL-
                          ISATION
                      What does it mean?
                          Theorist


                                           REFLECTION
        PLANNING                           What did you
         What will                           notice?
       you do next?                         Reflector
        Pragmatist


                       EXPERIENCING
                      Immersing yourself
                         in the task
                          Activist



Dave Watts 2003
                                                          2-49
Concrete
                  Experience



    Active                         Reflective
Experimentation                   Observation



                 Abstract
              Conceptualization
                                                2-50
Concrete Experience
•   Laboratories        •   Films/Videos
•   Observations        •   Readings
•   Text Readings       •   Problem Sets
•   Simulations/Games   •   Examples
•   Field Work




                                           2-51
Reflective Observation
•   Logs             •   Thought Questions
•   Journals         •   Rhetorical Questions
•   Discussion       •   E-Mail List Serves
•   Brainstorming    •   On Line Discussion
                         Forums




                                                2-52
Divergers Ask:

        “What is it?”




                        2-53
Abstract Conceptualization
• Lecture          • Projects
• Papers           • Analogies
• Model Building




                                  2-54
Assimilators ask:

            “What does it
              mean?”




                            2-55
Active Experimentation
• Simulations      • Field work
• Case Studies     • Projects
• Laboratories     • Homework




                                  2-56
Convergers ask:
           “What can I
             do?”




                         2-57
Accommodators ask:
         "How can I do
             it?”




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Androgogy final ppt @ bec doms bagalkot mba

