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Natural Wine
    Discussion Panel

    Dr. Jamie Goode
       Virgile Joly
  Dr. Maurizio Ugliano
      Robert Joseph

moderated by Julia Sevenich
      Julia7ich.com
"the term ‘natural’ raises hackles because of the connotations
of the work; ie it implies that other wines are somehow UN-
natural, or generally worse or inferior (and not necessarily just
from a technical or tasting point of view).”
                                   Fabio Bartolomei Vinos Ambiz




“How can I list ‘natural’ wines? My customers will just ask
‘what about the rest of the wines you sell?”
                                     Max Margaritoff, Hawesko
                                    Leading German distributor
Just a few of my favourite
“unnatural” wines
“Natural” is a creepy marketing term
“Almost all the natural wines I’ve tasted have [the expression of grape and place]
marred by one fault or another”                                 David Gleave MW




                                                          Isabelle Legeron, RAW Wine Fair


                         Most people don’t actually “celebrate”
                         Epoisses. They hate it. They also prefer
                         non-cloudy apple juice
Classic (ancient) winemaking
        Lead      Concentrated must                         Honey
        Marble dust    Seawater          Herbs         Pine resin
   Conventional (non-”natural”) winemaking
Sugar           Chaptalisation – as found in almost all great old
                Bordeaux and Burgundy
Acid            As used in some great New World (and some Old
                World) wines

Water           Greeks thought undiluted wine was unhealthy

Sulphur         Used by Romans and legal in Germany since 1487
                – and responsible for keeping this wine alive…
What is “Natural Wine”?

    • a category?
      • a fad?
   • a movement?
    • an illusion?
Dr. Jamie Goode

wineanorak.com
Natural wine

Does it need to be defined? No

It is an alignment of like-minded producers
drawn to a cause

Networks of relationship important: a
counterculture movement
Natural wine positives

Celebrating diversity and terroir

Interesting wines with personality and
often challenging flavours

Has influenced mainstream wine for the
better
Natural wine negatives

Briefing against mainstream wine

Process focused

The ‘naturalistas’
www.domainevirgilejoly.com
           @virgile_joly
www.facebook.com/DomaineVirgil.eJoly
A simple farmer
Only a few words of English
                 An artisan
Saint Saturnin - Terrasses du Larzac - Languedoc
Wine - a natural product!
                    OIV basic definition

Wine is the beverage resulting exclusively from the
partial or complete alcoholic fermentation of fresh
 grapes (whether crushed or not), or grape must.
PERMITTED INTERVENTIONS


  GRAPES
               PROTECTION
                             SO2

               CORRECTION
                             ACIDITY
                             SUGAR
                             ENZYMES

FERMENTATION
               ORIENTATION
                             YEAST
                             BACTERIA
                             FOOD

   AGEING
               PROTECTION
                             SO2
                             WOOD

   BOTTLING
               PROTECTION
                             SO2
               CORRECTION
                             ACIDITY
                             SUGAR
• wild yeast
• cultivated   • wild yeast
                              • no acid
  yeast        • acid
                                correction
• acid         • SO2
                              • low SO2
• SO2          • manual
                              • manual
• machine or     harvest
                                harvest
  manual       • -20% AOP
                              • manual press
  harvest        yield
                              • -40% AOP
• AOP yield
                                yield
Natural Wines

•   Expensive
•   Difficult to protect
•   Difficult to transport
•   Difficult to talk about
•   My bank manager doesn’t
    like them
WINE IS NATURAL
IT'S NOT MADE BY IDEALS, BUT BY WORK
   WINE IS FASHION AND LUXURY
Dr. Maurizio Ugliano

normacorc.com
Natural wines: the point of view of
                   wine bugs




                                                    Vinegar

Microbes (yeast and bacteria) are an intrinsic component of winemaking
But not all bugs are created equal: some are good, some are less good
SCENARIO 1                                                     Natural fermentation
                So all yeasts and bacteria are
                    by default ‘natural’?
                                                                        Well….
                                some yeast will participate. Very natural, not
                                necessarily the same wine all the time, not always
                                good wine



   SCENARIO 2

                                                                      Less ‘natural’ but
                                                                      more consistent

