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“H.I.S.-tory”
by Vince Ciotti
© 2011 H.I.S. Professionals, LLC, all rights reserved
Episode # 23b:
Gerber
Alley,
Part III
David helping Goliath!?
• For these first 3 deals, G-A rode HP’s coattails as the HP 3000 gave
them an “alternative” (“Precision” one to be exact…) to the many
IBM mini systems from DCC, JS Data, First Coast, AR Mediquest…
• The fourth deal was a real whopper for upstart G-A:
–Hewlett-Packard themselves!
• It seems the HP team in
Andover learned that
software was driving most
of their HIS sales, so they
“partnered” with G-A
• (also since HBO had turn-
coated to DG minis for
their “Star” successor to
IFAS’ HP-3000 )
Big Brother…
• The deal gave HP the right to market GA’s “The Precision
Alternative,” very like SMS getting rights to sell HBO’s Med-Pro in
‘75 for their early “ACTIon” Four-Phase mini-based system.
• Brian Robson got the job of working with big brother in Mass:
– ”I was liason to HP for about a year to help bring them up to speed.
– Kinda funny since we were a company of around 25 employees at the time,
and HP's Healthcare group had about a 100 people...
– They sold some hospitals, but nothing like GA did...
– A few of their good folks ended up coming to GA later.”
• Among them, Mike Brown, who came to GA in
1985 and took over as CEO, taking care of the
business end so Terry could concentrate on R &
D
• As we mentioned earlier, poor Urban Gerber
passed away in 1984, too early to garner all the
accolades he deserves as the “father” of GA…
Big News in 80’s HIS Circles…
• As the 2-page ad spread below shows, the G-A & H-P alliance
made a big splash in HIT circles in the 1980s
– Rivaling IBM’s partnership with Baxter that had given birth to IBAX
• G-A was able to keep growing its single TPA product line much
faster than IBAX, adding some real shockers in the late 80s, like:
– Physician’s Division – not just 1500s, but clinical decision support!
– International Division – like SMS’ early forays into Japan back then…
Another Daring GA Move!
• This from another GA alumnus: Karl Kiss, VP at Siemens.
• Seems one of the many hot sales prospects for TPA was
Anaheim Memorial Hospital in California.
– As we explained in an earlier episode, hospitals in those days
were “IBM shops” or “DEC shops,” etc., as the OS and DB
systems were totally proprietary. No “open” Linux back then!
• Anaheim was a DEC shop and insisted on a
DEC platform, and to keep up their sales &
hot ride on Wall Street, GA made the
huge decision to offer TPA on DEC too!
• In truth, not a bad perspective from a
marketing standpoint, as hundreds of
hospitals were “DEC shops” with McAuto’s
I.H.S, SMS’ ACTIon 1000 series, etc.
HIS Market in the late 80s
• To give some idea of how G-A, H-P and DEC ranked in
these red-hot mini days, here’s fascinating stats from
a dusty old copy of Sheldon Dorenfest 1987 “Guide”
based on his survey of 3,000 hospitals >100 beds:
Hardware # of
Sites
IBM 1,358
D G 176
DEC 153
H-P 130
NCR 124
Saint 100
Burroughs 96
Microdata 45
Software Annual
Revenue
Software
(continued)
Annual
Revenue
SMS $365M PHS $27M
McAuto $165M CHC $25M
HBO $165M IHC $20M
Baxter $145M Sunquest $20M
TDS $40M Compucare $18M
Cerner $34M Gerber-Alley $16M
SAI $32M Ferranti $15M
Meditech $32M HDS $12M
Workaholism!
• This from David Wellons, a well-travelled HIS veteran:
– “My G-A story - I have worked for many HIS firms since 1984, so
I know/heard of a lot of these folk. I'm really enjoying your
series - but it's starting to make me feel old! (Welcome to the
club!) Flying home to ATL one evening - I'm guessing early '90s -
sitting next to a nice looking G-A sales person. When I found
out where she worked, I asked if she were heading home. She
said, ‘No, I live in Boston, but I have a proposal due and they
won't let us work on them during the week. I'm meeting the
proposal team in ATL for an all-weekend session so I can fly
home Sunday night to be back at work Monday.’
- I'd heard they really drove their team
hard, perhaps more so than similar firms.
Proposal teams worked the weekends in
support of the sales execs that flew in…”
Denouement…
• By 1992, GA had grown to over $90M in revenue and
900+ employees, but the bubble finally burst…
• Many people blame other people and various things for a
firm’s demise, but looking at HIS-tory overall, it just
doesn’t pay to go into a “who shot John…” - all vendors
rise and fall on their own individual roller coasters…
• The point is, vendors can and do fail as quickly as they
rise, something every hospital should always keep in mind
(as we’ve said, buy the product, not the firm!)
