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The “ Best” Seed Sources for Christmas Trees Chal Landgren OSU Extension A quick review of  heritability A practical look at selecting the best of what’s available. Remember, there is no “Perfect Source”- it always depends on availability, your definition of perfection and so on …. Review research and collections in Turkey
Historical Trends
Heritability- (or if you cant pass it on– don ’ t worry about it) Phenotype (what we see) Genotype (what we can ’ t see) Environment = + P = G E +
Genetics controls about a quarter of the variation we have to deal with ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Getting What You Expect
Another Strategy ,[object Object]
Genetics- is only part of a successful operation ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Noble fir-What’s  Available? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
 
RF
Key Results-NF1996 ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],R 10 D7 51-17-6
Review of some Results
NF 2000 ,[object Object],[object Object]
NF 2000-Value by source-Ave
 
 
New Area- Old trees ,[object Object],[object Object]
Site variation for noble fir-   NF 2000 ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Noble fir Plots       Ht." Value Site Ave Ave A 92 $25 B 77 $18 C 81 $14
NF 2001 ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Noble Fir Trials-NF 2002 ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Noble Fir Trials-NF 2004 ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
[object Object]
 
Some General Lessons for Noble  ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Nordmann fir-What’s  Available? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
 
 
 
Grand fir-What’s  Available? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Grand fir- test information ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Douglas-fir-What’s  Available? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Other DF  Options ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Val 3 Color Variation
Family # Location/Source Value  (std dev) Bud break Color V3 Val 3 X 053 $11.80 (2.8) 3.8 3.7 138 Gillies Bay  (Texada Isl.) $11.30 (2.1) 2.9 4.5 133 Cooks Bay  (Texada Isl.) $11.10 (1.9) 2.2 4.5 136 Shelter Bay (Texada Isl.) $10.90 (1.9) 2.2 4.6 137 Gillies Bay  (Texada Isl.) $10.60 (2.4) 2.2 4.8 135 Cooks Bay (Texada Isl.) $10.40 (1.8) 2.2 4.9           Range   $11.80-$6.50 1.5-4.4 3.6-4.9
Douglas-fir Progeny Test TI 139 Val 3
Other orchards and  options
 
[object Object],[object Object]
When planting an unproven source, remember the following- American Christmas Tree Journal . 1999. Vol. 43(2):4-11.  by  John Frampton  and  Craig McKinley Table 1.  Comparison of desirable traits for an idealized natural-grown low density European and a medium to high density sheared American Christmas tree . Trait Europe USA Growth Slow Fast Crown Density Low to Medium Medium to High Internodal Branches Many Many Crown Diameter Small Large Branch Angle Slightly Above Horizontal Preferences Vary
Reality Check ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Some  “ issues ”  to think about ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Finding information ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Be Clear About What You Want!
An  Armchair visit to Turkey
Why go to Turkey?
Arrangements and Participants
Bud break variation & different shearing
Growing Nordmann &  Turkish Fir ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Turkish fir-What’s  Available? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
 
 
Ankara-more than the capital
 
 
 
Every tree was a research project
Foliage difference in same area
What  we know about each tree ,[object Object],[object Object]
What  we know about each tree ,[object Object],[object Object]
It’s always time for tea and fungus
The trees are not free from problems
 
 
Safranbolu- World Heritage City
Well used forests
 
 
 
Cones from the first  sites
 
Collecting in Parks and much lower elevation
 
 
[object Object]
What’s Next ? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Istanbul sights ,[object Object]
 
 
 
 
 
Trabzon Area- Nordmann fir
 
 
Hand weeding, tea and hazelnuts
 
 
 
Stands of Nordmann
Georgia

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Best sources ts 2011

Editor's Notes

  1. Much has changed in the last 50 years. Where will we be in another 50? Changes from wild harvest on unproductive sites to plantation growing on productive sites- From Shelton to Silverton
  2. variableh2Height0.19Grade0.15Value0.15Budbreak001.00Color0.34 Grade- Composite score includes Color and branch angle, site, grower skill Ht and pest-- Low heritability
  3. Id. Some traits we like and there is reason to suspect these are heritable How can you deliver trees that consistently have those traits Clone Slide-NF rooted cutting not very reliable Family-Controlled cross- Hostelter orchard (brothers and sisters) Family-seed Slide of Stand- In the area Slide of Seed Zones- Provenance Any ole fir- can not get any better than the nursery.
  4. Genetics may not be the correct word here. Point being that TI adds value in all these areas.
  5. Hoping to give this talk- Finally had to help organize and invite myself How did we get to where we are- summarize past trials and critique- Explain Hand-Outs Items beyond genetics-Maybe more influential
  6. Dk sources tend to be slow growing,tree buyers not too interested in needle form
  7. Exmple with Hupp and MCniels
  8. Hope to have all the files on extension web site this summer
  9. Trial in 1999- 8 sources 3 TK; 5 Nord- 3 TK fir were clearly the top sources- 225 (Kokez) Trial in 2004- 21 sources 4 TK, 17 Nord, Top 6 last yr. 4 were TK- 219 (Akyazi)
  10. COLLABORATIVE FIR GERMPLASM EVAL. PORJECT 6 REGIONS- CONN, DK, MI, PNW, PA , NC REDUCED CONING, PHOTOPH RESISTANCE, 2 CLIMBERS EACH Day, 4-5 cars+ drivers+ ministry foresters
  11. - capital and home eventually of Kamal Ataturk
  12. 4 million pop. In city Ataturk is the Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson- picture is everywhere, Penal code is Italians Civil code is Swiss, Modified Latin analphabet replaced Arabic literacy rows fro 10 % to over 79% in 2 yrs.
  13. Spice and dye saffron is from here. Camel enclosure on the /silk rd- roman- ottoman walls here were 4” thick
  14. Tea served even in logging camp
  15. Looks like PNW
  16. About the only visitors to this university in Artvin Provost wanted us to sign a memorandum of exchanges with