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                              0 Ankit sachdeva
                             0 Chetan chauhan
                            0 Kanika goswami
                                  0 Neha dhoot
                               0 Raghav kumra
                            0 Taqweem ahmed
                                 0 Manan shah


2/25/2012                                  2
Introduction
   “We are very concerned about the negative impact of
    (China’s) policies on our economic interests”
      - US Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner.




2/25/2012                  Ankit Sachdeva                3
…..
  0 The tough talk comes amid concerns that the global currency
    order is unraveling, with countries breaking ranks in a `beggar-
    my-neighbour’ use of 1930s-style devaluation to help exporters
    and shore up their economies.
  0 U.S.-China economic ties have expanded substantially over the
    past three decades.
  0 China is currently the second-largest U.S. trading partner, its
    third-largest export market, and its biggest source of imports.
  0 U.S. imports from China have risen much more rapidly than U.S.
    exports to China, the U.S. merchandise trade deficit has surged,
    rising from $10 billion in 1990 to an estimated $273 billion in
    2010.


2/25/2012                    Ankit Sachdeva                            4
..…
  0 While most of China’s major economic competitors around the
      world have seen their currencies climb against the dollar the
      Chinese Yuan has been virtually unchanged.
  0   It’s a primary reason China has been able to achieve such a rapid
      rise in global economic power.
  0   Prior to the financial crisis, the U.S. was on its own to convince
      China to adopt a more “flexible currency regime”.
  0   The results were modestly successful — only after the U.S.
      Congress threatened to impose a tariff on Chinese imports! China
      allowed its currency to appreciate by 17 percent against the
      dollar between 2005 and 2008.
  0   But since the financial crisis, China has returned to a peg against
      the greenback.
2/15/2012                       Ankit Saxhdeva                              5
Background
  0 The international monetary system came into
    existence since the 19th century.
  0 After 1870 many countries adopted gold
    convertibility.
  0 Under the gold standard each currency was defined in
    terms of its gold value.
  0 One dollar was defined to be equal to the value of
    23.22 grains of pure gold or 20.67 US Dollars per
    ounce.
  0 The gold standard broke down during World War 1
    but was brought back in 1925.

2/25/2012               Chetan Chauhan                     6
…..
  0 In 1931 due to massive gold and capital outflows,
    Britain departed from the gold standard.
  0 In January 1934 the US President Franklin
    Roosevelt increased the price of gold from US$20.67
    to US$35.00 per ounce.
  0 In July 1944 delegates from 44 nations came
    together at the Nations Monetary and Financial
    Conference at Bretton Woods to discuss post war
    recovery.

2/25/2012               Chetan Chauhan                    7
…..
  0 The conference led to the creation of two
    international organizations- the IMF and the
    International Bank for Reconstruction and
    Development(now World Bank).
  0 Bretton Woods system –exchange rate as agreed by
    member countries.
  0 The Bretton Woods system ended on August 1971.
  0 In the 1970s the Bretton Woods system was replaced
    by floating exchange rates which even continued as of
    2007.

2/25/2012                Chetan Chauhan                     8
CURRENCY IN CHINA
  0 Establishment of People’s Bank Of China (PBC) and
    Issue of Renminbi (people’s currency).
  0 The foreign exchange rate of the Yuan was fixed taking
    into account price comparisons of China’s imports and
    exports.
  0 Fluctuations in Yuan-Dollar Exchange Rate and Dual
    Track Currency System in China.
  0 China becomes member of WTO.



2/25/2012                Kanika Goswami                      9
…..
  0 US’s dissatisfaction and concerns for Chinese
    manufacturers’ subsidies and the undervalued Yuan.
  0 Zhou’s statement in defense of China’s currency
    policy.
  0 “A stable Yuan is in the interests of China and the
    world.”
  0 US Senators propose legislation imposing 27.5 %
    tariff on all Chinese Imports.




2/25/2012                Kanika Goswami                   10
CHINA SOFTENS ITS STAND
  0 On 21st July 2005 china introduced the new exchange rate
    known as “CRAWLING PEG”.
  0 Yuan was referenced not just to USD but to a basket of
    currencies.
  0 The Chinese central bank announced that the closing price
    of the market each working day would become the central
    parity rate for the following day.
  0 The fluctuations allowed by PBC:
    USD/CHINA – 0.3% above or below the CPR
    CNY/MYR & CNY/RUB – 5% above or below CPR
    Other currencies 3% above or below CPR.