• GA ended up being bought by FDC,
formerly AMEX who had started with Saint,
then bought McAuto’s HSD, adding G-A,
• Only to be bought out themselves by HBOC…
GA’s Legacy
• An amazing ending anecdote from Karl Kiss:
– HBOC supported GA’s TPA for many years, just as
they did Saint, McAuto, etc, slowly selling the client
base on one of the many other HBOC products like
Star.
• Incredibly, parts of TPA still run today at
Gwinnett Medical Center in Georgia!
• Credit to HBOC (now McKesson) for giving
them such a long lease on TPA’s life…
• Which has been rewarded by Gwinnett being
one of the pilot sites for McKesson’s new
Horizon Enterprise Resource Management
(HERM), successor to Medipac/Healthquest
(another HIS-tory future episode!)
Final Image…
• A classic from Karen See:
• She wanted to capture the
admirable spirit of G-A folks
working late into the night…
• So she caught this image at
dusk for G-A’s 1990 annual
report, taken when most other
vendor’s staff had long left
their HQ offices for home
• (cause of many internal nasty-
grams like Neal’s at Cerner!)
• A fitting final image to the
wonderful G-A HIS-tory!
ThanksThanks for help on Gerber-Alley!
• Thanks again to the many G-A veterans who contributed:
– Brian Robson – whose emails told stories with tons of details on early GBA
and G-A days – the bulk of this episode! Brain’s now with HP – how ironic!!
– Karen See – G-A’s Marketing Director, who trusted me with precious
original ads & brochures, now with Clarity Close, her own vendor consulting
firm.
– Karl Kiss – 10th
person hired by G-A in 1984, filled my ears with great stories
– he’s now Siemens’ Southeast Regional VP – bet he tried to sell Gwinnett!
– Gary Lakin – with Microsoft in Australia hooked me up with G/A vets
– David Salazar – now VP at Merge, not “Gary” per my Part I episode – sorry!
– Mark Edelstein – 10th
employee in ‘84, now VP at Relay Health
– Brian Curnutt – corrected my “Irwin” boo-boo into “Urban!”
– David Wellons – relayed the weekend proposal story…
• Thanks also to many others who have sent in encouraging emails
on their HIS experiences. Keep those cards & letters coming in!
•

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23 b. gerber-alley_3

  • 1. “H.I.S.-tory” by Vince Ciotti © 2011 H.I.S. Professionals, LLC, all rights reserved Episode # 23b: Gerber Alley, Part III
  • 2. David helping Goliath!? • For these first 3 deals, G-A rode HP’s coattails as the HP 3000 gave them an “alternative” (“Precision” one to be exact…) to the many IBM mini systems from DCC, JS Data, First Coast, AR Mediquest… • The fourth deal was a real whopper for upstart G-A: –Hewlett-Packard themselves! • It seems the HP team in Andover learned that software was driving most of their HIS sales, so they “partnered” with G-A • (also since HBO had turn- coated to DG minis for their “Star” successor to IFAS’ HP-3000 )
  • 3. Big Brother… • The deal gave HP the right to market GA’s “The Precision Alternative,” very like SMS getting rights to sell HBO’s Med-Pro in ‘75 for their early “ACTIon” Four-Phase mini-based system. • Brian Robson got the job of working with big brother in Mass: – ”I was liason to HP for about a year to help bring them up to speed. – Kinda funny since we were a company of around 25 employees at the time, and HP's Healthcare group had about a 100 people... – They sold some hospitals, but nothing like GA did... – A few of their good folks ended up coming to GA later.” • Among them, Mike Brown, who came to GA in 1985 and took over as CEO, taking care of the business end so Terry could concentrate on R & D • As we mentioned earlier, poor Urban Gerber passed away in 1984, too early to garner all the accolades he deserves as the “father” of GA…
  • 4. Big News in 80’s HIS Circles… • As the 2-page ad spread below shows, the G-A & H-P alliance made a big splash in HIT circles in the 1980s – Rivaling IBM’s partnership with Baxter that had given birth to IBAX • G-A was able to keep growing its single TPA product line much faster than IBAX, adding some real shockers in the late 80s, like: – Physician’s Division – not just 1500s, but clinical decision support! – International Division – like SMS’ early forays into Japan back then…
  • 5. Another Daring GA Move! • This from another GA alumnus: Karl Kiss, VP at Siemens. • Seems one of the many hot sales prospects for TPA was Anaheim Memorial Hospital in California. – As we explained in an earlier episode, hospitals in those days were “IBM shops” or “DEC shops,” etc., as the OS and DB systems were totally proprietary. No “open” Linux back then! • Anaheim was a DEC shop and insisted on a DEC platform, and to keep up their sales & hot ride on Wall Street, GA made the huge decision to offer TPA on DEC too! • In truth, not a bad perspective from a marketing standpoint, as hundreds of hospitals were “DEC shops” with McAuto’s I.H.S, SMS’ ACTIon 1000 series, etc.
