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Digital Fabrication & Fab Labs

Massimo Menichinelli
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FabCamp Torino
29 Ottobre 2011
FabLab Italia - Stazione Futuro – Officine Grandi Riparazioni
Torino

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Cosa é la Digital Fabrication (o
   Fabbing) ed un Fab Lab?
Fab Lab: MIT + Neil Gershenfeld




                 http://cba.mit.edu/
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gershenfeld
Bit + atomi = informazione + materia




       http://fablab.waag.org/node/3847
01. Computer collegati a macchine




http://www.google.com/patents?id=rRpqAAAAEBAJ&printsec=drawing&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
02. Macchine che creano macchine




          http://www.reprap.org/
03. Materiali con codice incorporato




         http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEGO
04. Materiali con programma incorporato




          http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribosoma
Anche IDEO ci sta pensando!




http://www.fastcompany.com/biomimicry/training-bacteria-to-grow-consumer-goods
Ma nel 2011 ci sono:




                  Fresa CNC       Plotter taglio   Scanner 3D
Taglio laser
                  (da tavolo)         vinile




                   Macchina
  Stampa                          Fresa CNC         Arduino
                    cucito e
    3D                             (grande)
                ricamo digitale
“Democratizzazione” del Fabbing




      http://www.origo3dprinting.com/
Ed il Fabbing diventa famoso




http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/01/ff_newrevolution/
                  http://econ.st/tnr97E
Fabbing + spazio + collaborazione = Fab Lab




      http://www.flickr.com/photos/protospace/5199454304/
Caratteristiche di un Fab Lab


Un Fab Lab, per essere tale, deve:

* garantire l'accesso pubblico al fab lab
* sottoscrivere la fab lab charter
* condividere lo stesso tipo di strumenti e processi
* partecipare nella rete globale dei fab lab



    http://wiki.fablab.is/w/index.php?title=ConditionsForFabLabLabel
Fab Charter
* Mission: fab labs are a global network of local labs, enabling invention by providing access for
 individuals to tools for digital fabrication.
* Access: you can use the fab lab to make almost anything (that doesn't hurt anyone); you must
 learn to do it yourself, and you must share use of the lab with other uses and users
* Education: training in the fab lab is based on doing projects and learning from peers; you're
 expected to contribute to documentation and instruction
* Responsibility: you're responsible for:
  * safety: knowing how to work without hurting people or machines
  * cleaning up: leaving the lab cleaner than you found it
  * operations: assisting with maintaining, repairing, and reporting on tools, supplies, and incidents
* Secrecy: designs and processes developed in fab labs must remain available for individual use
 although intellectual property can be protected however you choose
* Business: commercial activities can be incubated in fab labs but they must not conflict with open
 access, they should grow beyond rather than within the lab, and they are expected to beneft the
 inventors, labs, and networks that contribute to their success.
August 30, 2007


                            http://fab.cba.mit.edu/about/charter/
Fab Charter (Amsterdam, Olanda)




     http://fablab.waag.org/archive/fabcharter
Fabn : la riunione annuale




       http://fab7.pe/
Fab Academy




http://fabacademy.org/
The International Fab Lab Association




       http://fablabinternational.blogspot.com/
Fab Lab Amsterdam (Olanda)




              http://fablab.waag.org/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/37873897@N06/4973326149/
Mini Fab Lab (Utrecht, Olanda)




http://web.me.com/bartbakker/saguaro/Mini_FabLab.html
Mobile Fab Lab




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_fab_lab
Fab Lab Afghanistan (Jalalabad, Afghanistan)




                http://www.fablab.af/
Fing: Fab Lab Squared (Parigi, Francia)




            http://fablabsquared.org/
FabLab Barcelona (Spagna)




      http://fablabbcn.org/
Un Fab Lab per l'architettura




       http://www.iaac.net/
Un Fab Lab per l'architettura




     http://www.fablabhouse.com/
L'influenza del contesto sul Fab Lab




     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Batlló
Green FabLab Barcelona