2/25/2012                 Kanika Goswami                        11
CENTRAL PARITY RATE:
                         CPR(Thursday)        CPR(Wednesday)
  USD/CNY                6.2947               6.2939
  HKD/CNY                0.81174              0.81154
  JPY/CNY(Per 100 Yen)   8.1164               8.0945
  EUR/CNY                8.2848               8.3161
  GBP/CNY                9.8994               9.9226
  AUD/CNY                6.7451               6.7291
  CAD/CNY                6.2887               6.2895
  CNY/MYR                0.48086              0.48097
  CNY/RUB                4.7587               4.7710

                                                  * Data as on 22th Feb, 2012
2/25/2012                    Kanika Goswami                                     12
…..
  0 Chinese decision to peg currencies with the basket of
    countries welcomed by Jim McCormick ,Global head of
    Lehman Brothers.
  0 The decision indicated that the Chinese were moving
    towards a flexible exchange rate system.
  0 The decision was welcomed by various economists
    and even IMF was satisfied with this decision however
    Morris Goldstein, a scholar from Institute of
    International Economics were of a different view
    which made the revaluation of YUAN a bit skeptical.
2/25/2012                Kanika Goswami                     13
YUAN’S REVALUATION
  0 Chinese Government hinted for change in reforms
    over time.
  0 21st July : New exchange rate was announced
  0 China adopted a managed float system with many
    government controls still in place.
  0 Yuan strengthened to 8.11 from 8.28 to a dollar.
  0 27th July : Central bank announced no further changes
    in the value of Yuan.


2/25/2012                 Neha Dhoot                        14
…..
  0 These conflicting announcements left a more
    confused view of China’s policies.
  0 On one hand it seemed to move towards liberalization
    of the exchange rate system.
  0 On the other, China still looked inclined towards
    managing the currency tightly.
  0 Change in policy had very less effect on Yuan-US
    dollar.
  0 Yuan showed little appreciation against USD even
    when most other currencies in the basket appreciated.

2/25/2012                Neha Dhoot                         15
…..
0 In 2006, China became the 2nd largest trading partner of US,
  with trade valuation at US$ 281 billion.
0 The US trade deficit with China went up to US$ 232.5
  billion.
0 On the other hand, China’s foreign exchange reserves
  crossed US$ 987 billion.
0 China was increasing its reserves to keep the Yuan weak by
  absorbing excess dollars in the market and issuing the Yuan
  instead.


2/25/2012                 Neha Dhoot                       16
2/25/2012   Neha Dhoot   17
Flipside of the coin
0 A trade surplus does not constitute any proof of the currency being
  undervalued:
    China-sans-Hong Kong shows trade surplus but China-plus-Hong
     Kong does not run big trade surpluses
0 Fear of a fall in foreign investments and a slowdown in the domestic
  economy:
    Stronger Yuan could lead to a fall in China’s agricultural exports ,
     resulting in low incomes for the Chinese farmers
0 Apprehensive about the transition to a floating exchange rate system:
    Chinese banks burdened with sizeable non performing assets would
     not be able to deal with speculative pressures arising from the
     floating exchange rates.


2/25/2012                       Raghav Kumra                            18
0 ¥ Has appreciated with
                                      respect to $.
                                  0   Decrease in foreign
                                      investment
                                  0   Slowdown in Chinese exports
   ¥                              0   Adversely affect the growth
                                  0   Increase in import of food
                                      articles
                                  0   Decrease in price of domestic
                                      food products
                                  0   Decrease in agricultural
                                      export
                                  0   Lowering the income of
                                      farmers




            Quantity of $
2/25/2012                   Raghav Kumra                              19
…..
0 Growing trade deficit was not due to an undervalued Yuan.
0 Infact, Low savings rate in US contributed largely to the
  trade deficit. (refer table)
0 The undervalued Yuan forced Chinese banks to invest
  the dollar earnings in US treasury securities, which
  helped to keep the interests rates in the US low:
   Today China tops the list of Major Foreign Holders of Treasury
    Securities with around US$ 1100.7 billions worth of treasury
    securities.



