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Bill Hader On His Sundance Drama, 'The Skeleton Twins'
Bill Hader On His Sundance Drama, 'The Skeleton Twins'
The last time I spoke to Bill Hader was at San Diego Comic-Con and he was, to say the least,
reflective. After eight seasons, Hader had just left "Saturday Night Live" and was venturing into a
new chapter of his career -- a very uncertain chapter. During that interview, Hader mentioned a film
called "The Skeleton Twins" that he had just made with his former "SNL" co-star Kristen Wiig. The
part the grabbed my attention is that "The Skeleton Twins" is not a comedy, but a drama. Hader
wasn't waiting long at all to play against type.
In "The Skeleton Twins," Hader plays Milo -- a gay man living in Los Angeles who, after too many
failed relationships and too much failure as an actor, attempts suicide. After, Milo is invited to live
with his estranged sister, Maggie (Wiig), and her husband (Luke Wilson) -- who she clearly no longer
loves -- in upstate New York. The film focuses on the two siblings as they attempt to work through all
of their emotional damage. (And, honestly, the film is much funnier than anyone was letting on.)
I met Hader off of a very busy Main Street in Park City, Utah -- a very different Hader than the one I
had met in San Diego. This is now a guy looking forward, not back. And it's obvious how proud he is
of this film and, honestly, he should be.
The last time we spoke, I got in a little bit of trouble because we didn't really talk about the movie
you were promoting.
So it's my fault.
I requested this interview today just to blame you personally.
Yeah, thanks, asshole. [Laughs]
It's interesting, they're billing this as the "Bill Hader and Kristen Wiig drama," but it's a lot funnier
than people are letting on. It's not "Ordinary People," or something like that.
No, no. Yeah, it has comedy in it. I think the reverse would be worse, where it's like people were
kind of expecting, when they see us they're thinking, "Oh, this is going to be fucking hilarious."
Here comes the hijinks.
Yeah, here comes the hijinks, here comes the crazy voices. And then they go, "What the fuck is this?"
You know? Especially the opening. And so, for me, approaching it is different than anything else I've
ever done -- and it's also the biggest role I've had in a movie, too. So I was very happy that I got to
do a bigger role and also do something different than what people kind of expect from you -especially coming off "SNL."
Did you feel some sort of pressure at all going in for something like this? Because it is a lot different
than what people are used to seeing you do.
No, I was very excited to do something different-- I was doing a thing that I was excited about. And
so just because I came from "SNL" doesn't mean I have to have the stereotypical career. Which isn't
bad, by the way. I mean, it's wonderful and I love some of those movies.
Then there's interesting stuff like Will Forte is doing.
Exactly! Where it's like, you don't have to do that. I mean, I was very lucky that the people I was
with at "SNL" were all good actors. Everyone was just a solid actor. And that's what I enjoy doing.
Even when I would do a character on the show, I always liked to kind of figure out the voice, figure
out the costume, talk more about little moods you can do. I don't know; it's all just instinctual. It's
hard to like intellectualize it. It's a very instinctual thing.
Well, the instinctual part of it, working with Kristen again -- obviously you guys worked together for
a while and then there's a chemistry that's already there. But did you worry that we might not take it
too far, from a comedy aspect?
Well, that's [director] Craig Johnson. And we did a couple of times, but Craig cut it out because he's
smart.
Oh, really?
Yeah. That whole scene with us using gas at the dentist office, there is a lot of shit of us doing crazy
shit in that. Craig was like, "It was hilarious," we were falling down on the floor laughing, but it was
like, "Oh, these are the professional comedians now," you know? But I also wanted to make sure that
the guy was funny in the way that they wrote him to be. I was like, "Okay, that's different funny in
the way -- medium funny." It's a different kind of funny.
Milo makes a joke that he won an Oscar playing a mentally challenged Ukrainian immigrant who
lives in Brooklyn and teaches high school kids how to play chess. That should be your next role.
I should do that. Why didn't I do that? I know, it would be like the most meta thing on earth.
That will be your shtick.
Yeah, that will be my shtick.
Every movie, you do a joke about something then you play it next.
And then actually do it.
You and Kristen mime out Starship's "Nothing's Gonna to Stop Us Now" in this movie. That's a showstopper
Yeah.
You know what's great about that? That the whole song played.
Yeah, when I first saw it, I went, "Man, you played the whole song!" We did it, but I thought we'll cut
out of it at some point or whatever. No. Craig's like, "No, we're playing the whole song."
As a viewer of it at a film festival, I'm worried that when it's released theatrically, they're gonna cut
it down. I hope that doesn't happen.