    http://greenfablab.org/
Il futuro: Barcelona FabCity




“Toni Vives [...], Head of the Department the Urban Habitat in the Ofce of the Mayor of
Barcelona and member of the IAAC Board of Directors, presented the city’s plan to
become a “Fab City” with multiple Fab Labs in neighborhoods around Barcelona.”
        http://www.iaacblog.com/blog/2011/iaac-at-fab-7-in-lima-peru/
… ed un centro di DIY / riparazioni




      http://reparatmillorquenou.blogspot.com/
                 http://bit.ly/uK5ZhH
Fab Lab e Brand: no trademark (per ora)




       http://fab.cba.mit.edu/about/logos/index.html
Fab Lab e Brand: una possibile strategia?




   http://www.flickr.com/photos/journal-du-design/3895643669/
Absolut Lab (Madrid, Spagna)




http://www.franciscosegarra.com/absolut-lab-proyecto-interiorismo/
Absolut Lab (Madrid, Spagna)
Ma esistono solo i Fab Lab?
Ponoko (Nuova Zelanda)




     http://www.ponoko.com
Shapeways (Olanda)




  http://www.shapeways.com
Hackerspace / Makerspace




http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces
Sewing Café




http://www.thesewingcafe.co.uk/
Techshop




http://techshop.ws/
100k Garages (USA)




http://www.100kgarages.com/fabbers/map
Seoul (Corea del Sud)
Living Labs (USA, Europa)




    http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/
A cosa serve un Fab Lab?
Uno spazio per il DIY




Foto: Scott Beale / Laughing Squid http://laughingsquid.com
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/133324021/
Modificare prodotti esistenti




    http://www.ikeahackers.net/
Design o Architettura Generativa




       http://www.n-e-r-v-o-u-s.com/
Mass Customization




  http://nikeid.nike.com/nikeid/
Concorsi di (Open) Design




   http://unlimiteddesigncontest.org/
Sviluppare prodotti e servizi (open)




      http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
Open: Hardware, Software, Design




         http://www.buglabs.net/
BugLabs + Ford




http://www.buglabs.net/ford-buglabs
Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo




       http://craphound.com/makers/download/
Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo




                 http://opendesignnow.org/
 http://www.droog.com/projects/events/design-for-download/
 http://www.droog.com/blog/category/design-for-download-2/
Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo




      http://www.instructables.com/community/Instructables-Joins-Autodesk/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/01/autodesk-acquires-diy-community-instructables/
Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo




           http://www.123dapp.com/
Perché aprire un Fab Lab?
I designer si possono autoprodurre




http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1104350651/tiktok-lunatik-multi-touch-watch-kits
Sostenibilitá e rilocalizzazione




        http://www.sourcemap.com
Il tipico processo (chiuso) di sviluppo




  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Microsoft_Windows
Ed uno Open!!!




http://futurist.se/gldt/
Open Hardware: un mercato in crescita
           $11.000.000


           $10.000.000
                                                                                                             2009:
            $9.000.000
                                                                                                             * 13 compagnie sopra $ 1 m.
            $8.000.000                                                                                       * totale: $ 50 m.
                                                                                                             * $ 1 miliardo entro il 2015
            $7.000.000


            $6.000.000
Revenues




            $5.000.000


            $4.000.000


            $3.000.000


            $2.000.000


            $1.000.000


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                                                                                                                        See
     http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/05/million-dollar-baby-businesses-de.html
SparkFun




“In 2010, SparkFun had revenues of about $18.4MM. As of April of 2011, we have
around 120 employees, up from 87 a year ago.”
“We hope to grow by 50% this year (2011) to around $28MM in sales. We expect
to be in the 30-50MM range in the next 3-5.”

