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Literature
Organized by Prof. MSc. Maura Xavier Garcia
Fire and ice
   By Robert Frost
          (1920)
epigragh
• The opening quote before a novel
• It creates the opening atmosphere into
  which we begin a story
• It serves as something to compare to the
  larger story
• For the novel Eclipse, Stephanie Meyer
  chose a poem by Robert Frost, entitled
  "Fire and Ice"
Some       say

the world
will end      Some say
In fire



          In fire
Some say
Some     Say



 In         ice
From what
I’ve tasted

 Of
 desire
I hold with those


Who
favor
fire
But if I had

         To perish
          twice
I think I know
Enough
of hate
To say that
For
destruction
Ice is also great


    And would
    suffice.
Fire and Ice
Some say the world will end in    1. What are the two things “some say”
fire,                                the world will end in, according to
Some say in ice.                     the speaker?
From what I’ve tasted of
desire                                a. Wind and fire
I hold with those who favor
fire.                                 b. Fire and Ice
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great                     2. What emotion does the poet
And would suffice.                   suggest that the two emotions
                                     have in common?

                                  a) Fire/ pain – ice/indifference
                                  b) Fire/desire – Ice/hate
Fire
associated with the sun and light
  –Purification
  –Destruction
  –Power
  –Passionate emotions: love, hate, rage, anger
  –Sexuality
Fire and Ice
Interpreting:
   • What does the poem suggest that the two emotions have in
     common?

      The poem suggests that both desire and hate are strong
   emotions that could bring destruction, sadness, devastation to
   the world.

   • What other kinds of destruction besides destruction of the
     world might the poem be about?

       Destruction of human lives, destruction of human
   relationship within others, destruction of the nature.
So why was this particular poem chosen to
          preface the story of Eclipse?
• The most obvious answer is in the title itself.
  The vampires of the book Eclipse are cold, and the
  werewolves are abnormally hot, so we are presented
  with two opposing forces that could easily be
  represented by fire and ice.
• It's not an easy choice that the story of Eclipse presents
  to Bella. To be with Edward, she must eventually die
  and become a vampire herself. To be with Jacob, she
  faces a temper that could kill her, or the possibility of
  Jacob's imprinting on another woman and forgetting
  her entirely. Her life and possibly her heart are in
  danger with both men.
• The beginning of “Eclipse,” the third episode of
  “The Twilight Saga,” finds Bella and Edward
  (Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson, of course)
  cuddling passionately — though chastely, of course
  — in a meadow full of wildflowers. The day is just
  sunny enough to bring out the frosty sparkle in
  Edward’s skin, but not bright enough to kill either
  him or the brooding, minor-key mood. Bella is
  reciting Robert Frost’s poem “Fire and Ice,” about
  competing notions of how the world will end.
  Supposedly it’s for an English paper, but who is
  Bella kidding? “From what I’ve tasted of desire,”
  she intones, “I hold with those who favor fire.”
So why was this particular poem chosen to
             preface the story of Eclipse?
• In the poem, Frost links "fire" with desire.
• Jacob desires Bella. He can't let go of Bella, any more than
  she can let go of him. In fact, they are linked emotionally and
  physically, since she depends on both the Cullen vampire clan
  as well as Jacob's Quileute tribe of shape-shifting wolves to
  keep her safe from the threat of the vampiress Victoria, who
  is bent on killing Bella to revenge herself on Edward for the
  death of her mate James in "Twilight".
• Victoria's army of newborns could be represented by the
  hatred that Robert Frost links to the destructive power of
  ice. Victoria hates Edward and Bella, and creates a powerful
  army of newborn vampires, strong and dangerous, to kill
  Bella, as well as any other creatures that may stand in their
  way.
So why was this particular poem chosen to
                   preface the story of Eclipse?
•   A third element of ice near the end of Eclipse is the Volturi, who decide to check up on the
    Cullens and their promise to change Bella. They are pacified for the time being, with the
    knowledge that Victoria and her newborn army have been defeated, and punctuate their
    visit with the threat of further violence against the Cullens if they choose to ignore the
    Volturi - with the violent end of the newborn vampire Bree who surrendered, but was killed
    regardless. Frost speaks in his poem about the world perishing twice, and seems very
    fitting when we consider the two violent icy forces coming at Bella to end her
    existence, driven by jealousy or hatred, and both forces thwarted by her protective
    extended family of vampires and werewolves.
•   Bella is the catalyst that draws together the explosive forces of fire and ice, and holds them
    uncomfortably close together in a shared goal, forcing natural enemies to cooperate and
    build bonds of their own, and to fight against their own kind in the name of protecting those
    they love. Frost's comparison of fire and ice and how the world will end is an appropriate
    backdrop for the story of Eclipse in the Twilight Saga of books. The great tension of the
    story is not only how they must fight for Bella, but how they must guard against their own
    natural inclinations and prejudices in the process.

