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Fluids and electrolytes Joel Topf, MD Nephrology Attending St. John Hospital
http:// PBFluids .com
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Question: What is 100%?
Answer: The percentage of hospital days that patients get electrolytes drawn
Question: What is 100%?
Fluids and electrolyte issues are ubiquitous The ability to screw up is ubiquitous 132 4.4 108 17 106 34 3.8
Fluids: Total body water
Ideal weight :  Females:  45 kg   Males:  50 kg Adjusted weight :  ideal weight  + 0.4 (actual body weight – ideal weight) +  2.3 kg for every inch over 5 feet
67% 28 L 25% 11 L 8% 3 L Blood volume = 5 L
Hemoconcentration ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Intravenous fluids Dextrose Saline Ringers Lactate Plasma expanders Crystalloids
Dextrose solutions ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Dextrose solutions ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],5000 mg/dL 180 mg/mmol 27.8 mmol/dL 10 dL/L 277 mmol/L
Saline  ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Lactated ringers ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Dextrose Saline Ringers Lactate Plasma expanders
Mr. Jones is down 1.9 L ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],23.75 liters
Mr. Jones is down 1.9 L ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],7.6 liters
Mr. Jones is down 1.9 L ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],1.9 liters
What type of IVF would you use? ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Bicarbonate drips ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
 
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Question: What is very few?
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Proper use of diuretics: Loops ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
 
Proper use of diuretics: Loops ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Loop diuretic resistance ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Loop diuretic resistance Situation Mechanism of diminished response Therapeutic response Renal failure Impaired delivery to tubular fluid Increased dose Nephrotic Syndrome Protein binding in the urine.  Sodium avid nephron Increased dose Heart Failure Sodium avid nephron Increased frequency Cirrhosis Sodium avid nephron Increased frequency
Furosemide drips ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Salvador DR, Rey NR, Ramos GC, Punzalan FE. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2004;(1):CD003178
Proper use of diuretics: Thiazides ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Electrolyte  Emergencies
Sodium is different ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
The movement of water in the body ,[object Object],intracellular compartment extracellular compartment
Why we care about osmolality ,[object Object]
Low sodium: hyponatremia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Pseudohyponatremia:  high osmolality ,[object Object],Hillier TA, Abbott RD, Barrett EJ. Am J Med 1999; 106: 399-403.
Pseudohyponatremia:  high osmolality ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Pseudohyponatremia:  Normal osmolality ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
True hyponatremia:  water intake > water excretion ,[object Object],[object Object]
 
 
True hyponatremia:  water intake > water excretion ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Urine Osmolality 50 1200 Healthy  Kidneys Concentrated urine Na + Dilute urine Na +
isosthenuria Urine Osmolality 50 1200 Healthy  Kidneys 150 900 Chronic Kidney Disease 600 900 Excess ADH:    • SIADH •  CHF •  Volume depletion 50 150 Absence of ADH: Diabetes insipidis 300 ESRD or acute renal failure
Concentrated urine Na + 600 900 Excess ADH:    • SIADH •  CHF •  Volume depletion
Etiology of Hyponatremia: 3 steps to generating dilute urine ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],1400 285 100 50
Failure to Generate dilute urine ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Failure to Generate dilute urine ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Failure to Generate dilute urine ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Implications of hyponatremia
Adrogué and Madias NEJM 2000;342:1581.
The response to hyponatremia Low sodium concentration causes water to move into the cells. In the brain this causes an increase in ICP. Compensated chronic hyponatremia is essentially asymptomatic.
The problem with compensation The starting point is after compensation has reduced the amount of intracellular solute and the ICP Now, an over-eager intern sees the low sodium and starts an infusion of 3% NaCl to raise the sodium to normal. Sodium 108 The sodium draws water from the inside of the cells causing the brain to shrivel. The problem with interns This causes osmotic brain damage. Central pontine myelinolysis. This is lethal. Sodium 134
Damned if you do. ,[object Object],[object Object],To treat or not to treat? That is the question. T. Berl Damned if you don’t.
Damned if you do. ,[object Object],[object Object],To treat or not to treat? That is the question. T. Berl Damned if you don’t.
Symptomatic vs. Asymptromatic ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Symptomatic vs. Asymptromatic ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],COMMON RARE
Clock and calendar are unreliable measures of chronicity
Chronic vs acute ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Early aggressive therapy Late aggressive therapy Conservative therapy Ayus JC, Arieff AI. JAMA 1999; 281: 2299-2304. Symptomatic  vs Asymptomatic
Conservative therapy for asymptomatic hyponatremia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Renneboog B, Musch W, Et al. Am J Med 2006; 119: 71 e1-8. 9.45 67.43
Renneboog B, Musch W, Et al. Am J Med 2006; 119: 71 e1-8.
Introducing the vaptans ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Conivaptan marketed as Vaprisol® ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
9%  of patients had overly rapid (>12 mmol/L in 24 hours)  correction of hyponatremia Potent CYP3A4 inhibitor: Caution with ketoconazole,  itraconazole, clarithromycin, ritonavir and indinavir Placebo  (n=21) Conivaptan 40mg/d (n=18) Baseline sodium  124.3 mmol/l 123.6 mmol/l Sodium at 48 hours 125.1 mmol/l 129.4 mmol/l Sodium at 96 hours 126.7 mmol/l 130.0 mmol/l Number with a Na rise  of ≥ 6 mmol/L at 48 hours 0 (0%) 7 (38.9%) Number with a Na rise  of ≥ 6 mmol/L at 96 hours 6 (28.6%) 12 (66.7%)
Conivaptan ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],JE Udelson, WB Smith, Et al. Circulation. 2001;104:2417.
Conivaptan ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
 
