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I’d	
  like	
  to	
  gear	
  my	
  talk	
  to	
  your	
  needs	
  -­‐	
  
2
3
Really	
  dreadful	
  defini=ons	
  out	
  there,	
  but	
  basically	
  it’s	
  Web	
  2.0	
  –	
  beyond	
  websites.	
  –	
  tech	
  and	
  interac=on
Merriam	
  Webster
Want	
  examples?	
  Here’s	
  a	
  funny	
  but	
  true	
  set	
  of	
  descrip=ons	
  by	
  channel:	
  hKp://www.urbandic=onary.com/define.php?
term=Social+Media
4
Social	
  media	
  is	
  NOT	
  an	
  online	
  brochure.	
  	
  
5
Go	
  here	
  to	
  watch	
  video	
  or	
  click	
  on	
  the	
  arrow	
  in	
  the	
  above	
  slide	
  (in	
  slideshow	
  mode)
hKp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TXD-­‐Uqx6_Wk
Think	
  it’s	
  just	
  youngsters?	
  From	
  aarp:
hKps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPN8MLCS57Y
Boomers	
  have	
  over	
  $3	
  trillion	
  in	
  disposable	
  income.
6
Source:	
  AARP	
  2012
7
A	
  good	
  general	
  rule	
  for	
  how	
  to	
  act	
  on	
  social	
  media	
  –	
  would	
  a	
  good	
  party	
  guest	
  do	
  this?
8
The	
  web	
  started	
  out	
  as	
  a	
  series	
  of	
  interconnected	
  bulle=n	
  boards;	
  now	
  it’s	
  a	
  complex	
  network	
  of	
  conversa=ons.	
  
Party	
  guest:	
  It’s	
  NOT	
  about	
  you.	
  	
  (goes	
  for	
  host	
  as	
  well)
9
Is	
  anyone	
  considering	
  doing	
  less	
  social	
  media	
  this	
  year?
Facebook	
  may	
  or	
  may	
  not	
  be	
  here	
  in	
  5	
  years;	
  something	
  will.	
  Resilience	
  and	
  measurement	
  are	
  key.
e.g.	
  of	
  MySpace
CHANGE	
  IS	
  THE	
  ONLY	
  CERTAINTY
10
S=ll	
  of	
  video	
  taken	
  w/Google	
  Glass	
  by	
  conductor	
  Cynthia	
  Johnston	
  Turner
hKps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smon-­‐nW7p9k
hKp://www.dailydot.com/technology/orchestra-­‐music-­‐google-­‐glass/
11
Different	
  channels	
  are	
  beKer	
  at	
  different	
  aspects
12
Paralysis	
  –	
  incremental	
  ac=on	
  –don’t	
  try	
  to	
  do	
  it	
  all
Control	
  	
  -­‐	
  Get	
  over	
  it
Resources	
  –	
  social	
  media	
  expense/resource	
  can	
  replace	
  ac=vi=es	
  you	
  were	
  doing	
  previously	
  but	
  which	
  are	
  not	
  returning	
  
as	
  well	
  as	
  they	
  used	
  to:	
  print	
  ads,	
  brochures,	
  maybe	
  even	
  email.
There’s	
  no	
  one	
  right	
  way	
  to	
  use	
  social	
  media.	
  	
  Your	
  community,	
  your	
  resources	
  –	
  exper=se	
  of	
  your	
  volunteers/staff,	
  
=me;	
  product,	
  your	
  mission	
  and	
  strategic	
  goals	
  will	
  dictate	
  different	
  ways	
  of	
  using	
  social	
  media.	
  Frankly	
  the	
  only	
  wrong	
  
way	
  is	
  to	
  pretend	
  you	
  don’t	
  need	
  it.
13
Low	
  impact	
  easy	
  to	
  do	
  –	
  this	
  is	
  a	
  good	
  approach	
  if	
  you	
  don’t	
  have	
  a	
  lot	
  of	
  resources	
  –	
  there	
  are	
  no	
  silver	
  bullets,	
  just	
  
layers	
  on	
  a	
  snowball
14
15
Photo	
  tweeted	
  by	
  NBC	
  News	
  comparing	
  the	
  scene	
  in	
  St.	
  Peter’s	
  Square	
  in	
  2005	
  vs	
  2013.
16
There	
  are	
  so	
  many	
  choices,	
  it’s	
  paralyzing.	
  This	
  is	
  a	
  lesson	
  for	
  us	
  in	
  our	
  own	
  marke=ng.
Let’s	
  break	
  it	
  down	
  a	
  bit.	
  First,	
  we’ll	
  look	
  at	
  channel	
  by	
  channel.
Who	
  uses	
  which	
  channels	
  (professionally)?	
  How	
  did	
  you	
  decided	
  which	
  to	
  use?	
  	