  • 1. ANDRAGOGY & PEDAGOGY Presented By Babasab patil 2-1
  • 2. Learning as a Process Learning is defined as the process of acquiring , assimilating, and internalizing cognitive, motor or behavioral inputs for their effective|and varied use when required, leading to an enhanced capability for further self monitored learning. 2-2
  • 3. Learning process • Acquiring of new input terms of knowledge • Assimilation • Internalization • Available for effective use • Development of creativity • Increase person’s capability 2-3
  • 4. Stimulus Response Theories • Classical Conditioning • Instrumental conditioning • Operant Conditioning 2-4
  • 5. Behaviorism  Classical Conditioning - Pavlov A stimulus is presented in order to get a response: S R 2-5
  • 6. Behaviorism  Classical Conditioning - Pavlov S US UR CS US CR 2-6
  • 7. Behaviorism  Operant Conditioning - Skinner The response is made first, then reinforcement follows. 2-7
  • 8. Pedagogy 2-8
  • 9. Meaning • Pedagogue is defined as “a schoolteacher. One who instructs in a pedantic or dogmatic manner”. In the pedagogic model, teachers assume responsibility for making decisions about what is learned, and how and when something will be learned. 2-9
  • 10. Constructivist Theory • Formalization of the theory of constructivism is generally attributed to Jean Piaget, who articulated mechanisms by which knowledge is internalized by learners. • He suggested that through processes of accommodation and assimilation, individuals construct new knowledge from their experiences. • Constructivism is often associated with pedagogic approaches that promote active learning, or learning by doing. 2-10
  • 11. Pedagogies based on constructivism • Learners learn by experimentation, and not by being told what will happen. • They are left to make their own inferences, discoveries and conclusions. • It also emphasizes that learning is not an "all or nothing" process but that students learn the new information that is presented to them by building upon knowledge that they already possess. • It is therefore important that teachers constantly assess the knowledge their students have gained to make sure that the students' perceptions of the new knowledge are what the teacher had intended. 2-11
  • 12. Pedagogies based on constructivism • The teacher's role is not only to observe and assess but to also engage with the students while they are completing activities, wondering aloud and posing questions to the students for promotion of reasoning. • The teacher, after reading a story, encourages the students to write or draw stories of their own, or by having the students reenact a story that they may know well, both activities encourage the students to conceive themselves as reader and writers. 2-12
  • 13. Cognitive Theory • Grew in response to Behaviorism • Knowledge is stored cognitively as symbols • Learning is the process of connecting symbols in a meaningful & memorable way • Studies focused on the mental processes that facilitate symbol connection 2-13
  • 14. Cognitive Learning Theory  Discovery Learning – Jerome Bruner  Meaningful Verbal Learning - David Ausubel 2-14
  • 15. Cognitive Learning Theory  Discovery Learning 1. Bruner said anybody can learn anything at any age, provided it is stated in terms they can understand. 2-15
  • 16. Cognitive Learning Theory  Discovery Learning 2. Powerful Concepts (not isolated facts) a. Transfer to many different situations b. Only possible through Discovery Learning c. Confront the learner with problems and help them find solutions. Do not present sequenced materials. 2-16
  • 17. Cognitive Learning Theory  Meaningful Verbal Learning Advance Organizers: New material is presented in a systematic way, and is connected to existing cognitive structures in a meaningful way. 2-17
  • 18. Cognitivism in the Classroom • Inquiry-oriented projects • Opportunities for the testing of hypotheses • Curiosity encouraged 2-18
  • 19. Cognitive Dissonance Theory • Comes from social psychology • One of the most famous and influential theories • Proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance • By changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or • By justifying or rationalizing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors 2-19
  • 20. Cognitive Dissonance • Cognitive Dissonance: The distressing mental state caused by inconsistency between a two beliefs or a belief and an action. • Assumption: Humans are consistent. Must find a resolution when beliefs conflict, or actions don’t match beliefs. • Example: Slavery and Democracy 2-20
  • 21. Reducing Dissonance • Whenever there is dissonance, we seek to reduce it. 1. Selective Exposure: The tendency to avoid information that creates cognitive dissonance and seek out information, people who support our beliefs. • How to overcome persuasively? – Avoid the hard sell – Warm personal relationships – Example: racial discrimination and my brother 2-21
  • 22. Postdecision Dissonance Strong doubts experienced after making an important, close-call decision that is difficult to reverse. – “buyers remorse” • Motivates us to seek reassurance, support for our decision. • Afterwards, tend to rate our choice higher – Example: Sour Grapes 2-22
  • 23. 3. Minimal Justification for Action Induces Shift in Attitude • The best way to change attitudes is to get someone to behave in a way dissonant with their beliefs with the least amount of incentive. – If there isn’t significant external incentive, people tend to change attitudes to justify their behavior – If external incentive too high, merely achieve compliance (behavioral conformity without attitude change) • Example: Would I lie for a dollar? 2-23
  • 25. Andragogy Rewriting and experience repeating Reflection & Applying sharing Generalizing Interpretin Exp g 2-25
  • 26. 2-26
  • 27. Androgogy By definition of an adult is someone who has achieved the self concept of being responsible for their own life. Adult Learning: Theories, Assumptions, and Perspectives “The art and science of helping adults learn” 2-27
  • 28. Cont…., • ANDRAGOGY • Adults are Autonomous and Self -Directed. • Adults Have Accumulated a Foundation of Life Experiences and Knowledge. • Adults are Relevancy-oriented • Adults are Goal-oriented • Adults are practical Implication for Training 2-28
  • 29. Cont…., • Adults are likely to resist learning conditions that conflict with their self concept. • Adults need to be free to direct themselves. • Trainer must actively involve adult participants in the learning process and serve as facilitators for them. 2-29
