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SUPRA-, INTER AND INTRASOCIAL MOTIONS:
  PROLEGOMENA TO THE ONTOLOGICAL
          POVERTY OF SOCIETIES




                                    Janos Toth
The general definition of poverty in social sciences

•    its problematics: poverty exists, but as a concept and not as a fact
•    can be defined as an universal economic category, but in several cases
     another definition is needed
•    with its discoursive meanings many non-economical dimensions can be
     grasped



these can be divided into
- static approaches dealing with the – subjective or objective – lack of
   something (like absolute and relative deprivation theories)
- dynamic approaches focusing on the process of impoverisment (like
   exclusion-, underclass- or new poverty-discourses)
Characteristics of the dynamic approaches

• they talk not only about lacks and deprivations inside of a society,
  but also that poor peoples falling out from society develops,
  maintains and reproduces new structures of coexistences
• here poverty appears not as series of lack, but as a complex of
  concrets like institutions, identities, values, norms and lifestyle
  strategies decisive to that specific culture




• the creative and dynamic aspects of poverty cannot be bypassed
  by researches and theorizations with real scientific ambitions
Excourse: Theoretical framework of the presentation

• the conceptual framework of „society” is not wide enough to
  refer legitimely to all the types of human coexistences
• hence it would be more accurate to think universally not in
  terms of society or societies, but in terms of human symbioses
• the quality of being of these symbioses can be different
• differences in quality of being are showed by the organizing
  principle of a given symbiosis
Excourse: Theoretical framework of the
presentation
• two basic types of organizing principles: transcendent and
  godless
• two subcategories within the last one: the modern (material),
  and the global (power-centered) organizing principle
• symbioses organized by a power-centered principle differs
  from modern ones to a great extent: in modernity,
  omnipotency –which was conceptually severed from God- was
  assigned to matter, while in global modes of human
  coexistences, this omnipotency was not assigned to anything,
  but became the reference in itself
Excourse: Theoretical framework of the presentation


• that special type of human coexistencs which we know as
  „society” was originaly formed by the material variant of the
  godless organizing principle
• modern society per definitionem embeds only peoples, and the
  relation of peoples with each other (Rochefort 1685, Furetière
  1690 → Baker 1994, Mintzker 2008)
• transcendent organizing principles always embeds, beside
  peoples, God and/or different transcendent entities like ghosts,
  spirits, angels and demons, and also nature, which was
  concieved as god-given
Excourse: Theoretical framework of the presentation


• To sum up the totality of these social and non-social modes of
  coexistences, their relations and their positions compared to
  each other, we can talk about the suprasocial- or ontostructure
  of human symbioses

• Societies can be placed not only in a structure which includes
  other modes of coexistences, but according to the relations of
  one society to another, in a structure that would be adequate to
  call multisocial

• Every society has his own build, his own structure that is
  peculiar only to itself, which can be called the monosocial
  structure of that given society
Back to the question of poverty...

• how can poverty be conceptualized as a complex of deficits
  and surpluses at the same time?
• how are these deficits and surpluses connected to different
  kind of motions?



• these questions should be investigated equally within the
  monosocial, multisocial and ontosocial dimensions
I. Poverty within the limits of a given society

• as a static state, meaning taking up different economical,
  political, social or cultural positions within the monosocial
  structure
• the „wealthy” or „poor” status of these positions are showed
  by the –absolute or relative- quantity of those resources
  posessed being relevant from the viewpoint of the analyzed
  field
I. Poverty within the limits of a given society
• as a dynamic change: a kind of intrasocial motion, where a
  state of an entity can be described with lower and lower
  positions by the time passing, meaning posessing the relevant
  resources in a decreasing quantity or ratio




• limits: cannot provide a solution to the question that exactly
  where will arrive a given entity which is moving downwards
  from the very bottom statuses of the monosocial structure
II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies


1. moving between societies

•   motions leading out from a society heads toward another society
•   societies are part of a network of power relations
•   the availability of scarce resources needed for their reproduction,
    development, as well as for the actuation of personal carriers are dependent
    from the strenght or weakness of their actual positions within this network




•   whole societies can be poor compared to another society in a dominant
    position
II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies
•   impoverisment is a kind of intersocial motion: it leads from one society to
    (or towards) another which is poorer in resources than the previous
II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies


2. Connections between motions and the production/consumption of
   goods

•   resources and goods that are necessary for the motion of a given entity are
    not „neutral”, but can be rather different from the viewpoint of the
    existence of both the societies and peoples
•   the effects of their production and consumption develops in several
    dimensions, and can have either a positive or a detrimental impact on
    different entities (Joseph E. Stiglitz → social costs of production &
    consumption)
II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies

•   Conclusion: the hermeneutic potential of the conceptual framework of a
    multisocial approach affects a significantly larger domain than a
    monosocial approach becasue it is capable to describe poverty not only as
    an intrasocial state or motion, but also as processes of impoverisment
    where the subject of these are either societies themselves, or individuals
    falling out from one society into another

•   Limits: not fitted to examine poor statuses and processes of impoverisment
    within non-social types of human symbioses
III. Poverty in the ontosocial structure of human
symbioses –christianity, modernity and globality
The analysis can be divided into two parts, namely