                                                                     Most likely a pretty
                                                                        good wine
Isolate the supposedly ‘good’            Use it to make wine        Too much ‘the same
  yeast and manufacture it
                                                                         wine’?
          industrially
SCENARIO 3
                                                             Happens in nature
                                                                randomly

                                                            Most likely a pretty
                                                               good wine

 Cross breed different yeasts to   Use it to make wine      Too much ‘the same
make a super-yeast; manufacture                                  wine’?
          it industrially

 SCENARIO 4

                                                         Probably not natural



  Genetically modified
                                                                 ?
         yeast
But why there is so much
interest in manufactring and
using commercial wine bugs if
     they exist in nature?        • Stuck fermentations
                                    • Acetic off-flavors
                                     • Brettanomyces
                                   • Reductive off-odors
             Well….
                                 • Higher risk of oxidation
                                • Too much batch to batch
                                          diversity
Making a ‘natural’ wine without these issues by
     means of ‘natural’ fermentation means
       eliminating the ‘bad’ yeasts, in situ


                                  X
           Natural fermentation


Use of sulfite is the most convenient way…. But not
                    so natural, huh?
A few thoughts by Robert Joseph
"the term ‘natural’ raises hackles because of the connotations
of the work; ie it implies that other wines are somehow UN-
natural, or generally worse or inferior (and not necessarily just
from a technical or tasting point of view).”
                                   Fabio Bartolomei Vinos Ambiz




“How can I list ‘natural’ wines? My customers will just ask
‘what about the rest of the wines you sell?”
                                     Max Margaritoff, Hawesko
                                    Leading German distributor
Just a few of my favourite
“unnatural” wines
“Natural” is a creepy marketing term
“Almost all the natural wines I’ve tasted have [the expression of grape and place]
marred by one fault or another”                                 David Gleave MW




                                                          Isabelle Legeron, RAW Wine Fair


                         Most people don’t actually “celebrate”
                         Epoisses. They hate it. They also prefer
                         non-cloudy apple juice
Classic (ancient) winemaking
        Lead      Concentrated must                         Honey
        Marble dust    Seawater          Herbs         Pine resin
   Conventional (non-”natural”) winemaking
Sugar           Chaptalisation – as found in almost all great old
                Bordeaux and Burgundy
Acid            As used in some great New World (and some Old
                World) wines

Water           Greeks thought undiluted wine was unhealthy

Sulphur         Used by Romans and legal in Germany since 1487
                – and responsible for keeping this wine alive…

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EWBC 2012 Izmir, Turkey Natural Wine Discussion Panel

