Murray, T. (2010). On the development of beliefs vs. capacities: A post-metaphysical view of second tier skillfulness. Presented at the 2nd Biannual Integral Theory Conference, John F. Kennedy University. Pleasant Hill, CA, July, 2010.
Not about AQAL….or this is the foundation of AQAL; underlies; Makes philosphers of us all…Metaphysics is about what is real or what exists.
These are some of the general questions in my mind that lead to the paperI’d like to engage you in some of them so we can think about this together…More about questions than answers or models; I will talk about questions vs models under themes of positive epistemic capability vs negative capability
Beliefs define a communityWhat do we have to offer the wider world? Models? Skils/capacities? Methods; wayts; princilples?(offer the second tier world?)
How we FRAME devel narratives…- realtionship TO beliefs (values)- PM is a perspective on belief and knowledge itself…
We distinguish oursleves form prior memes…How important are some of these beliefs to you or others?How do we articulate what’s unsettling (or unjustified) about some beliefs? LATER: talk about mythical, magical and metaphysical thinkiing…its ROLE
And why does it matter??
Looking at epstemology; ways of thinking, capacities; not values/needs.
Many ways we talk about it; all the models wilber mentions- stage based models…STRAW man spectrum!- not critique of existing narratives/projects; an exploration into where next
Ref Kurt Fischer Skill Theory…
Ref Stein on is/ought conflation; naturalistic fallacy; myth of the xxx
puts humans at the forefront of the evolution of consciousness - deeply experience ..access to the motivation (ecstatic impulse) to break free of our egoic and narcissistic tendencies and align with a moral and spiritual sense of purpose and service - more than a surface belief system for its adherents—it is a lived experience that deeply implicates self identity
puts humans at the forefront of the evolution of consciousness - deeply experience ..access to the motivation (ecstatic impulse) to break free of our egoic and narcissistic tendencies and align with a moral and spiritual sense of purpose and service - more than a surface belief system for its adherents—it is a lived experience that deeply implicates self identity
not meant to be fair representations of the core content of the articles they are taken from, but are selected to illustrate a common theme - A story/narrative (vs. a theory/model)
alludes to skills and capacities, but does not describe them sufficiently to allow them to be evaluated or directly supported - a model set of principles; a philosophy
This is about the BOOK only- describes each meme in terms of response to life conditions (p. 56), concerns and priorities (p. 65), decision making style, education modes, family dynamics, community interactions, and life space structures (p. 332). - imply skill sets. -- missing a sufficient description of exactly what these ways of thinking are, as opposed to what they are like.- Asssesment: most/leat like me; about values and beliefs, not thinking skils
can’t blame others for not having these skills or focus; point is to bring more of this in to what we do…- and there are informal non-research ways to orient to skills and capacities over belief systems- in workshops by Cohen, Beck, McIntosh skill building IS happening; but not explicitly…
- I’m particularly interested in second tier skills (not only sequence of development but the FOCAL GOAL)-“look and feel” is it about skillful means or what is believed?- communication (including dialog, deliberation, and written communication), problem solving (including planning and design), decision-making, collaboration (including group dynamics), leadership (and parenting), and learning (including adaptation and self-improvement)
So far, just argued for the different narratives; next argue for problems with beliefs and need for more skills-based; moving along that spectrum- If I had to choose between a Turquise belief system and skills set… “Mean Green Meme” is actually a cultural identity grouping that does not reflect green skill development Think of intelligent/evolved integral non-believers; are hey second tier?
Wiping up the crowd; extreem states; - partial, always wrong-
Its both- at second tier
what do you think of as 'higher self' 'true/authentic self':is it 'higher and overseeing" rest of self; UNDERpinning/fundamental?; Encircling/embracing?
reality is not out there waiting to be seen; not simply as it appears
From Cooke; fact/value convolution
Zone == how x what?Who, how, what enact each other (conascent)- Seean EH:Object’s [altitude & quadrivium] XSubject’s [>= devel level & quadrant]
- In people & in philosophers…
We do these things with a vengeance! We are wired to do this..help us accurately understand the world but can create biases and errors- we also have the opposite drives… (just like we have aggression and nurturance drives in us)See it in yourself. See it in great philosophers….Embodied mind -- Lakoff & Johnson, 1999; Clark 1996; Varela et al. 1993- abstract concepts (e.g. democracy, African-American, god, ego, compassion, spirit, evolution, formal operational thinking, left hand quadrant, green meme, or Eros)
OK for Wilber! That certainty and precision creates a force; but WE don’t have to copy it…How can we bring both of these into play?- everybody is partially RIGHT; vs Everybody is (partly) wrong