•   http://voices.yahoo.com/the-poetry-twilight-saga-eclipse-robert-6449000.html
Stephenie Meyer
• graduated from Brigham Young University
  with a bachelor's degree in English.
• She lives with her husband and three young
  sons in Phoenix, Arizona.
• After the publication of her first
  novel, Twilight, booksellers chose Stephenie
  Meyer as one of the "most promising new
  authors of 2005" (Publishers Weekly).
Masterpieces:
The Road Not Taken
Fire and Ice
Stopping by Woods on a
Snowy Evening
Robert Frost was an American poet who lived at
 the turn of the 19th century. "Fire and Ice" was
             first published in 1920.
  • Robert Lee Frost was born March 26,1874 in San
    Francisco, California and lived there until he was 11 years old.




                          Frost wrote about the natural world, and also about his
                          struggle to raise a family in depression times.


                          Robert Frost died on January 29, 1963 at
                          the age of 88.
                          He died in Boston, Massachusetts, in
                          the United States.
Background to Robert Frost

American poet

Write deceptively simple verse but
with subtle and profound thoughts
and feelings

Teacher and a farmer

Symbolism from the countryside of
New England

Focuses mainly on relationship
between man and nature – usually at
odds with one another – man will
never really be able to understand
nature

Won the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry four
times
Robert Lee Frost
March 26, 1874 – January 29, 1963




The Road Not Taken (1916)
The Road not Taken

TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,

And sorry I could not travel both

And be one traveler, long I stood

And looked down one as far as I could

To where it bent in the undergrowth;    5
Then took the other, as just as fair,

And having perhaps the better claim,

Because it was grassy and wanted wear;

Though as for that the passing there

Had worn them really about the same, 10
And both that morning equally lay

In leaves no step had trodden black.

Oh, I kept the first for another day!

Yet knowing how way leads on to way,

I doubted if I should ever come back.   15
I shall be telling this with a sigh

Somewhere ages and ages hence:

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—

I took the one less traveled by,

And that has made all the difference.   20
yellow wood                leaves turn yellow in autumn

fair                       beautiful

claim                      argument

grassy and wanted wear     overgrown and unused
                           the number of people who had taken
the passing there          that road

no step had trodden back   stepping on leaves they turn black

ages and ages              a very long time
• And I was sorry that I could not take both
• And sorry I could not take both
• And I was one traveller, I stood for a long time
• And be one traveller, long I stood
• Then I took the other which was just as fair and it
  had the better claim
• Then took the other, as just as fair and having
  perhaps the better claim
• Because I knew how way leads on to way I doubted
  if I would ever come back
• Yet knowing how way leads on to way I doubted if
  I should ever come back.
Discussion
• Do you like the poem?
• Many people in America consider this their favorite
  poem. Why do you think so?
• A moral is something that you can learn from a
  story, a poem or an experience. Does this poem
  have a moral?
• Think of some major decisions a person makes in
  their life. Have you had to make any major
  decisions? Did you take the road less traveled by?
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that, the passing there
Had worn them really about the same.
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
system of systems
one                    two

one person             has two choices
travel /being a traveller
two roads diverge
a yellow wood

What are possible connotations of
travel –roads –wood ?
How does he reach his decision?


Which words evoke his emotions?