  Which	
  ones	
  are	
  the	
  most	
  useful	
  for	
  you?
17
Let’s	
  look	
  at	
  the	
  strengths	
  and	
  challenges	
  of	
  each.	
  AND	
  THERE	
  ARE	
  MORE!
Note:	
  2/3	
  of	
  companies	
  in	
  a	
  recent	
  survey	
  reported	
  geqng	
  new	
  customers	
  from	
  FB;	
  63%	
  from	
  a	
  company	
  blog;	
  53%	
  
from	
  TwiKer;	
  Linked	
  in	
  only	
  39%;	
  Liin	
  is	
  much	
  more	
  appropriate	
  for	
  B2B	
  orgs.	
  That	
  said,	
  spend	
  30	
  minutes	
  spiffing	
  up	
  
your	
  company	
  profile	
  and	
  get	
  your	
  ar=sts	
  and	
  board	
  to	
  add	
  it.	
  –	
  contact	
  point.
18
hKps://www.facebook.com/notes/up-­‐crea=ve-­‐inc/do-­‐you-­‐know-­‐whats-­‐up-­‐check-­‐out-­‐these-­‐2013-­‐social-­‐media-­‐
sta=s=cs/470970089631080
Look	
  at	
  all	
  the	
  elements	
  of	
  a	
  FB	
  page	
  –	
  how	
  to	
  op=mize?
19
The	
  Event	
  
20
21
Some	
  42%	
  of	
  Facebook	
  users	
  ages	
  18-­‐29	
  and	
  34%	
  of	
  those	
  ages	
  30-­‐49	
  say	
  that	
  the	
  =me	
  they	
  spend	
  on	
  Facebook	
  on	
  a	
  
typical	
  day	
  has	
  decreased	
  over	
  the	
  last	
  year	
  —	
  these	
  are	
  both	
  significantly	
  higher	
  than	
  the	
  23%	
  of	
  users	
  ages	
  	
  50	
  and	
  
older	
  who	
  report	
  decreased	
  Facebook	
  usage	
  over	
  the	
  same	
  =me	
  period.	
  (Pew)
Photo:	
  Jason	
  Scragz,	
  Flickr,	
  CC	
  license
22
But	
  there	
  are	
  s=ll	
  a	
  WHOLE	
  lot	
  of	
  people	
  on	
  FB
Note	
  Mark	
  Zuckerberg	
  wants	
  FB	
  to	
  be	
  the	
  way	
  people	
  use	
  the	
  internet	
  for	
  everything	
  –	
  he	
  is	
  working	
  toward	
  that.
hKp://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/09/10-­‐web-­‐sites-­‐most-­‐visited/1970835/
hKp://www.wired.com/2014/04/zuckerberg-­‐f8-­‐interview/
23
Consider:	
  =ming,	
  tone,	
  desired	
  effect.
IF	
  TIME:	
  In	
  groups:	
  jot	
  down	
  ideas	
  for	
  FB	
  or	
  TwiKer	
  post	
  topics	
  that	
  do	
  not	
  involve	
  directly	
  asking	
  people	
  to	
  buy	
  
anything/come	
  to	
  a	
  concert.	
  Come	
  up	
  with	
  as	
  many	
  as	
  possible	
  and	
  “filter”	
  later!
24
Source:	
  hKp://blog.getpostrocket.com/2012/09/infographic-­‐facebook-­‐edgerank-­‐101-­‐class-­‐is-­‐now-­‐in-­‐session/
hKp://www.cmo.com/content/dam/CMO_Other/Misc./2013CMOsGuideToSocialLandscape.pdf
25
Pin	
  (stay	
  at	
  top	
  for	
  7	
  days)
Highlight	
  (Star)	
  a	
  post	
  to	
  make	
  it	
  go	
  across	
  both	
  columns
26
Facebook	
  ad	
  offerings	
  are	
  changing	
  constantly	
  –	
  CHANGE	
  is	
  the	
  only	
  certainty	
  J
Note:	
  Google	
  CPC	
  ads’	
  Display	
  Network	
  can	
  be	
  effec=ve	
  at	
  reaching	
  audiences	
  who	
  may	
  not	
  be	
  aware	
  of	
  you.	
  	