Well, you know what? It's hard because it keeps going. I mean, I heard even at the press screening it
got a reaction.
I was there. It did.
Which, a press screening? That basically doesn't happen. The screening yesterday at the Library, it
got applause and people went nuts during it. So, yeah, I hope they don't touch it at all.
You've read the reviews, right? People are responding very well to this.
I tend to just -- people are saying nice things?
Yes.
Good. Very good to hear.
I mean, you had to have a good idea it would go over well.
We had no idea.
You've had to have been in movies where you knew things were going well or not going well.
Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes you think it's great, then you see it and you go, "Oh, that's what we
were making." Or you go, "Oh, I don't know about that," then you see it and you go, "Oh, that's what
they were doing!" You know? You have no idea; it's just kind of out of your control.
Is there an example in "The Skeleton Twins" where you were like, "I don't know about this shot?"
until you saw the final cut?
You know what? And it's a testament to Craig Johnson's directing. My very last shot of the movie,
and I don't want to give a lot away in your interview, but it's me and Kristen in a pool. It was my very
last shot of the movie. And I said, "This should be a very big emotional moment right now, right?" I
planned this thing, and then I talked to him about it. And he said, "No, I just want you to look at her."
And he kind of looked at me, and he went, "Bill, you've got to trust me." And I went, "Yes, sir," and I
jumped in the water, I looked at her and then they went, "That's a wrap on Bill," and I went home -and that was it. And so then when I saw the film, when I saw the music play and I saw where that
came in the movie, I was like, "brilliant, spot-on, bang-on, perfect." You don't need that big moment.
He was 100 percent right.
With the suicide attempt from the beginning: I had done research, I had talked to people. And so, I
had all these ideas for how to do this. I was like calling Craig, going, "What about this? What about
this? What about this? What do you think?" And he let me try some of them, but, ultimately, he was
like, "We've got to be able to go someplace in this movie. At the beginning of the movie, you've got to
be able to go someplace." If you do something that's fucking off the wall, then it's like, where do you
go from here?
The audience is thinking, Who is this guy?
Yeah, "Who is this guy? Where do you go from here?" So it was little things like, "Ooh, let's put the
suicide note on a envelope."
With a funny message written.
With a funny message. We didn't know how funny that was -- and then that was a great thing.
Mike Ryan is senior writer for Huffington Post Entertainment. You can contact him directly on
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Glenn Close, Flea
Cast member Glenn Close speaks with reporters as fellow cast member Flea, rear, of the Red Hot
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Glenn Close, Amy-Jo Albany
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"Low Down" during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah.
(Photo by Danny Moloshok/Invision/AP)
John C. Reilly
John C. Reilly, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses at the premiere of the film at the 2014
Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris
Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Aubrey Plaza, Dane DeHaan
Aubrey Plaza, right, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses alongside fellow cast member Dane
DeHaan, left, at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014,
in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Paul Reiser
Paul Reiser, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses at the premiere of the film at the 2014
Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris
Pizzello/Invision/AP)
John C. Reilly, Molly Shannon
John C. Reilly, left, and Molly Shannon, cast members in "Life After Beth" pose together at the
premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah.
(Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Aubrey Plaza
Aubrey Plaza, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses at the premiere of the film at the 2014
Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris
Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Dane DeHaan, Anna Wood
Dane DeHaan, right, a cast member in "Life After Beth," poses with his wife, actress Anna Wood, at
the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City,
Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Jeff Baena, Aubrey Plaza, Cheryl Hines, Matthew Gray Gubler
Jeff Baena, left, writer/director of "Life After Beth," poses with cast members, from left, Aubrey
Plaza, Cheryl Hines and Matthew Gray Gubler at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film
Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Aubrey Plaza
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the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris
Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Cheryl Hines
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Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Philip Seymour Hoffman
Cast member Philip Seymour Hoffman poses at the premiere of the film "A Most Wanted Man"
during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by
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Philip Seymour Hoffman, Anton Corbijn
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Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Danny Moloshok/Invision/AP)
Rachel McAdams
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Rachel McAdams
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Anna Kendrick
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Mark Webber, Teresa Palmer
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Palmer," as he is interviewed at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival,
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Swanberg, and their son Jude, 3, a cast member in the film, at the premiere of the film at the 2014
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and Anna Kendrick at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19,
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premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah.
(Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
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Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Danny
Moloshok/Invision/AP)
Kelly Reilly
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Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Danny
Moloshok/Invision/AP)
John Michael McDonagh, Kelly Reilly, Isaach De Bankole, Chris O'Dowd
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Isaach De Bankole, and Chris O'Dowd laugh together as they pose at the premiere of the film
"Calvary" during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.
