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The world outside
Plone
Mikko Ohtamaa
Plone Conference 2010
Agenda
• Joomla!
• Django
• Lessons to learn
Unfortunately
• No world
• No Drupal
• No Wordpress
• No $harepoint
The World Outside Plone
The World Outside Plone
Joomla!
The most popular CMS in the world
CMS is a thing allowing
you to edit your
website using your web
browser
• Open source
• Forked from Mambo (commercial)
2005
• Open Source Matters Inc.
• Runs on Linux+Apache+MySQL+PHP
Features
• Admin interface
• Article content
type
• WYSIWYG
editor
• Through-the-
web template
and CSS editor
• User manager
• Two-state
workflow
• Menu editor
• Plug-in manager
No-features
• No folders
• No permissions
• No sharing, roles
• No “you-name-it”
Demo
http://ploneconf2010.cloudaccess.net/
administrator
The World Outside Plone
The World Outside Plone
Core developers
Component
providers
Integrators
Site users
Hosting
The World Outside Plone
The World Outside Plone
“They could not stand
Joomla”
[20:25:50] x: moo: we moved
from Plone to Joomla. 3 years
on Plone with no hacks.
[20:26:04] x: Problem with
plone is no forums with email
support
Django
The web framework for perfectionists with
deadlines
Write web
applications
Pythonic way
You don’t need to know SQL
The World Outside Plone
Python
development
is fun
Python
development
is fun
Django
development
is fun
Python
development
is fun
Django
development
is fun
Plone
development
is not fun
Features
• Object-relation
mapper (Python
objects in SQL
database)
• Template
engine
• URL mapper
• Forms
• Admin interface
(automatic)
• User manager
• Applications
(extensions)
No-features
• No default templates (excl. admin)
• No viewlets
• No traversing (folders), no hierarchy
• No registration
Demo
Clear path to become a developer
TextTextTextText
High quality
reference manual
The World Outside Plone
“Plone for web sites,
Django for web
apps”
-Jazkarta
CMS on Django
• Lighting Fast CMS by Kai Diefenbach
• Django CMS by Divio
• Various others, especially in-house CMS solutions
Issues
• Heterogenous applications
• Subclassing / variations
• Extending admin interface
• Integration story (buildout is coming with Django
packages?)
Lessons leart
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunk/498668317 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose
Django developers 2010
Plone developers 2004
Django developers 2016
Plone developers 2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/postbear/3681945685 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose
Plone developers 2015
http://www.flickr.com/photos/limonada/14705232 - person in the picture is not related and the picture is only for descriptive purpose
Zope tools
are not fun
Reference
manuals rock
if someone in Plone community dares to say me
“Check it from the source code”...
Reference
manuals rock
if someone in Plone community dares to say me
“Check it from the source code”...
... I teach the person some Finnish
Revenue > support >
quality
Components rules
• http://linkedin.com/in/ohtis
• http://twitter.com/moo9000
See you on the
other side
http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydime/4671890983
Plone needs menu
manager

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