  Our	
  ad	
  
has	
  generated	
  clicks	
  from	
  YT,	
  about.com,	
  pandora,	
  ny=mes.com,	
  and	
  especially	
  from	
  Gmail.
27
28
Sort	
  videos	
  by	
  popularity	
  to	
  see	
  what	
  gathers	
  interest	
  on	
  YT…
PS	
  –	
  what’s	
  wrong	
  with	
  this	
  picture?	
  Try	
  to	
  avoid	
  photos	
  of	
  empty	
  theaters!!
29
If	
  there	
  were	
  a	
  highway	
  where	
  you	
  knew	
  a	
  lot	
  of	
  classical	
  music	
  fans	
  were	
  always	
  driving	
  on,	
  you’d	
  want	
  a	
  presence	
  
there,	
  wouldn’t	
  you?	
  YT	
  is	
  that	
  highway.
YouTube	
  channel	
  home	
  page	
  	
  takes	
  dona=ons	
  j-­‐	
  nonprofits	
  can	
  apply	
  to	
  Google	
  Grants	
  and	
  get	
  a	
  free	
  “Donate”	
  buKon	
  
func=on	
  as	
  well	
  as	
  free	
  Google	
  Ads.
hKp://www.youtube.com/user/savethechildrenuk
30
TwiKer	
  is	
  good	
  for	
  a	
  lot	
  of	
  uses	
  –	
  last	
  minute	
  announcements	
  (traffic	
  reminders,	
  e.g.);	
  contests,	
  RTs	
  of	
  what	
  others	
  say	
  
about	
  you…
31
32
Use	
  hashtags;	
  be	
  =mely;	
  combine	
  tweets	
  and	
  RTs;	
  respond	
  and	
  ask…
Cross	
  promote-­‐	
  reuse	
  content	
  from	
  FB	
  or	
  your	
  blog,	
  e.g.
33
TwiKer	
  users	
  have	
  an	
  expecta=on	
  of	
  instant	
  customer	
  service	
  –	
  how	
  will	
  you	
  meet	
  that	
  need?
34
LinkedIn	
  can	
  be	
  useful	
  for	
  finding/aKrac=ng	
  new	
  board	
  members.
35
Women	
  5	
  =mes	
  more	
  likely	
  to	
  use	
  Pinterest	
  than	
  men;	
  48.7	
  million	
  users
36
37
While	
  1,467	
  Instagram	
  followers	
  ain’t	
  bad,	
  it’s	
  way	
  less	
  than	
  CSOs	
  TwiKer	
  (44,000)	
  or	
  FB	
  following	
  (133,000).	
  There	
  is	
  no	
  
Instagram	
  link	
  on	
  the	
  CSO	
  home	
  page.
38
So	
  there	
  are	
  a	
  lot	
  of	
  channels	
  out	
  there.	
  Once	
  you’ve	
  picked	
  where	
  you	
  are	
  going	
  to	
  be,	
  it’s	
  important	
  to	
  decide	
  what	
  
you	
  are	
  going	
  to	
  say.	
  Authen=c	
  engagement	
  is	
  key.
39
40
41
What	
  kinds	
  of	
  content	
  have	
  worked	
  for	
  you?
42
43
It’s	
  NOT	
  ALL	
  ABOUT	
  YOU!	
  You	
  exist	
  for	
  your	
  audience.	
  	