  • 6. HIS Market in the late 80s • To give some idea of how G-A, H-P and DEC ranked in these red-hot mini days, here’s fascinating stats from a dusty old copy of Sheldon Dorenfest 1987 “Guide” based on his survey of 3,000 hospitals >100 beds: Hardware # of Sites IBM 1,358 D G 176 DEC 153 H-P 130 NCR 124 Saint 100 Burroughs 96 Microdata 45 Software Annual Revenue Software (continued) Annual Revenue SMS $365M PHS $27M McAuto $165M CHC $25M HBO $165M IHC $20M Baxter $145M Sunquest $20M TDS $40M Compucare $18M Cerner $34M Gerber-Alley $16M SAI $32M Ferranti $15M Meditech $32M HDS $12M
  • 7. Workaholism! • This from David Wellons, a well-travelled HIS veteran: – “My G-A story - I have worked for many HIS firms since 1984, so I know/heard of a lot of these folk. I'm really enjoying your series - but it's starting to make me feel old! (Welcome to the club!) Flying home to ATL one evening - I'm guessing early '90s - sitting next to a nice looking G-A sales person. When I found out where she worked, I asked if she were heading home. She said, ‘No, I live in Boston, but I have a proposal due and they won't let us work on them during the week. I'm meeting the proposal team in ATL for an all-weekend session so I can fly home Sunday night to be back at work Monday.’ - I'd heard they really drove their team hard, perhaps more so than similar firms. Proposal teams worked the weekends in support of the sales execs that flew in…”
  • 8. Denouement… • By 1992, GA had grown to over $90M in revenue and 900+ employees, but the bubble finally burst… • Many people blame other people and various things for a firm’s demise, but looking at HIS-tory overall, it just doesn’t pay to go into a “who shot John…” - all vendors rise and fall on their own individual roller coasters… • The point is, vendors can and do fail as quickly as they rise, something every hospital should always keep in mind (as we’ve said, buy the product, not the firm!) • GA ended up being bought by FDC, formerly AMEX who had started with Saint, then bought McAuto’s HSD, adding G-A, • Only to be bought out themselves by HBOC…
  • 9. GA’s Legacy • An amazing ending anecdote from Karl Kiss: – HBOC supported GA’s TPA for many years, just as they did Saint, McAuto, etc, slowly selling the client base on one of the many other HBOC products like Star. • Incredibly, parts of TPA still run today at Gwinnett Medical Center in Georgia! • Credit to HBOC (now McKesson) for giving them such a long lease on TPA’s life… • Which has been rewarded by Gwinnett being one of the pilot sites for McKesson’s new Horizon Enterprise Resource Management (HERM), successor to Medipac/Healthquest (another HIS-tory future episode!)
  • 10. Final Image… • A classic from Karen See: • She wanted to capture the admirable spirit of G-A folks working late into the night… • So she caught this image at dusk for G-A’s 1990 annual report, taken when most other vendor’s staff had long left their HQ offices for home • (cause of many internal nasty- grams like Neal’s at Cerner!) • A fitting final image to the wonderful G-A HIS-tory!
  • 11. ThanksThanks for help on Gerber-Alley! • Thanks again to the many G-A veterans who contributed: – Brian Robson – whose emails told stories with tons of details on early GBA and G-A days – the bulk of this episode! Brain’s now with HP – how ironic!! – Karen See – G-A’s Marketing Director, who trusted me with precious original ads & brochures, now with Clarity Close, her own vendor consulting firm. – Karl Kiss – 10th person hired by G-A in 1984, filled my ears with great stories – he’s now Siemens’ Southeast Regional VP – bet he tried to sell Gwinnett! – Gary Lakin – with Microsoft in Australia hooked me up with G/A vets – David Salazar – now VP at Merge, not “Gary” per my Part I episode – sorry! – Mark Edelstein – 10th employee in ‘84, now VP at Relay Health – Brian Curnutt – corrected my “Irwin” boo-boo into “Urban!” – David Wellons – relayed the weekend proposal story… • Thanks also to many others who have sent in encouraging emails on their HIS experiences. Keep those cards & letters coming in! •