                      http://www.sparkfun.com/news/599
Ed Etsy per l'artigianato / DIY




         http://www.etsy.com/
Etsy                 Utentu: +8 milioni
                                                                                                       Negozi attivi: +800,000
                                                                                                       Prodotti 8.5 milioni
                                         $350.000.000




                                         $300.000.000




                                         $250.000.000
Total $ sold (Gross Merchandise Sales)




                                         $200.000.000




                                         $150.000.000




                                         $100.000.000




                                          $50.000.000




                                                  $0
                                                        2005   2006        2007     2008     2009      2010    2011 (March)


                                                                      http://www.etsy.com/press/kit/
Il mercato del Fabbing

Il settore della stampa 3D é cresciuto del 24.1% nel 2011.
    Previsioni: $3.1 miliardi (2016) $5.2 miliardi (2020).
                  (Wohlers Associates, 2011)




 Business sostenibile         Business non ancora sostenibile
--> $10 Milioni da VC              --> $5 Milioni da VC
Fabbing + designers = $$$ + Open Design




http://www.freedomofcreation.com/home/3d-systems-acquires-freedom-of-creation
Fabbing + utenti = $$$ + Open Design




http://blog.3dsystems.com/2011/05/3d-systems-partners-with-alibre.html
                        http://www.alibre.com/
Gli utenti innovano – e tanto!


“We fnd this previously unmeasured type of household sector
innovation to be quite large: 6.2% of UK consumers - 2.9 million
individuals - have engaged in consumer product innovation during the
prior 3 years. In aggregate, consumers’ annual product development
expenditures are 2.3 times larger than the annual consumer product
R&D expenditures of all frms in the UK combined. “

Eric A. Von Hippel, Jeroen De Jong, Steven Flowers
Comparing Business and Household Sector Innovation in Consumer Products:
Findings from a Representative Study in the UK
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1683503
Quanto costa un Fab Lab?

* $50.000 secondo l'MIT
* $20.000 in Ghana
* $12,500 - $5000 con attrezzature open source / hardware
* 3000 € per la versione da camera

Attenzione a fare un buon business model + business plan!

Che cosa si offre:
* accesso ad uno spazio con attrezzature
* servizi legati all'innovazione e commercializzazione
      www.openp2pdesign.org/2011/fabbing/business-models-for-fab-labs/
Modelli di business per un Fab Lab


* Facilitatore: lancio di nuovi Lab e servizi di supporto
* Educatore: un sistema globale e distribuito di programmi
 educativi (Fab Academy + apprendimento peer-to-peer)
* Incubatore: provvede l'infrastruttura e le conoscenze per
 sviluppare un business locale
* La Rete: replica e diffonde un business nato localmente in
 tutti i nodi della rete dei Fab Lab



      www.openp2pdesign.org/2011/fabbing/business-models-for-fab-labs/
Che succede in Italia?
(a parte Arduino e Fab Lab Italia)
Vectorealism (Milano)




  http://www.vectorealism.com/
Openwear (Milano, Europa)




     http://www.openwear.org/
WeFab (Milano)




 http://www.wefab.it/
Plug and Wear (Firenze)




   http://www.plugandwear.com/
D-Shape / Dinitech (Londra - Pisa)




   http://www.d-shape.com/ - http://www.dinitech.it/
Frankenstein Garage (Milano)




   http://www.frankensteingarage.it
Blomming (Milano)




   http://blomming.com/
Co-de-iT




http://www.co-de-it.com/
PoliMi Physical Computing




       http://131.175.137.62/
Che cosa c'é ancora da fare
  (soprattutto in Italia)?
Iniziative possibili

* organizzare Fab Lab
* sviluppare e diffondere una cultura del Fabbing, del
 Co-design, del Computing e dell' Open
* costruire reti con le imprese e le istituzioni esistenti
* fare ricerca:
   * sostenibilitá (ambientale, sociale, economica)
   * strumenti e processi, per il fabbing e la collaborazione
   * impatto del fabbing / collaborazione nelle cittá e territori
Qualche domanda o commento?
Grazie!
Massimo Menichinelli