Was the decision difficult?
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could

To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;

Though as for that, the passing there
Had worn them really about the same.
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
• Look at the words in red and try to find the
  common denominator, we can establish that
  the speaker spent some time trying to make
  up his mind (long I stood) and that he
  underwent a process of considering the pros
  and cons.
• The decision was hard because there was
  really wasn't much to choose between the
  two roads. They both attracted him but the
  (later) "less travelled by" road was the one he
  chose.
Universal Themes

Traveling –
The idea of man “traveling” through life which is
a series of roads and crossroads.
People make decisions along the way which may
be very difficult.
One can never see into the future (“the bend in
the road” “the undergrowth”)
The decisions are irreversible (“way leads on to
way…”)
Robert Frost on his own poetry:
"One stanza of 'The Road Not Taken' was written while I
was sitting on a sofa in the middle of England: Was found
three or four years later, and I couldn't bear not to finish
it. I wasn't thinking about myself there, but about a friend
who had gone off to war, a person who, whichever road
he went, would be sorry he didn't go the other. He was
hard on himself that way."
Bread Loaf Writers' Conference, 23 Aug. 1953

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Literature

  • 1. Literature Organized by Prof. MSc. Maura Xavier Garcia
  • 2.
  • 3.
  • 4.
  • 5. Fire and ice By Robert Frost (1920)
  • 6. epigragh • The opening quote before a novel • It creates the opening atmosphere into which we begin a story • It serves as something to compare to the larger story • For the novel Eclipse, Stephanie Meyer chose a poem by Robert Frost, entitled "Fire and Ice"
  • 7. Some say the world will end Some say
  • 8. In fire In fire
  • 9. Some say Some Say In ice
  • 11. I hold with those Who favor fire
  • 12. But if I had To perish twice
  • 13. I think I know Enough of hate
  • 15. Ice is also great And would suffice.
  • 16. Fire and Ice Some say the world will end in 1. What are the two things “some say” fire, the world will end in, according to Some say in ice. the speaker? From what I’ve tasted of desire a. Wind and fire I hold with those who favor fire. b. Fire and Ice But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate To say that for destruction ice Is also great 2. What emotion does the poet And would suffice. suggest that the two emotions have in common? a) Fire/ pain – ice/indifference b) Fire/desire – Ice/hate
  • 17. Fire associated with the sun and light –Purification –Destruction –Power –Passionate emotions: love, hate, rage, anger –Sexuality
  • 18. Fire and Ice Interpreting: • What does the poem suggest that the two emotions have in common? The poem suggests that both desire and hate are strong emotions that could bring destruction, sadness, devastation to the world. • What other kinds of destruction besides destruction of the world might the poem be about? Destruction of human lives, destruction of human relationship within others, destruction of the nature.
  • 19. So why was this particular poem chosen to preface the story of Eclipse? • The most obvious answer is in the title itself. The vampires of the book Eclipse are cold, and the werewolves are abnormally hot, so we are presented with two opposing forces that could easily be represented by fire and ice. • It's not an easy choice that the story of Eclipse presents to Bella. To be with Edward, she must eventually die and become a vampire herself. To be with Jacob, she faces a temper that could kill her, or the possibility of Jacob's imprinting on another woman and forgetting her entirely. Her life and possibly her heart are in danger with both men.
  • 20. • The beginning of “Eclipse,” the third episode of “The Twilight Saga,” finds Bella and Edward (Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson, of course) cuddling passionately — though chastely, of course — in a meadow full of wildflowers. The day is just sunny enough to bring out the frosty sparkle in Edward’s skin, but not bright enough to kill either him or the brooding, minor-key mood. Bella is reciting Robert Frost’s poem “Fire and Ice,” about competing notions of how the world will end. Supposedly it’s for an English paper, but who is Bella kidding? “From what I’ve tasted of desire,” she intones, “I hold with those who favor fire.”
  • 21. So why was this particular poem chosen to preface the story of Eclipse? • In the poem, Frost links "fire" with desire. • Jacob desires Bella. He can't let go of Bella, any more than she can let go of him. In fact, they are linked emotionally and physically, since she depends on both the Cullen vampire clan as well as Jacob's Quileute tribe of shape-shifting wolves to keep her safe from the threat of the vampiress Victoria, who is bent on killing Bella to revenge herself on Edward for the death of her mate James in "Twilight". • Victoria's army of newborns could be represented by the hatred that Robert Frost links to the destructive power of ice. Victoria hates Edward and Bella, and creates a powerful army of newborn vampires, strong and dangerous, to kill Bella, as well as any other creatures that may stand in their way.