2/25/2012                   Raghav Kumra                        20
US and China Compared Savings,
        Investment and Consumption as a
               Percentage of GDP
                                                    China   US
Gross savings as percentage of GDP                  49.8    13.5
Household Savings Ratio                             30.0    -0.3
Private Consumption as a % of a GDP                 39.9    70.0
Gross fixed investment as a % of GDP                44.4    16.7
Gross National Savings as % of gross national        12     69
investment
Current account balance as a % of GDP                5.2    -6.5




2/25/2012                            Raghav Kumra                  21
…..
  0 The undervalued Yuan lowered the price of imports
    from China, thereby increasing the purchasing power
    of the US Consumers.
  0 Low priced imports of Chinese manufactured
    products aided the manufacturing sector of US.
  0 The difference in key interest rates between the US
    and China was more than 300 basis points.
  0 The job losses in the US manufacturing sector had
    been due to the economic recession in the US.


2/25/2012               Raghav Kumra                      22
…..

  0 China continued to be a large market for US
    products.
  0 The mutually beneficial relationship between
    them would have been disrupted by imposing
    tariffs on Chinese goods.
  0 US trade deficit was growing at more or less
    the same rate with the rest of the world.


2/25/2012             Raghav Kumra                 23
Current Scenario
0 The U.S. goods trade deficit with China increased $68.5 billion in
  2010, and was responsible, alone, for nearly three-quarters
  (72.6%) of the growth in the U.S. current account deficit.
0 Between 2000 and 2010,Chinese share raised from 3.9% to 10.5%,
  while the U.S. share declined nearly a third, from 12.3% to 8.5%
  in the export market.
0 Revaluation would improve the U.S. current account balance by
  up to $190.5 billion.
0 2.25 million U.S. jobs and reducing the federal budget deficit by
  up to $857 billion over 10 years.

  2/25/2012                   Raghav Kumra                       24
Outlook
  0 In early 2007, China was a major market for US
    companies and an important source of capital for the US
    economy.
  0 Yuan-US dollar exchange rate remained at levels similar
    to late 2006.
  0 There were no indications that the Yuan would be
    revalued in the near future.
  0 Exchange rate on 26 April, 2007 was 7.7265 Yuan to the
    US dollar.

2/25/2012                Taqweem Ahmed                        25
…
  0 2006-07: China recorded a GDP growth of 10.5% and
    increased exports by 25%.
  0 China was one of the world’s largest importers of raw
    materials and one of the largest exporters of
    manufactured goods.
  0 Also it was the world’s third-largest importer, behind
    only the US and Germany.
  0 Cheap Chinese products captured the world markets- low
    prices lured the shoppers.

2/25/2012               Taqweem Ahmed                        26
…
  0 China’s increasing share in the world trade prompted US
    government officials to express dissatisfaction over the
    pace at which China was moving toward a floating
    exchange rate system.
  0 China’s currency was appreciating at a fast pace- the
    value of which was not market determined.
  0 Most economists were not in favor of this sudden
    revaluation.
  0 On the other hand, China continued to deny US
    allegations of currency manipulations, claiming its
    currency policy was shaped by national interest.
2/25/2012                 Taqweem Ahmed                        27
.….
  0 In march 2007 US Department of Commerce
    announced the imposition of penalty tariffs on the
    imports of coated free sheet paper from China.
  0 According to Carlos Gutierrez, preliminary duties of
    between 10.9% & 20.35% would be applied to the
    coated paper imports from China.




2/25/2012                Taqweem Ahmed                     28
..…
  0 Amidst Chinese opposition several producers in US
    demanded imposition of trade sanctions against
    China.
  0 Many economists were of the view that trade
    sanctions would backfire and hurt US producers.
  0 US companies in business with East Asia were also
    expected to bear the brunt of this fallout.




2/25/2012                Manan Shah                     29
…..
  0 It was generally believed that if China allowed the
    Yuan to appreciate, it would result in a rise in prices in
    the US as well as in several countries.
  0 As per XEA Report Yuan was expected to appreciate
    by 5 percent against US dollar by 2007 end.However,
    Chinese wanted it to be a little slower, and so decided
    to take the measures to strengthen the value of Yuan.