   • what kind of surpluses comes together with deficits causing
     an individual to fall out from a community organized by
     transcendent principles?
   • what modes of human symbioses are developed by these
     falled out individuals after reaching a critical mass?
Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty),
      ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor)
1. Poor in the material sense of the word

   •   Involuntary poverty; here ptokos signify a person who, independently
       from his or her intentions, do not have access, or have very limited
       access to goods needed for satisfying basic biological needs

   •   Voluntary poverty, here ptokos signify the person who, from his or
       her own free will, limits his consumption to what is biologically
       necessary or does not significantly exceed that level
Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty),
     ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor)


2. Spiritual poverty

   • lack of spiritual goods and virtues
   • having „inferior”, „miserable”, „godless” things, thoughts
     and lifestyle strategies
   • Describes a human state or condition which is typical to
     sinners, errants and heretics
3. Poorness in spirit

• being poor in spirit differs from spiritual poverty in the extent
  of referring neither to the lack of something divine nor to
  having godless things and deeds, but it rather signifies the
  existence of a divine virtue, namely, humility in people
Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty),
ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor)
4. The poverty of Christ

• The base for reference for the poverty of Christ is kenosis, the
  self-emptying process of God where in Christ He became man
  for man’s salvation. The meaning of Christ’s poverty in
  christian tradition is that God became man so that man might
  become God
Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty),
ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor)



• „Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not
  count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied
  himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the
  likeness of men.” (Phil. 2:6-7)
• „though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that
  you by his poverty might become rich.” (2Kor 8:9)
• What can be seen from these dimensions concerning
  poverty?
• Why is this important for us from a scientific
  perspective?
What can be seen from these dimensions concerning
                      poverty?

• The hermeneutic potential of christian poverty is significantly
  larger than that of the multisocial approach

It is capable to
     • describe - besides negative tendencies- communicative
       motions which aims to the spiritual reintegration of the
       man and the community with God
     • show how an excommunicative motion, as spiritual
       impoverisment and leading the individual out from a
       christian community is connected both to the lack of
       virtues and to the dominance of godless thoughts and
       lifestyle strategies
Why is this important for us from a scientific
                     perspective?


• brings on the possibility that in social theory, modern societies
  may be conceptualized within the ontosocial structure as the
  unfolding of this spiritual impoverisment, and global societies
  as its further deepening
• it can be also relevant from the viewpoint of poverty
  researches that processes which can be valorized as
  „progress”, „wealth” or „enrichment” within a mono- or
  multisocial approach can also be ontosocially the signs of
  spiritual poverty, decline and impoverisment
Thank you for your attention

         read the full article at


http://jatoth.web.elte.hu/Prole

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Prolegomena to the ontological poverty of societies