  What	
  do	
  they	
  need?	
  Marke=ng	
  is	
  about	
  crea=ng	
  rela=onships	
  
and	
  mee=ng	
  needs.	
  Social	
  Media	
  can	
  help.
44
Adapted	
  from	
  Boston	
  Globe	
  ar=cle:	
  hKp://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2012/11/25/one-­‐direc=on-­‐drew-­‐brees-­‐
social-­‐media-­‐goldmine-­‐for-­‐pepsi/6Z831RwgHuLKB9FipKvihP/story.html
hKp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdFHlMobwzQ
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46
This	
  is	
  a	
  screenshot	
  from	
  Hootsuite,	
  which	
  allows	
  you	
  to	
  manage	
  different	
  social	
  media	
  accounts	
  from	
  one	
  pla|orm.	
  
There	
  are	
  several	
  sm	
  management	
  packages	
  available	
  at	
  different	
  prices.	
  Others	
  include	
  SproutSocial,	
  Tweetdeck	
  ..	
  And?
47
hKp://mashable.com/2011/03/11/social-­‐media-­‐marke=ng-­‐chart/
48
Facebook	
  –	
  between	
  10	
  am	
  and	
  4pm	
  Monday	
  thru	
  Thursday.
Twi+er	
  –	
  between	
  1pm	
  and	
  3pm	
  Monday	
  thru	
  Thursday.
LinkedIn	
  –	
  focus	
  on	
  pos=ng	
  before	
  and	
  a}er	
  business	
  hours,	
  7	
  am	
  to	
  9	
  am	
  and	
  5pm	
  to	
  6pm	
  Tuesday	
  thru	
  Thursday.
Google+	
  –	
  9am	
  to	
  11am	
  on	
  workdays.
Pinterest	
  –	
  This	
  is	
  the	
  one	
  social	
  network	
  you	
  should	
  focus	
  on	
  pos=ng	
  during	
  weekday	
  evenings	
  and	
  on	
  the	
  weekends.	
  
specifically	
  2pm	
  to	
  4pm	
  and	
  8pm	
  to	
  1am	
  on	
  weekdays.	
  The	
  best	
  =me	
  to	
  pin	
  items	
  on	
  Pinterest	
  is	
  on	
  Saturday	
  morning.
Flickr	
  Anon	
  Acct.	
  free	
  to	
  use	
  CC	
  license
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55
Trend	
  over	
  =me	
  can	
  be	
  	
  more	
  important	
  than	
  compe=tor	
  comparison.	
  We	
  see	
  that	
  this	
  site	
  is	
  in	
  trouble…visits	
  are	
  
declining	
  year	
  over	
  year.
56
Which	
  content	
  pages	
  are	
  people	
  using?	
  Which	
  are	
  they	
  not?
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Nancy	
  Roberts,	
  nancy@leapingoKer.com
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Acso socmedia wkshop roberts notes