2/25/2012                  Manan Shah                            30
Reasons for US CHINA TRADE DEFICIT

  0 China    restricts access to its markets while
    aggressively
  0 supporting exports by its domestic firms.
  0 China’s low-wage/low-cost advantage.
  0 China’s artificially undervalued currency.
  0 Americans Consuming, not Saving
  0 Relocation of Exports to China from elsewhere in Asia
  0 Over counting China exports: Example Apple’s iPod
  0 Undercounting U.S. sales
2/25/2012                Manan Shah                         31
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Us china exchange rate final

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  • 2. Presented By: 0 Ankit sachdeva 0 Chetan chauhan 0 Kanika goswami 0 Neha dhoot 0 Raghav kumra 0 Taqweem ahmed 0 Manan shah 2/25/2012 2
  • 3. Introduction “We are very concerned about the negative impact of (China’s) policies on our economic interests” - US Treasury secretary Timothy Geithner. 2/25/2012 Ankit Sachdeva 3
  • 4. ….. 0 The tough talk comes amid concerns that the global currency order is unraveling, with countries breaking ranks in a `beggar- my-neighbour’ use of 1930s-style devaluation to help exporters and shore up their economies. 0 U.S.-China economic ties have expanded substantially over the past three decades. 0 China is currently the second-largest U.S. trading partner, its third-largest export market, and its biggest source of imports. 0 U.S. imports from China have risen much more rapidly than U.S. exports to China, the U.S. merchandise trade deficit has surged, rising from $10 billion in 1990 to an estimated $273 billion in 2010. 2/25/2012 Ankit Sachdeva 4
  • 5. ..… 0 While most of China’s major economic competitors around the world have seen their currencies climb against the dollar the Chinese Yuan has been virtually unchanged. 0 It’s a primary reason China has been able to achieve such a rapid rise in global economic power. 0 Prior to the financial crisis, the U.S. was on its own to convince China to adopt a more “flexible currency regime”. 0 The results were modestly successful — only after the U.S. Congress threatened to impose a tariff on Chinese imports! China allowed its currency to appreciate by 17 percent against the dollar between 2005 and 2008. 0 But since the financial crisis, China has returned to a peg against the greenback. 2/15/2012 Ankit Saxhdeva 5
  • 6. Background 0 The international monetary system came into existence since the 19th century. 0 After 1870 many countries adopted gold convertibility. 0 Under the gold standard each currency was defined in terms of its gold value. 0 One dollar was defined to be equal to the value of 23.22 grains of pure gold or 20.67 US Dollars per ounce. 0 The gold standard broke down during World War 1 but was brought back in 1925. 2/25/2012 Chetan Chauhan 6
  • 7. ….. 0 In 1931 due to massive gold and capital outflows, Britain departed from the gold standard. 0 In January 1934 the US President Franklin Roosevelt increased the price of gold from US$20.67 to US$35.00 per ounce. 0 In July 1944 delegates from 44 nations came together at the Nations Monetary and Financial Conference at Bretton Woods to discuss post war recovery. 2/25/2012 Chetan Chauhan 7
  • 8. ….. 0 The conference led to the creation of two international organizations- the IMF and the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development(now World Bank). 0 Bretton Woods system –exchange rate as agreed by member countries. 0 The Bretton Woods system ended on August 1971. 0 In the 1970s the Bretton Woods system was replaced by floating exchange rates which even continued as of 2007. 2/25/2012 Chetan Chauhan 8
  • 9. CURRENCY IN CHINA 0 Establishment of People’s Bank Of China (PBC) and Issue of Renminbi (people’s currency). 0 The foreign exchange rate of the Yuan was fixed taking into account price comparisons of China’s imports and exports. 0 Fluctuations in Yuan-Dollar Exchange Rate and Dual Track Currency System in China. 0 China becomes member of WTO. 2/25/2012 Kanika Goswami 9
  • 10. ….. 0 US’s dissatisfaction and concerns for Chinese manufacturers’ subsidies and the undervalued Yuan. 0 Zhou’s statement in defense of China’s currency policy. 0 “A stable Yuan is in the interests of China and the world.” 0 US Senators propose legislation imposing 27.5 % tariff on all Chinese Imports. 2/25/2012 Kanika Goswami 10