(Photo by Danny Moloshok/Invision/AP)
Chris O'Dowd
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the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Danny
Moloshok/Invision/AP)
Chris O'Dowd
Cast member Chris O'Dowd is interviewed at the premiere of the film "Calvary" during the 2014
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Moloshok/Invision/AP)
John Michael McDonagh, Kelly Reilly, Isaach De Bankole, Chris O'Dowd
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Arquette and filmmaker Richard Linklater attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre
during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason
Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater (fashion detail) attends the 'Boyhood'
premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in
Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ellar Coltrane attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles
Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City,
Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater and filmmaker Richard Linklater attend the
'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19,
2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles
Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City,
Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Patricia Arquette attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles
Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City,
Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actors Ethan Hawke and Ellar Coltrane attend the 'Boyhood'
premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in
Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actors Ellar Coltrane and Lorelei Linklater attend the 'Boyhood'
premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in
Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:(L-R) Executive producer John Sloss, producer Cathleen Sutherland,
actors Ethan Hawke, Ellar Coltrane, Lorelei Linklater, Patricia Arquette, filmmaker Richard
Linklater and executive producer Jonathan Sehring attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
"Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival
PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:(L-R) Executive producer John Sloss, producer Cathleen Sutherland,
actors Ethan Hawke, Ellar Coltrane, Lorelei Linklater, Patricia Arquette, filmmaker Richard
Linklater and executive producer Jonathan Sehring attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center
Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by
Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
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  • 2. Even when I would do a character on the show, I always liked to kind of figure out the voice, figure out the costume, talk more about little moods you can do. I don't know; it's all just instinctual. It's hard to like intellectualize it. It's a very instinctual thing. Well, the instinctual part of it, working with Kristen again -- obviously you guys worked together for a while and then there's a chemistry that's already there. But did you worry that we might not take it too far, from a comedy aspect? Well, that's [director] Craig Johnson. And we did a couple of times, but Craig cut it out because he's smart. Oh, really? Yeah. That whole scene with us using gas at the dentist office, there is a lot of shit of us doing crazy shit in that. Craig was like, "It was hilarious," we were falling down on the floor laughing, but it was like, "Oh, these are the professional comedians now," you know? But I also wanted to make sure that the guy was funny in the way that they wrote him to be. I was like, "Okay, that's different funny in the way -- medium funny." It's a different kind of funny. Milo makes a joke that he won an Oscar playing a mentally challenged Ukrainian immigrant who lives in Brooklyn and teaches high school kids how to play chess. That should be your next role. I should do that. Why didn't I do that? I know, it would be like the most meta thing on earth. That will be your shtick. Yeah, that will be my shtick. Every movie, you do a joke about something then you play it next. And then actually do it. You and Kristen mime out Starship's "Nothing's Gonna to Stop Us Now" in this movie. That's a showstopper Yeah. You know what's great about that? That the whole song played. Yeah, when I first saw it, I went, "Man, you played the whole song!" We did it, but I thought we'll cut out of it at some point or whatever. No. Craig's like, "No, we're playing the whole song." As a viewer of it at a film festival, I'm worried that when it's released theatrically, they're gonna cut it down. I hope that doesn't happen. Well, you know what? It's hard because it keeps going. I mean, I heard even at the press screening it got a reaction. I was there. It did. Which, a press screening? That basically doesn't happen. The screening yesterday at the Library, it got applause and people went nuts during it. So, yeah, I hope they don't touch it at all. You've read the reviews, right? People are responding very well to this. I tend to just -- people are saying nice things? Yes. Good. Very good to hear. I mean, you had to have a good idea it would go over well.