[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Sodium < 130 Sodium 130-134
Acute symptomatic hyponatremia ,[object Object],[object Object]
12 Increase Na 12 mmol/L in the first 24 hours. Increase Na 12 mmol/L in the first 24 hours.
Change in sodium formula: ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Change in sodium following one liter of any IVF. TBW = kg x 0.6 Na in 3% NaCl: 513 Na in 0.9% NaCl: 154 Na in 0.45% NaCl:   77 Na in 0.225% NaCl:   39 Adrogué and Madias NEJM 2000;342:1581.
Change in sodium formula: Examples ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Change in sodium formula: Limitations ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Mohmand HK, Issa D, Et al. Abstract ASN 2006 Adrogué and Madias NEJM 2000;342:1581. Change in sodium following one liter of any IVF. TBW = kg x 0.6 Na in 3% NaCl: 513 Na in 0.9% NaCl: 154 Na in 0.45% NaCl:   77 Na in 0.225% NaCl:   39
Fluids: Total body water
100 kg 70 kg Ideal weight : Females:  45 kg Males: 50 kg Adjusted weight : ideal weight  + 0.4 (actual body weight – ideal weight) +  2.3 kg for every inch over 5 feet 60% H 2 O 45% H 2 O
Hyponatremia summary ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Hypernatremia ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Causes of hypernatremia ,[object Object],[object Object],Generation ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],Maintenance ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Consequences and compensation
Treatment ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
[object Object],The amount of fluid ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]
Treatment ,[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object],[object Object]

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Fluids And Electrolytes July1

  • 2. Fluids and electrolytes Joel Topf, MD Nephrology Attending St. John Hospital
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  • 9. Fluids and electrolyte issues are ubiquitous The ability to screw up is ubiquitous 132 4.4 108 17 106 34 3.8
  • 11. Ideal weight : Females: 45 kg Males: 50 kg Adjusted weight : ideal weight + 0.4 (actual body weight – ideal weight) + 2.3 kg for every inch over 5 feet
  • 12. 67% 28 L 25% 11 L 8% 3 L Blood volume = 5 L
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  • 14. Intravenous fluids Dextrose Saline Ringers Lactate Plasma expanders Crystalloids
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  • 32. Loop diuretic resistance Situation Mechanism of diminished response Therapeutic response Renal failure Impaired delivery to tubular fluid Increased dose Nephrotic Syndrome Protein binding in the urine. Sodium avid nephron Increased dose Heart Failure Sodium avid nephron Increased frequency Cirrhosis Sodium avid nephron Increased frequency
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  • 47. Urine Osmolality 50 1200 Healthy Kidneys Concentrated urine Na + Dilute urine Na +
  • 48. isosthenuria Urine Osmolality 50 1200 Healthy Kidneys 150 900 Chronic Kidney Disease 600 900 Excess ADH: • SIADH • CHF • Volume depletion 50 150 Absence of ADH: Diabetes insipidis 300 ESRD or acute renal failure
  • 49. Concentrated urine Na + 600 900 Excess ADH: • SIADH • CHF • Volume depletion
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  • 55. Adrogué and Madias NEJM 2000;342:1581.
  • 56. The response to hyponatremia Low sodium concentration causes water to move into the cells. In the brain this causes an increase in ICP. Compensated chronic hyponatremia is essentially asymptomatic.
  • 57. The problem with compensation The starting point is after compensation has reduced the amount of intracellular solute and the ICP Now, an over-eager intern sees the low sodium and starts an infusion of 3% NaCl to raise the sodium to normal. Sodium 108 The sodium draws water from the inside of the cells causing the brain to shrivel. The problem with interns This causes osmotic brain damage. Central pontine myelinolysis. This is lethal. Sodium 134
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  • 62. Clock and calendar are unreliable measures of chronicity
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  • 66. Renneboog B, Musch W, Et al. Am J Med 2006; 119: 71 e1-8.
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  • 69. 9% of patients had overly rapid (>12 mmol/L in 24 hours) correction of hyponatremia Potent CYP3A4 inhibitor: Caution with ketoconazole, itraconazole, clarithromycin, ritonavir and indinavir Placebo (n=21) Conivaptan 40mg/d (n=18) Baseline sodium 124.3 mmol/l 123.6 mmol/l Sodium at 48 hours 125.1 mmol/l 129.4 mmol/l Sodium at 96 hours 126.7 mmol/l 130.0 mmol/l Number with a Na rise of ≥ 6 mmol/L at 48 hours 0 (0%) 7 (38.9%) Number with a Na rise of ≥ 6 mmol/L at 96 hours 6 (28.6%) 12 (66.7%)
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  • 76. 12 Increase Na 12 mmol/L in the first 24 hours. Increase Na 12 mmol/L in the first 24 hours.
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  • 81. 100 kg 70 kg Ideal weight : Females: 45 kg Males: 50 kg Adjusted weight : ideal weight + 0.4 (actual body weight – ideal weight) + 2.3 kg for every inch over 5 feet 60% H 2 O 45% H 2 O
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Editor's Notes

  1. Homer Smith is one of the pre-eminant evolutionary biologists of the 20th century. He did comparative biology on the kidney and elucidated much of basic renal physiology
  2. So a passing interest is more than just a good idea it is essential
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