  • 22. So why was this particular poem chosen to preface the story of Eclipse? • A third element of ice near the end of Eclipse is the Volturi, who decide to check up on the Cullens and their promise to change Bella. They are pacified for the time being, with the knowledge that Victoria and her newborn army have been defeated, and punctuate their visit with the threat of further violence against the Cullens if they choose to ignore the Volturi - with the violent end of the newborn vampire Bree who surrendered, but was killed regardless. Frost speaks in his poem about the world perishing twice, and seems very fitting when we consider the two violent icy forces coming at Bella to end her existence, driven by jealousy or hatred, and both forces thwarted by her protective extended family of vampires and werewolves. • Bella is the catalyst that draws together the explosive forces of fire and ice, and holds them uncomfortably close together in a shared goal, forcing natural enemies to cooperate and build bonds of their own, and to fight against their own kind in the name of protecting those they love. Frost's comparison of fire and ice and how the world will end is an appropriate backdrop for the story of Eclipse in the Twilight Saga of books. The great tension of the story is not only how they must fight for Bella, but how they must guard against their own natural inclinations and prejudices in the process. • http://voices.yahoo.com/the-poetry-twilight-saga-eclipse-robert-6449000.html
  • 23. Stephenie Meyer • graduated from Brigham Young University with a bachelor's degree in English. • She lives with her husband and three young sons in Phoenix, Arizona. • After the publication of her first novel, Twilight, booksellers chose Stephenie Meyer as one of the "most promising new authors of 2005" (Publishers Weekly).
  • 24. Masterpieces: The Road Not Taken Fire and Ice Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
  • 25. Robert Frost was an American poet who lived at the turn of the 19th century. "Fire and Ice" was first published in 1920. • Robert Lee Frost was born March 26,1874 in San Francisco, California and lived there until he was 11 years old. Frost wrote about the natural world, and also about his struggle to raise a family in depression times. Robert Frost died on January 29, 1963 at the age of 88. He died in Boston, Massachusetts, in the United States.
  • 26. Background to Robert Frost American poet Write deceptively simple verse but with subtle and profound thoughts and feelings Teacher and a farmer Symbolism from the countryside of New England Focuses mainly on relationship between man and nature – usually at odds with one another – man will never really be able to understand nature Won the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry four times
  • 27. Robert Lee Frost March 26, 1874 – January 29, 1963 The Road Not Taken (1916)
  • 28. The Road not Taken TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; 5
  • 29. Then took the other, as just as fair, And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that the passing there Had worn them really about the same, 10
  • 30. And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. 15
  • 31. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. 20
  • 32. yellow wood leaves turn yellow in autumn fair beautiful claim argument grassy and wanted wear overgrown and unused the number of people who had taken the passing there that road no step had trodden back stepping on leaves they turn black ages and ages a very long time
  • 33. • And I was sorry that I could not take both • And sorry I could not take both • And I was one traveller, I stood for a long time • And be one traveller, long I stood • Then I took the other which was just as fair and it had the better claim • Then took the other, as just as fair and having perhaps the better claim • Because I knew how way leads on to way I doubted if I would ever come back • Yet knowing how way leads on to way I doubted if I should ever come back.
  • 34. Discussion • Do you like the poem? • Many people in America consider this their favorite poem. Why do you think so? • A moral is something that you can learn from a story, a poem or an experience. Does this poem have a moral? • Think of some major decisions a person makes in their life. Have you had to make any major decisions? Did you take the road less traveled by?
  • 35. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that, the passing there Had worn them really about the same. And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.
  • 36. system of systems one two one person has two choices
  • 37. travel /being a traveller two roads diverge a yellow wood What are possible connotations of travel –roads –wood ?
  • 38. How does he reach his decision? Which words evoke his emotions? Was the decision difficult?
  • 39. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair
  • 40. And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that, the passing there Had worn them really about the same. And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black.
  • 41. • Look at the words in red and try to find the common denominator, we can establish that the speaker spent some time trying to make up his mind (long I stood) and that he underwent a process of considering the pros and cons. • The decision was hard because there was really wasn't much to choose between the two roads. They both attracted him but the (later) "less travelled by" road was the one he chose.
  • 42. Universal Themes Traveling – The idea of man “traveling” through life which is a series of roads and crossroads. People make decisions along the way which may be very difficult. One can never see into the future (“the bend in the road” “the undergrowth”) The decisions are irreversible (“way leads on to way…”)
  • 43. Robert Frost on his own poetry: "One stanza of 'The Road Not Taken' was written while I was sitting on a sofa in the middle of England: Was found three or four years later, and I couldn't bear not to finish it. I wasn't thinking about myself there, but about a friend who had gone off to war, a person who, whichever road he went, would be sorry he didn't go the other. He was hard on himself that way." Bread Loaf Writers' Conference, 23 Aug. 1953