  • 30. History of Adult Learning Theory: From “Whatagogy?” to Andragogy • The Meaning of Adult Education by Eduard Lindeman in 1926 marked the beginning of adult education as a field • Adult educators began to look for a unique adult education knowledge base • European adult educators began to use the term andragogy in the 1950s • Andragogy finally surfaced and became part of the educational language in 1967 with Malcolm Knowles, a prominent scholar in the field of adult education. 2-30
  • 31. Andragogy Defined • The term andragogy is based on the Greek work aner (with the stem andr-) meaning „man not boy‟ (Plato‟s idea that adults continue to learn • The Modern Practice of Adult Education: Andragogy versus Pedagogy (1970) Malcolm Knowles • Knowles defines andragogy as the art and science of helping adults learn in contrast with pedagogy, which concerns helping children learn • Is Andragogy a learning theory or a set of assumptions? 2-31
  • 32. Assumptions of Andragogy • Adults need to know why they need to learn something • Adults need to learn experientially • Adults approach learning as a problem solving • Adults learn best when the topic is immediate value 2-32
  • 33. The principles of andragogy • Adults need to be involved in the planning & evaluation of their instructions • Experience provides the basis for learning activities • Adults are most interested in learning subjects that have immediate relevance to their job or personal life • Adult learning is a problem centered rather than content oriented 2-33
  • 34. Malcolm Knowles • In the minds of many around the adult education field, andragogy and the name of Malcolm Knowles have become inextricably linked. For Knowles, andragogy is premised on at least four crucial assumptions about the characteristics of adult learners that are different from the assumptions about child learners on which traditional pedagogy is premised. A fifth was added later. 2-34
  • 35. Cont…… • Self-concept: As a person matures his self concept moves from one of being a dependent personality toward one of being a self-directed human being • Experience: As a person matures he accumulates a growing reservoir of experience that becomes an increasing resource for learning. • Readiness to learn. As a person matures his readiness to learn becomes oriented increasingly to the developmental tasks of his social roles. 2-35
  • 36. Cont…… • Orientation to learning. As a person matures his time perspective changes from one of postponed application of knowledge to immediacy of application, and accordingly his orientation toward learning shifts from one of subject- centeredness to one of problem centeredness. • Motivation to learn: As a person matures the motivation to learn is internal 2-36
  • 37. Four Supporting Assumptions according to Dirkx, Lavin, and Pelavin (1995) • Diverse, active learners: wealth of experiences • Problem-oriented: pragmatic learners, seeking to improve their performance • Control of their own learning: voluntary learners who take seriously their decision to return to school. • Strong sense of self: varying degrees of self-efficacy, but sense of self plays a major role in their learning 2-37
  • 38. A comparison of the assumptions of Pedagogy and Andragogy ANDRAGOGY PEDAGOGY • A comparison of the • A comparison of the assumptions of pedagogy assumptions of pedagogy and andragogy and andragogy • Of little worth. Hence • A rich resource for learning. Hence teaching teaching methods are methods include discussion, didactic problem-solving etc. 2-38
  • 39. Cont.,… ANDRAGOGY PEDAGOGY • People learn what society • People learn what they need to expects them to. So that the know, so that learning curriculum is standardized. programmes organized around • Acquisition of subject matter. life application. Curriculum organized by • Learning experiences should subjects. be based around experiences, since people are performance centered in their learning 2-39
  • 40. Kolb’s Learning Cycle – David Kolb, Professor of Organizational Behaviour, Weathered School of Management, Cleveland 2-40
  • 42. REFLECTION What did you notice? EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task 2-42
  • 43. CONCEPTUAL- ISATION What does it mean? REFLECTION What did you notice? EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task 2-43
  • 44. CONCEPTUAL- ISATION What does it mean? REFLECTION PLANNING What did you What will notice? you do next? EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task 2-44
  • 45. CONCEPTUAL- ISATION What does it mean? REFLECTION PLANNING What did you What will notice? you do next? EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task Activist 2-45
  • 46. CONCEPTUAL- ISATION What does it mean? REFLECTION PLANNING What did you What will notice? you do next? Reflector EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task Activist 2-46
  • 47. CONCEPTUAL- ISATION What does it mean? Theorist REFLECTION PLANNING What did you What will notice? you do next? Reflector EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task Activist 2-47
  • 48. CONCEPTUAL- ISATION What does it mean? Theorist REFLECTION PLANNING What did you What will notice? you do next? Reflector Pragmatist EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task Activist 2-48
  • 49. CONCEPTUAL- ISATION What does it mean? Theorist REFLECTION PLANNING What did you What will notice? you do next? Reflector Pragmatist EXPERIENCING Immersing yourself in the task Activist Dave Watts 2003 2-49
  • 50. Concrete Experience Active Reflective Experimentation Observation Abstract Conceptualization 2-50
  • 51. Concrete Experience • Laboratories • Films/Videos • Observations • Readings • Text Readings • Problem Sets • Simulations/Games • Examples • Field Work 2-51
  • 52. Reflective Observation • Logs • Thought Questions • Journals • Rhetorical Questions • Discussion • E-Mail List Serves • Brainstorming • On Line Discussion Forums 2-52
  • 53. Divergers Ask: “What is it?” 2-53
  • 54. Abstract Conceptualization • Lecture • Projects • Papers • Analogies • Model Building 2-54
  • 55. Assimilators ask: “What does it mean?” 2-55
  • 56. Active Experimentation • Simulations • Field work • Case Studies • Projects • Laboratories • Homework 2-56
  • 57. Convergers ask: “What can I do?” 2-57
  • 58. Accommodators ask: "How can I do it?” 2-58
  • 59. 2-59

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