  • 11. CHINA SOFTENS ITS STAND 0 On 21st July 2005 china introduced the new exchange rate known as “CRAWLING PEG”. 0 Yuan was referenced not just to USD but to a basket of currencies. 0 The Chinese central bank announced that the closing price of the market each working day would become the central parity rate for the following day. 0 The fluctuations allowed by PBC: USD/CHINA – 0.3% above or below the CPR CNY/MYR & CNY/RUB – 5% above or below CPR Other currencies 3% above or below CPR. 2/25/2012 Kanika Goswami 11
  • 12. CENTRAL PARITY RATE: CPR(Thursday) CPR(Wednesday) USD/CNY 6.2947 6.2939 HKD/CNY 0.81174 0.81154 JPY/CNY(Per 100 Yen) 8.1164 8.0945 EUR/CNY 8.2848 8.3161 GBP/CNY 9.8994 9.9226 AUD/CNY 6.7451 6.7291 CAD/CNY 6.2887 6.2895 CNY/MYR 0.48086 0.48097 CNY/RUB 4.7587 4.7710 * Data as on 22th Feb, 2012 2/25/2012 Kanika Goswami 12
  • 13. ….. 0 Chinese decision to peg currencies with the basket of countries welcomed by Jim McCormick ,Global head of Lehman Brothers. 0 The decision indicated that the Chinese were moving towards a flexible exchange rate system. 0 The decision was welcomed by various economists and even IMF was satisfied with this decision however Morris Goldstein, a scholar from Institute of International Economics were of a different view which made the revaluation of YUAN a bit skeptical. 2/25/2012 Kanika Goswami 13
  • 14. YUAN’S REVALUATION 0 Chinese Government hinted for change in reforms over time. 0 21st July : New exchange rate was announced 0 China adopted a managed float system with many government controls still in place. 0 Yuan strengthened to 8.11 from 8.28 to a dollar. 0 27th July : Central bank announced no further changes in the value of Yuan. 2/25/2012 Neha Dhoot 14
  • 15. ….. 0 These conflicting announcements left a more confused view of China’s policies. 0 On one hand it seemed to move towards liberalization of the exchange rate system. 0 On the other, China still looked inclined towards managing the currency tightly. 0 Change in policy had very less effect on Yuan-US dollar. 0 Yuan showed little appreciation against USD even when most other currencies in the basket appreciated. 2/25/2012 Neha Dhoot 15
  • 16. ….. 0 In 2006, China became the 2nd largest trading partner of US, with trade valuation at US$ 281 billion. 0 The US trade deficit with China went up to US$ 232.5 billion. 0 On the other hand, China’s foreign exchange reserves crossed US$ 987 billion. 0 China was increasing its reserves to keep the Yuan weak by absorbing excess dollars in the market and issuing the Yuan instead. 2/25/2012 Neha Dhoot 16
  • 17. 2/25/2012 Neha Dhoot 17
  • 18. Flipside of the coin 0 A trade surplus does not constitute any proof of the currency being undervalued:  China-sans-Hong Kong shows trade surplus but China-plus-Hong Kong does not run big trade surpluses 0 Fear of a fall in foreign investments and a slowdown in the domestic economy:  Stronger Yuan could lead to a fall in China’s agricultural exports , resulting in low incomes for the Chinese farmers 0 Apprehensive about the transition to a floating exchange rate system:  Chinese banks burdened with sizeable non performing assets would not be able to deal with speculative pressures arising from the floating exchange rates. 2/25/2012 Raghav Kumra 18
  • 19. 0 ¥ Has appreciated with respect to $. 0 Decrease in foreign investment 0 Slowdown in Chinese exports ¥ 0 Adversely affect the growth 0 Increase in import of food articles 0 Decrease in price of domestic food products 0 Decrease in agricultural export 0 Lowering the income of farmers Quantity of $ 2/25/2012 Raghav Kumra 19
  • 20. ….. 0 Growing trade deficit was not due to an undervalued Yuan. 0 Infact, Low savings rate in US contributed largely to the trade deficit. (refer table) 0 The undervalued Yuan forced Chinese banks to invest the dollar earnings in US treasury securities, which helped to keep the interests rates in the US low:  Today China tops the list of Major Foreign Holders of Treasury Securities with around US$ 1100.7 billions worth of treasury securities. 2/25/2012 Raghav Kumra 20