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FabCamp Torino - 29/10/2011

  • 1. Digital Fabrication & Fab Labs Massimo Menichinelli --------------------------------------------------------------------------- FabCamp Torino 29 Ottobre 2011 FabLab Italia - Stazione Futuro – Officine Grandi Riparazioni Torino Presentazione online su: http://www.slideshare.net/openp2pdesign
  • 2. Cosa é la Digital Fabrication (o Fabbing) ed un Fab Lab?
  • 3. Fab Lab: MIT + Neil Gershenfeld http://cba.mit.edu/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gershenfeld
  • 4. Bit + atomi = informazione + materia http://fablab.waag.org/node/3847
  • 5. 01. Computer collegati a macchine http://www.google.com/patents?id=rRpqAAAAEBAJ&printsec=drawing&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
  • 6. 02. Macchine che creano macchine http://www.reprap.org/
  • 7. 03. Materiali con codice incorporato http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEGO
  • 8. 04. Materiali con programma incorporato http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribosoma
  • 9. Anche IDEO ci sta pensando! http://www.fastcompany.com/biomimicry/training-bacteria-to-grow-consumer-goods
  • 10. Ma nel 2011 ci sono: Fresa CNC Plotter taglio Scanner 3D Taglio laser (da tavolo) vinile Macchina Stampa Fresa CNC Arduino cucito e 3D (grande) ricamo digitale
  • 11. “Democratizzazione” del Fabbing http://www.origo3dprinting.com/
  • 12. Ed il Fabbing diventa famoso http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/01/ff_newrevolution/ http://econ.st/tnr97E
  • 13. Fabbing + spazio + collaborazione = Fab Lab http://www.flickr.com/photos/protospace/5199454304/
  • 14. Caratteristiche di un Fab Lab Un Fab Lab, per essere tale, deve: * garantire l'accesso pubblico al fab lab * sottoscrivere la fab lab charter * condividere lo stesso tipo di strumenti e processi * partecipare nella rete globale dei fab lab http://wiki.fablab.is/w/index.php?title=ConditionsForFabLabLabel
  • 15. Fab Charter * Mission: fab labs are a global network of local labs, enabling invention by providing access for individuals to tools for digital fabrication. * Access: you can use the fab lab to make almost anything (that doesn't hurt anyone); you must learn to do it yourself, and you must share use of the lab with other uses and users * Education: training in the fab lab is based on doing projects and learning from peers; you're expected to contribute to documentation and instruction * Responsibility: you're responsible for: * safety: knowing how to work without hurting people or machines * cleaning up: leaving the lab cleaner than you found it * operations: assisting with maintaining, repairing, and reporting on tools, supplies, and incidents * Secrecy: designs and processes developed in fab labs must remain available for individual use although intellectual property can be protected however you choose * Business: commercial activities can be incubated in fab labs but they must not conflict with open access, they should grow beyond rather than within the lab, and they are expected to beneft the inventors, labs, and networks that contribute to their success. August 30, 2007 http://fab.cba.mit.edu/about/charter/
  • 16. Fab Charter (Amsterdam, Olanda) http://fablab.waag.org/archive/fabcharter
  • 17. Fabn : la riunione annuale http://fab7.pe/
  • 19. The International Fab Lab Association http://fablabinternational.blogspot.com/
  • 20. Fab Lab Amsterdam (Olanda) http://fablab.waag.org/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/37873897@N06/4973326149/
  • 21. Mini Fab Lab (Utrecht, Olanda) http://web.me.com/bartbakker/saguaro/Mini_FabLab.html