  • 1. SUPRA-, INTER AND INTRASOCIAL MOTIONS: PROLEGOMENA TO THE ONTOLOGICAL POVERTY OF SOCIETIES Janos Toth
  • 2. The general definition of poverty in social sciences • its problematics: poverty exists, but as a concept and not as a fact • can be defined as an universal economic category, but in several cases another definition is needed • with its discoursive meanings many non-economical dimensions can be grasped these can be divided into - static approaches dealing with the – subjective or objective – lack of something (like absolute and relative deprivation theories) - dynamic approaches focusing on the process of impoverisment (like exclusion-, underclass- or new poverty-discourses)
  • 3. Characteristics of the dynamic approaches • they talk not only about lacks and deprivations inside of a society, but also that poor peoples falling out from society develops, maintains and reproduces new structures of coexistences • here poverty appears not as series of lack, but as a complex of concrets like institutions, identities, values, norms and lifestyle strategies decisive to that specific culture • the creative and dynamic aspects of poverty cannot be bypassed by researches and theorizations with real scientific ambitions
  • 4. Excourse: Theoretical framework of the presentation • the conceptual framework of „society” is not wide enough to refer legitimely to all the types of human coexistences • hence it would be more accurate to think universally not in terms of society or societies, but in terms of human symbioses • the quality of being of these symbioses can be different • differences in quality of being are showed by the organizing principle of a given symbiosis
  • 5. Excourse: Theoretical framework of the presentation • two basic types of organizing principles: transcendent and godless • two subcategories within the last one: the modern (material), and the global (power-centered) organizing principle • symbioses organized by a power-centered principle differs from modern ones to a great extent: in modernity, omnipotency –which was conceptually severed from God- was assigned to matter, while in global modes of human coexistences, this omnipotency was not assigned to anything, but became the reference in itself
  • 6. Excourse: Theoretical framework of the presentation • that special type of human coexistencs which we know as „society” was originaly formed by the material variant of the godless organizing principle • modern society per definitionem embeds only peoples, and the relation of peoples with each other (Rochefort 1685, Furetière 1690 → Baker 1994, Mintzker 2008) • transcendent organizing principles always embeds, beside peoples, God and/or different transcendent entities like ghosts, spirits, angels and demons, and also nature, which was concieved as god-given
  • 7. Excourse: Theoretical framework of the presentation • To sum up the totality of these social and non-social modes of coexistences, their relations and their positions compared to each other, we can talk about the suprasocial- or ontostructure of human symbioses • Societies can be placed not only in a structure which includes other modes of coexistences, but according to the relations of one society to another, in a structure that would be adequate to call multisocial • Every society has his own build, his own structure that is peculiar only to itself, which can be called the monosocial structure of that given society
  • 8. Back to the question of poverty... • how can poverty be conceptualized as a complex of deficits and surpluses at the same time? • how are these deficits and surpluses connected to different kind of motions? • these questions should be investigated equally within the monosocial, multisocial and ontosocial dimensions
  • 9. I. Poverty within the limits of a given society • as a static state, meaning taking up different economical, political, social or cultural positions within the monosocial structure • the „wealthy” or „poor” status of these positions are showed by the –absolute or relative- quantity of those resources posessed being relevant from the viewpoint of the analyzed field
  • 10. I. Poverty within the limits of a given society • as a dynamic change: a kind of intrasocial motion, where a state of an entity can be described with lower and lower positions by the time passing, meaning posessing the relevant resources in a decreasing quantity or ratio • limits: cannot provide a solution to the question that exactly where will arrive a given entity which is moving downwards from the very bottom statuses of the monosocial structure
  • 11. II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies 1. moving between societies • motions leading out from a society heads toward another society • societies are part of a network of power relations • the availability of scarce resources needed for their reproduction, development, as well as for the actuation of personal carriers are dependent from the strenght or weakness of their actual positions within this network • whole societies can be poor compared to another society in a dominant position
  • 12. II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies • impoverisment is a kind of intersocial motion: it leads from one society to (or towards) another which is poorer in resources than the previous
  • 13. II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies 2. Connections between motions and the production/consumption of goods • resources and goods that are necessary for the motion of a given entity are not „neutral”, but can be rather different from the viewpoint of the existence of both the societies and peoples • the effects of their production and consumption develops in several dimensions, and can have either a positive or a detrimental impact on different entities (Joseph E. Stiglitz → social costs of production & consumption)
  • 14. II. Poverty within the aggregate of societies • Conclusion: the hermeneutic potential of the conceptual framework of a multisocial approach affects a significantly larger domain than a monosocial approach becasue it is capable to describe poverty not only as an intrasocial state or motion, but also as processes of impoverisment where the subject of these are either societies themselves, or individuals falling out from one society into another • Limits: not fitted to examine poor statuses and processes of impoverisment within non-social types of human symbioses
  • 15. III. Poverty in the ontosocial structure of human symbioses –christianity, modernity and globality The analysis can be divided into two parts, namely • what kind of surpluses comes together with deficits causing an individual to fall out from a community organized by transcendent principles? • what modes of human symbioses are developed by these falled out individuals after reaching a critical mass?
  • 16. Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty), ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor) 1. Poor in the material sense of the word • Involuntary poverty; here ptokos signify a person who, independently from his or her intentions, do not have access, or have very limited access to goods needed for satisfying basic biological needs • Voluntary poverty, here ptokos signify the person who, from his or her own free will, limits his consumption to what is biologically necessary or does not significantly exceed that level
  • 17. Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty), ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor) 2. Spiritual poverty • lack of spiritual goods and virtues • having „inferior”, „miserable”, „godless” things, thoughts and lifestyle strategies • Describes a human state or condition which is typical to sinners, errants and heretics
  • 18. 3. Poorness in spirit • being poor in spirit differs from spiritual poverty in the extent of referring neither to the lack of something divine nor to having godless things and deeds, but it rather signifies the existence of a divine virtue, namely, humility in people
  • 19. Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty), ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor) 4. The poverty of Christ • The base for reference for the poverty of Christ is kenosis, the self-emptying process of God where in Christ He became man for man’s salvation. The meaning of Christ’s poverty in christian tradition is that God became man so that man might become God
  • 20. Dimensions of christian poverty –ptokeia (poverty), ptokeuo (impoverishment), ptokos (poor) • „Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.” (Phil. 2:6-7) • „though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.” (2Kor 8:9)
  • 21. • What can be seen from these dimensions concerning poverty? • Why is this important for us from a scientific perspective?
  • 22. What can be seen from these dimensions concerning poverty? • The hermeneutic potential of christian poverty is significantly larger than that of the multisocial approach It is capable to • describe - besides negative tendencies- communicative motions which aims to the spiritual reintegration of the man and the community with God • show how an excommunicative motion, as spiritual impoverisment and leading the individual out from a christian community is connected both to the lack of virtues and to the dominance of godless thoughts and lifestyle strategies
  • 23. Why is this important for us from a scientific perspective? • brings on the possibility that in social theory, modern societies may be conceptualized within the ontosocial structure as the unfolding of this spiritual impoverisment, and global societies as its further deepening • it can be also relevant from the viewpoint of poverty researches that processes which can be valorized as „progress”, „wealth” or „enrichment” within a mono- or multisocial approach can also be ontosocially the signs of spiritual poverty, decline and impoverisment
  • 24. Thank you for your attention read the full article at http://jatoth.web.elte.hu/Prole