  • 21. US and China Compared Savings, Investment and Consumption as a Percentage of GDP China US Gross savings as percentage of GDP 49.8 13.5 Household Savings Ratio 30.0 -0.3 Private Consumption as a % of a GDP 39.9 70.0 Gross fixed investment as a % of GDP 44.4 16.7 Gross National Savings as % of gross national 12 69 investment Current account balance as a % of GDP 5.2 -6.5 2/25/2012 Raghav Kumra 21
  • 22. ….. 0 The undervalued Yuan lowered the price of imports from China, thereby increasing the purchasing power of the US Consumers. 0 Low priced imports of Chinese manufactured products aided the manufacturing sector of US. 0 The difference in key interest rates between the US and China was more than 300 basis points. 0 The job losses in the US manufacturing sector had been due to the economic recession in the US. 2/25/2012 Raghav Kumra 22
  • 23. ….. 0 China continued to be a large market for US products. 0 The mutually beneficial relationship between them would have been disrupted by imposing tariffs on Chinese goods. 0 US trade deficit was growing at more or less the same rate with the rest of the world. 2/25/2012 Raghav Kumra 23
  • 24. Current Scenario 0 The U.S. goods trade deficit with China increased $68.5 billion in 2010, and was responsible, alone, for nearly three-quarters (72.6%) of the growth in the U.S. current account deficit. 0 Between 2000 and 2010,Chinese share raised from 3.9% to 10.5%, while the U.S. share declined nearly a third, from 12.3% to 8.5% in the export market. 0 Revaluation would improve the U.S. current account balance by up to $190.5 billion. 0 2.25 million U.S. jobs and reducing the federal budget deficit by up to $857 billion over 10 years. 2/25/2012 Raghav Kumra 24
  • 25. Outlook 0 In early 2007, China was a major market for US companies and an important source of capital for the US economy. 0 Yuan-US dollar exchange rate remained at levels similar to late 2006. 0 There were no indications that the Yuan would be revalued in the near future. 0 Exchange rate on 26 April, 2007 was 7.7265 Yuan to the US dollar. 2/25/2012 Taqweem Ahmed 25
  • 26. … 0 2006-07: China recorded a GDP growth of 10.5% and increased exports by 25%. 0 China was one of the world’s largest importers of raw materials and one of the largest exporters of manufactured goods. 0 Also it was the world’s third-largest importer, behind only the US and Germany. 0 Cheap Chinese products captured the world markets- low prices lured the shoppers. 2/25/2012 Taqweem Ahmed 26
  • 27. … 0 China’s increasing share in the world trade prompted US government officials to express dissatisfaction over the pace at which China was moving toward a floating exchange rate system. 0 China’s currency was appreciating at a fast pace- the value of which was not market determined. 0 Most economists were not in favor of this sudden revaluation. 0 On the other hand, China continued to deny US allegations of currency manipulations, claiming its currency policy was shaped by national interest. 2/25/2012 Taqweem Ahmed 27
  • 28. .…. 0 In march 2007 US Department of Commerce announced the imposition of penalty tariffs on the imports of coated free sheet paper from China. 0 According to Carlos Gutierrez, preliminary duties of between 10.9% & 20.35% would be applied to the coated paper imports from China. 2/25/2012 Taqweem Ahmed 28
  • 29. ..… 0 Amidst Chinese opposition several producers in US demanded imposition of trade sanctions against China. 0 Many economists were of the view that trade sanctions would backfire and hurt US producers. 0 US companies in business with East Asia were also expected to bear the brunt of this fallout. 2/25/2012 Manan Shah 29
  • 30. ….. 0 It was generally believed that if China allowed the Yuan to appreciate, it would result in a rise in prices in the US as well as in several countries. 0 As per XEA Report Yuan was expected to appreciate by 5 percent against US dollar by 2007 end.However, Chinese wanted it to be a little slower, and so decided to take the measures to strengthen the value of Yuan. 2/25/2012 Manan Shah 30
  • 31. Reasons for US CHINA TRADE DEFICIT 0 China restricts access to its markets while aggressively 0 supporting exports by its domestic firms. 0 China’s low-wage/low-cost advantage. 0 China’s artificially undervalued currency. 0 Americans Consuming, not Saving 0 Relocation of Exports to China from elsewhere in Asia 0 Over counting China exports: Example Apple’s iPod 0 Undercounting U.S. sales 2/25/2012 Manan Shah 31