  • 23. Fab Lab Afghanistan (Jalalabad, Afghanistan) http://www.fablab.af/
  • 24. Fing: Fab Lab Squared (Parigi, Francia) http://fablabsquared.org/
  • 25. FabLab Barcelona (Spagna) http://fablabbcn.org/
  • 26. Un Fab Lab per l'architettura http://www.iaac.net/
  • 27. Un Fab Lab per l'architettura http://www.fablabhouse.com/
  • 28. L'influenza del contesto sul Fab Lab http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Batlló
  • 29. Green FabLab Barcelona http://greenfablab.org/
  • 30. Il futuro: Barcelona FabCity “Toni Vives [...], Head of the Department the Urban Habitat in the Ofce of the Mayor of Barcelona and member of the IAAC Board of Directors, presented the city’s plan to become a “Fab City” with multiple Fab Labs in neighborhoods around Barcelona.” http://www.iaacblog.com/blog/2011/iaac-at-fab-7-in-lima-peru/
  • 31. … ed un centro di DIY / riparazioni http://reparatmillorquenou.blogspot.com/ http://bit.ly/uK5ZhH
  • 32. Fab Lab e Brand: no trademark (per ora) http://fab.cba.mit.edu/about/logos/index.html
  • 33. Fab Lab e Brand: una possibile strategia? http://www.flickr.com/photos/journal-du-design/3895643669/
  • 34. Absolut Lab (Madrid, Spagna) http://www.franciscosegarra.com/absolut-lab-proyecto-interiorismo/
  • 36. Ma esistono solo i Fab Lab?
  • 37. Ponoko (Nuova Zelanda) http://www.ponoko.com
  • 38. Shapeways (Olanda) http://www.shapeways.com
  • 44. Living Labs (USA, Europa) http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/
  • 45. A cosa serve un Fab Lab?
  • 46. Uno spazio per il DIY Foto: Scott Beale / Laughing Squid http://laughingsquid.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/133324021/
  • 47. Modificare prodotti esistenti http://www.ikeahackers.net/
  • 48. Design o Architettura Generativa http://www.n-e-r-v-o-u-s.com/
  • 49. Mass Customization http://nikeid.nike.com/nikeid/
  • 50. Concorsi di (Open) Design http://unlimiteddesigncontest.org/
  • 51. Sviluppare prodotti e servizi (open) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
  • 52. Open: Hardware, Software, Design http://www.buglabs.net/
  • 54. Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo http://craphound.com/makers/download/
  • 55. Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo http://opendesignnow.org/ http://www.droog.com/projects/events/design-for-download/ http://www.droog.com/blog/category/design-for-download-2/
  • 56. Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo http://www.instructables.com/community/Instructables-Joins-Autodesk/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/01/autodesk-acquires-diy-community-instructables/
  • 57. Open Design: (quasi) giá un successo http://www.123dapp.com/
  • 58. Perché aprire un Fab Lab?
  • 59. I designer si possono autoprodurre http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1104350651/tiktok-lunatik-multi-touch-watch-kits
  • 60. Sostenibilitá e rilocalizzazione http://www.sourcemap.com
  • 61. Il tipico processo (chiuso) di sviluppo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Microsoft_Windows
  • 63. Open Hardware: un mercato in crescita $11.000.000 $10.000.000 2009: $9.000.000 * 13 compagnie sopra $ 1 m. $8.000.000 * totale: $ 50 m. * $ 1 miliardo entro il 2015 $7.000.000 $6.000.000 Revenues $5.000.000 $4.000.000 $3.000.000 $2.000.000 $1.000.000 $0 s o d it are s i os y n t rb o La b e mb e uin rkfu fru ron rS h tud idw e Ada Ard Chu Bug Sp a Mak D e dS Liqu Mak DIY e See http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/05/million-dollar-baby-businesses-de.html