  • 1. Natural Wine Discussion Panel Dr. Jamie Goode Virgile Joly Dr. Maurizio Ugliano Robert Joseph moderated by Julia Sevenich Julia7ich.com
  • 2.
  • 3. "the term ‘natural’ raises hackles because of the connotations of the work; ie it implies that other wines are somehow UN- natural, or generally worse or inferior (and not necessarily just from a technical or tasting point of view).” Fabio Bartolomei Vinos Ambiz “How can I list ‘natural’ wines? My customers will just ask ‘what about the rest of the wines you sell?” Max Margaritoff, Hawesko Leading German distributor
  • 4. Just a few of my favourite “unnatural” wines
  • 5. “Natural” is a creepy marketing term
  • 6. “Almost all the natural wines I’ve tasted have [the expression of grape and place] marred by one fault or another” David Gleave MW Isabelle Legeron, RAW Wine Fair Most people don’t actually “celebrate” Epoisses. They hate it. They also prefer non-cloudy apple juice
  • 7. Classic (ancient) winemaking Lead Concentrated must Honey Marble dust Seawater Herbs Pine resin Conventional (non-”natural”) winemaking Sugar Chaptalisation – as found in almost all great old Bordeaux and Burgundy Acid As used in some great New World (and some Old World) wines Water Greeks thought undiluted wine was unhealthy Sulphur Used by Romans and legal in Germany since 1487 – and responsible for keeping this wine alive…
  • 8. What is “Natural Wine”? • a category? • a fad? • a movement? • an illusion?
  • 10. Natural wine Does it need to be defined? No It is an alignment of like-minded producers drawn to a cause Networks of relationship important: a counterculture movement
  • 11. Natural wine positives Celebrating diversity and terroir Interesting wines with personality and often challenging flavours Has influenced mainstream wine for the better
  • 12. Natural wine negatives Briefing against mainstream wine Process focused The ‘naturalistas’
  • 13. www.domainevirgilejoly.com @virgile_joly www.facebook.com/DomaineVirgil.eJoly
  • 14. A simple farmer Only a few words of English An artisan
  • 15. Saint Saturnin - Terrasses du Larzac - Languedoc
  • 16. Wine - a natural product! OIV basic definition Wine is the beverage resulting exclusively from the partial or complete alcoholic fermentation of fresh grapes (whether crushed or not), or grape must.
  • 17. PERMITTED INTERVENTIONS GRAPES PROTECTION SO2 CORRECTION ACIDITY SUGAR ENZYMES FERMENTATION ORIENTATION YEAST BACTERIA FOOD AGEING PROTECTION SO2 WOOD BOTTLING PROTECTION SO2 CORRECTION ACIDITY SUGAR
  • 18. • wild yeast • cultivated • wild yeast • no acid yeast • acid correction • acid • SO2 • low SO2 • SO2 • manual • manual • machine or harvest harvest manual • -20% AOP • manual press harvest yield • -40% AOP • AOP yield yield
  • 19. Natural Wines • Expensive • Difficult to protect • Difficult to transport • Difficult to talk about • My bank manager doesn’t like them
  • 20. WINE IS NATURAL IT'S NOT MADE BY IDEALS, BUT BY WORK WINE IS FASHION AND LUXURY
  • 22. Natural wines: the point of view of wine bugs Vinegar Microbes (yeast and bacteria) are an intrinsic component of winemaking But not all bugs are created equal: some are good, some are less good
  • 23. SCENARIO 1 Natural fermentation So all yeasts and bacteria are by default ‘natural’? Well…. some yeast will participate. Very natural, not necessarily the same wine all the time, not always good wine SCENARIO 2 Less ‘natural’ but more consistent Most likely a pretty good wine Isolate the supposedly ‘good’ Use it to make wine Too much ‘the same yeast and manufacture it wine’? industrially
  • 24. SCENARIO 3 Happens in nature randomly Most likely a pretty good wine Cross breed different yeasts to Use it to make wine Too much ‘the same make a super-yeast; manufacture wine’? it industrially SCENARIO 4 Probably not natural Genetically modified ? yeast
  • 25. But why there is so much interest in manufactring and using commercial wine bugs if they exist in nature? • Stuck fermentations • Acetic off-flavors • Brettanomyces • Reductive off-odors Well…. • Higher risk of oxidation • Too much batch to batch diversity
  • 26. Making a ‘natural’ wine without these issues by means of ‘natural’ fermentation means eliminating the ‘bad’ yeasts, in situ X Natural fermentation Use of sulfite is the most convenient way…. But not so natural, huh?
  • 27. A few thoughts by Robert Joseph
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  • 29. "the term ‘natural’ raises hackles because of the connotations of the work; ie it implies that other wines are somehow UN- natural, or generally worse or inferior (and not necessarily just from a technical or tasting point of view).” Fabio Bartolomei Vinos Ambiz “How can I list ‘natural’ wines? My customers will just ask ‘what about the rest of the wines you sell?” Max Margaritoff, Hawesko Leading German distributor
  • 30. Just a few of my favourite “unnatural” wines
  • 31. “Natural” is a creepy marketing term
  • 32. “Almost all the natural wines I’ve tasted have [the expression of grape and place] marred by one fault or another” David Gleave MW Isabelle Legeron, RAW Wine Fair Most people don’t actually “celebrate” Epoisses. They hate it. They also prefer non-cloudy apple juice
  • 33. Classic (ancient) winemaking Lead Concentrated must Honey Marble dust Seawater Herbs Pine resin Conventional (non-”natural”) winemaking Sugar Chaptalisation – as found in almost all great old Bordeaux and Burgundy Acid As used in some great New World (and some Old World) wines Water Greeks thought undiluted wine was unhealthy Sulphur Used by Romans and legal in Germany since 1487 – and responsible for keeping this wine alive…