  • 3. We had no idea. You've had to have been in movies where you knew things were going well or not going well. Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes you think it's great, then you see it and you go, "Oh, that's what we were making." Or you go, "Oh, I don't know about that," then you see it and you go, "Oh, that's what they were doing!" You know? You have no idea; it's just kind of out of your control. Is there an example in "The Skeleton Twins" where you were like, "I don't know about this shot?" until you saw the final cut? You know what? And it's a testament to Craig Johnson's directing. My very last shot of the movie, and I don't want to give a lot away in your interview, but it's me and Kristen in a pool. It was my very last shot of the movie. And I said, "This should be a very big emotional moment right now, right?" I planned this thing, and then I talked to him about it. And he said, "No, I just want you to look at her." And he kind of looked at me, and he went, "Bill, you've got to trust me." And I went, "Yes, sir," and I jumped in the water, I looked at her and then they went, "That's a wrap on Bill," and I went home -and that was it. And so then when I saw the film, when I saw the music play and I saw where that came in the movie, I was like, "brilliant, spot-on, bang-on, perfect." You don't need that big moment. He was 100 percent right. With the suicide attempt from the beginning: I had done research, I had talked to people. And so, I had all these ideas for how to do this. I was like calling Craig, going, "What about this? What about this? What about this? What do you think?" And he let me try some of them, but, ultimately, he was like, "We've got to be able to go someplace in this movie. At the beginning of the movie, you've got to be able to go someplace." If you do something that's fucking off the wall, then it's like, where do you go from here? The audience is thinking, Who is this guy? Yeah, "Who is this guy? Where do you go from here?" So it was little things like, "Ooh, let's put the suicide note on a envelope." With a funny message written. With a funny message. We didn't know how funny that was -- and then that was a great thing. Mike Ryan is senior writer for Huffington Post Entertainment. You can contact him directly on Twitter. Also on HuffPost: Loading Slideshow Aubrey Plaza Aubrey Plaza, a cast member in "Life After Beth," is interviewed at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Glenn Close, Flea Cast member Glenn Close speaks with reporters as fellow cast member Flea, rear, of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, is also interviewed at the premiere of the film "Low Down" during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Danny Moloshok/Invision/AP) Glenn Close, Amy-Jo Albany Cast member Glenn Close, left, and writer Amy-Jo Albany, right, pose at the premiere of the film "Low Down" during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah.
  • 4. (Photo by Danny Moloshok/Invision/AP) John C. Reilly John C. Reilly, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Aubrey Plaza, Dane DeHaan Aubrey Plaza, right, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses alongside fellow cast member Dane DeHaan, left, at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Paul Reiser Paul Reiser, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) John C. Reilly, Molly Shannon John C. Reilly, left, and Molly Shannon, cast members in "Life After Beth" pose together at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Aubrey Plaza Aubrey Plaza, a cast member in "Life After Beth" poses at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Dane DeHaan, Anna Wood Dane DeHaan, right, a cast member in "Life After Beth," poses with his wife, actress Anna Wood, at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Jeff Baena, Aubrey Plaza, Cheryl Hines, Matthew Gray Gubler Jeff Baena, left, writer/director of "Life After Beth," poses with cast members, from left, Aubrey Plaza, Cheryl Hines and Matthew Gray Gubler at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Aubrey Plaza Aubrey Plaza, a cast member in "Life After Beth," shows off her gloves at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Cheryl Hines Cheryl Hines, a cast member in "Life After Beth," poses at the premiere of the film at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP) Philip Seymour Hoffman Cast member Philip Seymour Hoffman poses at the premiere of the film "A Most Wanted Man" during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival, on Sunday, Jan. 19, 2014, in Park City, Utah. (Photo by Danny Moloshok/Invision/AP)
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  • 7. "Appropriate Behavior" Portraits - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19: (L-R) Actors Arian Moayed, Rebecca Henderson, and Halley Feiffer, and filmmaker Desiree Akhavan pose for a portrait during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival at the Getty Images Portrait Studio at the Village At The Lift on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Larry Busacca/Getty Images) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actors Lorelei Linklater, Ethan Hawke and Ellar Coltrane attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actors Ethan Hawke, Ellar Coltrane, Lorelei Linklater, Patricia Arquette and filmmaker Richard Linklater attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater (fashion detail) attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ellar Coltrane attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater and filmmaker Richard Linklater attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Lorelei Linklater attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival)
  • 8. "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actor Ethan Hawke attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actress Patricia Arquette attends the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actors Ethan Hawke and Ellar Coltrane attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:Actors Ellar Coltrane and Lorelei Linklater attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:(L-R) Executive producer John Sloss, producer Cathleen Sutherland, actors Ethan Hawke, Ellar Coltrane, Lorelei Linklater, Patricia Arquette, filmmaker Richard Linklater and executive producer Jonathan Sehring attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) "Boyhood" Premiere - Arrivals - 2014 Sundance Film Festival PARK CITY, UT - JANUARY 19:(L-R) Executive producer John Sloss, producer Cathleen Sutherland, actors Ethan Hawke, Ellar Coltrane, Lorelei Linklater, Patricia Arquette, filmmaker Richard Linklater and executive producer Jonathan Sehring attend the 'Boyhood' premiere at Eccles Center Theatre during the 2014 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, 2014 in Park City, Utah.(Photo by Jason Merritt/Getty Images for Sundance Film Festival) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/20/bill-hader-the-skeleton-twins_n_4631996.html