  • 1. 3:45  –  5pm 1 I’d  like  to  gear  my  talk  to  your  needs  -­‐   2 3 Really  dreadful  defini=ons  out  there,  but  basically  it’s  Web  2.0  –  beyond  websites.  –  tech  and  interac=on Merriam  Webster Want  examples?  Here’s  a  funny  but  true  set  of  descrip=ons  by  channel:  hKp://www.urbandic=onary.com/define.php? term=Social+Media 4 Social  media  is  NOT  an  online  brochure.     5
  • 2. Go  here  to  watch  video  or  click  on  the  arrow  in  the  above  slide  (in  slideshow  mode) hKp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TXD-­‐Uqx6_Wk Think  it’s  just  youngsters?  From  aarp: hKps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPN8MLCS57Y Boomers  have  over  $3  trillion  in  disposable  income. 6 Source:  AARP  2012 7 A  good  general  rule  for  how  to  act  on  social  media  –  would  a  good  party  guest  do  this? 8 The  web  started  out  as  a  series  of  interconnected  bulle=n  boards;  now  it’s  a  complex  network  of  conversa=ons.   Party  guest:  It’s  NOT  about  you.    (goes  for  host  as  well) 9 Is  anyone  considering  doing  less  social  media  this  year? Facebook  may  or  may  not  be  here  in  5  years;  something  will.  Resilience  and  measurement  are  key. e.g.  of  MySpace CHANGE  IS  THE  ONLY  CERTAINTY 10
  • 3. S=ll  of  video  taken  w/Google  Glass  by  conductor  Cynthia  Johnston  Turner hKps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smon-­‐nW7p9k hKp://www.dailydot.com/technology/orchestra-­‐music-­‐google-­‐glass/ 11 Different  channels  are  beKer  at  different  aspects 12 Paralysis  –  incremental  ac=on  –don’t  try  to  do  it  all Control    -­‐  Get  over  it Resources  –  social  media  expense/resource  can  replace  ac=vi=es  you  were  doing  previously  but  which  are  not  returning   as  well  as  they  used  to:  print  ads,  brochures,  maybe  even  email. There’s  no  one  right  way  to  use  social  media.    Your  community,  your  resources  –  exper=se  of  your  volunteers/staff,   =me;  product,  your  mission  and  strategic  goals  will  dictate  different  ways  of  using  social  media.  Frankly  the  only  wrong   way  is  to  pretend  you  don’t  need  it. 13 Low  impact  easy  to  do  –  this  is  a  good  approach  if  you  don’t  have  a  lot  of  resources  –  there  are  no  silver  bullets,  just   layers  on  a  snowball 14 15
  • 4. Photo  tweeted  by  NBC  News  comparing  the  scene  in  St.  Peter’s  Square  in  2005  vs  2013. 16 There  are  so  many  choices,  it’s  paralyzing.  This  is  a  lesson  for  us  in  our  own  marke=ng. Let’s  break  it  down  a  bit.  First,  we’ll  look  at  channel  by  channel. Who  uses  which  channels  (professionally)?  How  did  you  decided  which  to  use?    Which  ones  are  the  most  useful  for  you? 17 Let’s  look  at  the  strengths  and  challenges  of  each.  AND  THERE  ARE  MORE! Note:  2/3  of  companies  in  a  recent  survey  reported  geqng  new  customers  from  FB;  63%  from  a  company  blog;  53%   from  TwiKer;  Linked  in  only  39%;  Liin  is  much  more  appropriate  for  B2B  orgs.  That  said,  spend  30  minutes  spiffing  up   your  company  profile  and  get  your  ar=sts  and  board  to  add  it.  –  contact  point. 18 hKps://www.facebook.com/notes/up-­‐crea=ve-­‐inc/do-­‐you-­‐know-­‐whats-­‐up-­‐check-­‐out-­‐these-­‐2013-­‐social-­‐media-­‐ sta=s=cs/470970089631080 Look  at  all  the  elements  of  a  FB  page  –  how  to  op=mize? 19 The  Event   20
  • 5. 21 Some  42%  of  Facebook  users  ages  18-­‐29  and  34%  of  those  ages  30-­‐49  say  that  the  =me  they  spend  on  Facebook  on  a   typical  day  has  decreased  over  the  last  year  —  these  are  both  significantly  higher  than  the  23%  of  users  ages    50  and   older  who  report  decreased  Facebook  usage  over  the  same  =me  period.  (Pew) Photo:  Jason  Scragz,  Flickr,  CC  license 22 But  there  are  s=ll  a  WHOLE  lot  of  people  on  FB Note  Mark  Zuckerberg  wants  FB  to  be  the  way  people  use  the  internet  for  everything  –  he  is  working  toward  that. hKp://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/09/10-­‐web-­‐sites-­‐most-­‐visited/1970835/ hKp://www.wired.com/2014/04/zuckerberg-­‐f8-­‐interview/ 23 Consider:  =ming,  tone,  desired  effect. IF  TIME:  In  groups:  jot  down  ideas  for  FB  or  TwiKer  post  topics  that  do  not  involve  directly  asking  people  to  buy   anything/come  to  a  concert.  Come  up  with  as  many  as  possible  and  “filter”  later! 24 Source:  hKp://blog.getpostrocket.com/2012/09/infographic-­‐facebook-­‐edgerank-­‐101-­‐class-­‐is-­‐now-­‐in-­‐session/ hKp://www.cmo.com/content/dam/CMO_Other/Misc./2013CMOsGuideToSocialLandscape.pdf 25