  • 64. SparkFun “In 2010, SparkFun had revenues of about $18.4MM. As of April of 2011, we have around 120 employees, up from 87 a year ago.” “We hope to grow by 50% this year (2011) to around $28MM in sales. We expect to be in the 30-50MM range in the next 3-5.” http://www.sparkfun.com/news/599
  • 65. Ed Etsy per l'artigianato / DIY http://www.etsy.com/
  • 66. Etsy Utentu: +8 milioni Negozi attivi: +800,000 Prodotti 8.5 milioni $350.000.000 $300.000.000 $250.000.000 Total $ sold (Gross Merchandise Sales) $200.000.000 $150.000.000 $100.000.000 $50.000.000 $0 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 (March) http://www.etsy.com/press/kit/
  • 67. Il mercato del Fabbing Il settore della stampa 3D é cresciuto del 24.1% nel 2011. Previsioni: $3.1 miliardi (2016) $5.2 miliardi (2020). (Wohlers Associates, 2011) Business sostenibile Business non ancora sostenibile --> $10 Milioni da VC --> $5 Milioni da VC
  • 68. Fabbing + designers = $$$ + Open Design http://www.freedomofcreation.com/home/3d-systems-acquires-freedom-of-creation
  • 69. Fabbing + utenti = $$$ + Open Design http://blog.3dsystems.com/2011/05/3d-systems-partners-with-alibre.html http://www.alibre.com/
  • 70. Gli utenti innovano – e tanto! “We fnd this previously unmeasured type of household sector innovation to be quite large: 6.2% of UK consumers - 2.9 million individuals - have engaged in consumer product innovation during the prior 3 years. In aggregate, consumers’ annual product development expenditures are 2.3 times larger than the annual consumer product R&D expenditures of all frms in the UK combined. “ Eric A. Von Hippel, Jeroen De Jong, Steven Flowers Comparing Business and Household Sector Innovation in Consumer Products: Findings from a Representative Study in the UK http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1683503
  • 71. Quanto costa un Fab Lab? * $50.000 secondo l'MIT * $20.000 in Ghana * $12,500 - $5000 con attrezzature open source / hardware * 3000 € per la versione da camera Attenzione a fare un buon business model + business plan! Che cosa si offre: * accesso ad uno spazio con attrezzature * servizi legati all'innovazione e commercializzazione www.openp2pdesign.org/2011/fabbing/business-models-for-fab-labs/
  • 72. Modelli di business per un Fab Lab * Facilitatore: lancio di nuovi Lab e servizi di supporto * Educatore: un sistema globale e distribuito di programmi educativi (Fab Academy + apprendimento peer-to-peer) * Incubatore: provvede l'infrastruttura e le conoscenze per sviluppare un business locale * La Rete: replica e diffonde un business nato localmente in tutti i nodi della rete dei Fab Lab www.openp2pdesign.org/2011/fabbing/business-models-for-fab-labs/
  • 73. Che succede in Italia? (a parte Arduino e Fab Lab Italia)
  • 74. Vectorealism (Milano) http://www.vectorealism.com/
  • 75. Openwear (Milano, Europa) http://www.openwear.org/
  • 77. Plug and Wear (Firenze) http://www.plugandwear.com/
  • 78. D-Shape / Dinitech (Londra - Pisa) http://www.d-shape.com/ - http://www.dinitech.it/
  • 79. Frankenstein Garage (Milano) http://www.frankensteingarage.it
  • 80. Blomming (Milano) http://blomming.com/
  • 82. PoliMi Physical Computing http://131.175.137.62/
  • 83. Che cosa c'é ancora da fare (soprattutto in Italia)?
  • 84. Iniziative possibili * organizzare Fab Lab * sviluppare e diffondere una cultura del Fabbing, del Co-design, del Computing e dell' Open * costruire reti con le imprese e le istituzioni esistenti * fare ricerca: * sostenibilitá (ambientale, sociale, economica) * strumenti e processi, per il fabbing e la collaborazione * impatto del fabbing / collaborazione nelle cittá e territori
  • 85. Qualche domanda o commento?