  • 6. Pin  (stay  at  top  for  7  days) Highlight  (Star)  a  post  to  make  it  go  across  both  columns 26 Facebook  ad  offerings  are  changing  constantly  –  CHANGE  is  the  only  certainty  J Note:  Google  CPC  ads’  Display  Network  can  be  effec=ve  at  reaching  audiences  who  may  not  be  aware  of  you.    Our  ad   has  generated  clicks  from  YT,  about.com,  pandora,  ny=mes.com,  and  especially  from  Gmail. 27 28 Sort  videos  by  popularity  to  see  what  gathers  interest  on  YT… PS  –  what’s  wrong  with  this  picture?  Try  to  avoid  photos  of  empty  theaters!! 29 If  there  were  a  highway  where  you  knew  a  lot  of  classical  music  fans  were  always  driving  on,  you’d  want  a  presence   there,  wouldn’t  you?  YT  is  that  highway. YouTube  channel  home  page    takes  dona=ons  j-­‐  nonprofits  can  apply  to  Google  Grants  and  get  a  free  “Donate”  buKon   func=on  as  well  as  free  Google  Ads. hKp://www.youtube.com/user/savethechildrenuk 30
  • 7. TwiKer  is  good  for  a  lot  of  uses  –  last  minute  announcements  (traffic  reminders,  e.g.);  contests,  RTs  of  what  others  say   about  you… 31 32 Use  hashtags;  be  =mely;  combine  tweets  and  RTs;  respond  and  ask… Cross  promote-­‐  reuse  content  from  FB  or  your  blog,  e.g. 33 TwiKer  users  have  an  expecta=on  of  instant  customer  service  –  how  will  you  meet  that  need? 34 LinkedIn  can  be  useful  for  finding/aKrac=ng  new  board  members. 35
  • 8. Women  5  =mes  more  likely  to  use  Pinterest  than  men;  48.7  million  users 36 37 While  1,467  Instagram  followers  ain’t  bad,  it’s  way  less  than  CSOs  TwiKer  (44,000)  or  FB  following  (133,000).  There  is  no   Instagram  link  on  the  CSO  home  page. 38 So  there  are  a  lot  of  channels  out  there.  Once  you’ve  picked  where  you  are  going  to  be,  it’s  important  to  decide  what   you  are  going  to  say.  Authen=c  engagement  is  key. 39 40
  • 9. 41 What  kinds  of  content  have  worked  for  you? 42 43 It’s  NOT  ALL  ABOUT  YOU!  You  exist  for  your  audience.    What  do  they  need?  Marke=ng  is  about  crea=ng  rela=onships   and  mee=ng  needs.  Social  Media  can  help. 44 Adapted  from  Boston  Globe  ar=cle:  hKp://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2012/11/25/one-­‐direc=on-­‐drew-­‐brees-­‐ social-­‐media-­‐goldmine-­‐for-­‐pepsi/6Z831RwgHuLKB9FipKvihP/story.html hKp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdFHlMobwzQ 45
  • 10. 46 This  is  a  screenshot  from  Hootsuite,  which  allows  you  to  manage  different  social  media  accounts  from  one  pla|orm.   There  are  several  sm  management  packages  available  at  different  prices.  Others  include  SproutSocial,  Tweetdeck  ..  And? 47 hKp://mashable.com/2011/03/11/social-­‐media-­‐marke=ng-­‐chart/ 48 Facebook  –  between  10  am  and  4pm  Monday  thru  Thursday. Twi+er  –  between  1pm  and  3pm  Monday  thru  Thursday. LinkedIn  –  focus  on  pos=ng  before  and  a}er  business  hours,  7  am  to  9  am  and  5pm  to  6pm  Tuesday  thru  Thursday. Google+  –  9am  to  11am  on  workdays. Pinterest  –  This  is  the  one  social  network  you  should  focus  on  pos=ng  during  weekday  evenings  and  on  the  weekends.   specifically  2pm  to  4pm  and  8pm  to  1am  on  weekdays.  The  best  =me  to  pin  items  on  Pinterest  is  on  Saturday  morning. Flickr  Anon  Acct.  free  to  use  CC  license 49 50
  • 12. Trend  over  =me  can  be    more  important  than  compe=tor  comparison.  We  see  that  this  site  is  in  trouble…visits  are   declining  year  over  year. 56 Which  content  pages  are  people  using?  Which  are  they  not? 57 58 59 Nancy  Roberts,  nancy@leapingoKer.com 60