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The Sane Solution to
                             Sarbanes-Oxley Costs

                           Dwayne E. Jorgensen, CIA, CFE
                           Consultant, Sarbanes-Oxley Services
                                    & IT Governance



PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                    1           The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Who’s Watching the Store?


                                                                      Frequency
             Role              Responsibility
                                                         COSO          SOX 302                      SOX 404
                           Owner of internal
       Management          controls and ongoing        Ongoing         Quarterly                    Annually
                           monitoring

                           Validators independent of
       Internal
                           management, but part of     Periodically    Quarterly                    Annually
       auditors
                           company

       External            Validators independent of
                                                       Annually        Quarterly                    Annually
       auditors            company




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                           2                    The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Cost of SOX Implementation

          2005 SOX Expenditure by US firms: $6 Billion
                 Internal expenses: $2 Billion
                 Hardware/Software: $2 Billion
                 Consulting:        $2 Billion
          2006, 2007, etc. :         ???




       Source: Gartner
PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL               3         The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
So What’s a Corporation to Do?

          Continuous monitoring (CM) offers the only
          practical, cost-effective solution.
                 Build a system that provides a perpetual inventory
                 of governance
                 Leverage IT to maximize automation and reduce
                 staffing loads




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                 4             The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Proposed CM Solution Pyramid

                                         Oversight Component
                                         Oversight Component
                                             “Tone at the top”:
                                             “Tone at the top”:
                                    Executive buy-in, “spirit” vs. “letter”
                                    Executive buy-in, “spirit” vs. “letter”

                                          Planning Component
                                          Planning Component
                                            SOX methodology:
                                            SOX methodology:
                                       Assess, document, test, report
                                       Assess, document, test, report

                                       Co-sourcing component?
                                       Co-sourcing component?
                                        Independent IT test services
                                         Independent IT test services

                                          Software Component
                                          Software Component
                               Various vendor process automation products:
                                Various vendor process automation products:
                             Ex.: Documentum®,, Movaris OneClose®,, ACL CCM®
                             Ex.: Documentum® Movaris OneClose® ACL CCM®

                                  Hardware/Data Integrity Component
                                  Hardware/Data Integrity Component
                    EMC: Centera®,, Proofspace encryption, record management automation
                    EMC: Centera® Proofspace encryption, record management automation




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                                5                     The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
CM Solution Requirements


                Tool or process
                    needed
                  (examples          Resources
                     only):           needed

           One Close®                                                        Monitoring

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           Documentum®                                     W/      Information & Communication
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                                             op




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           Organizational
                                                                         Control Environment
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           Consulting




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                                             6                  The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Key Recommendation

          Validate methodology through execution on a pilot
          process (assess, document, and test)
          Remediate consistently and constantly
          Work with external auditor to ensure approach is
          satisfactory via a full trial on a key process before
          rollout




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL            7            The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Internal Control Maturity Model

                               Initial        Repeatable       Defined       Managed       Optimizing




                     Initial         Control structure is not defined. Control occurs incidentally.

                     Repeatable      Control structure is not defined, but control processes may occur
                                     based on past success and management oversight.

                     Defined         Control structure is documented, standardized and integrated into
                                     control processes for the organization.

                     Managed         The control process is regularly assessed and tested. Detailed
                                     measures of the control process are collected and reported.

                     Optimizing      Continuous process improvement is enabled by quantitative
                                     feedback from the control process.


                      Predictability, effectiveness and efficiency of an organization's
                      internal controls improve as the organization moves through these five stages.



PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                                         8                          The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
COSO-Driven Methodology: Assess

           ASSESS
           ASSESS          DOCUMENT        TEST        REPORT


                       Remediate
            Ongoing coordination between management,
                 external auditor, and consultant

                                                  Process                                        Outcomes


                                      Define overall SO requirements                  Management support
                   Form
                    Form              Identify and form team
                   team
                    team              Partner with external audit firm                Internal champion
                                                                                      Trained team
                                      Confirm audit universe
               Perform risk
               Perform risk           Define risk weighting                           Consensus on objectives
               assessment
                assessment            Conduct assessment                              Risk-ranked universe
                                                                                      The plan
                                      Analyze assessment results
                  Confirm
                  Confirm             Confirm risk rankings
                  results
                   results            Map to knowledge base of mitigating practices

                                      Present findings to management
                 Develop
                  Develop             Develop plan for documentation phase
                 work plan
                 work plan            Review plan with external auditor, management




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                                                  9                  The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
COSO-Driven Methodology: Document

            ASSESS     DOCUMENT
                       DOCUMENT         TEST       REPORT


                       Remediate
            Ongoing coordination between management,
                 external auditor, and consultant

                                               Process                                         Outcomes


                                   Define target maturity level by process             COSO maturity ranking
                   COSO
                    COSO           Assess COSO maturity by process
                 alignment
                  alignment                                                            Consensus on end state
                                   Identify where improvements are needed
                                                                                       Improved controls environment
                 Document
                 Document          Define control objectives
                                                                                       Ongoing monitoring
                  control
                   control         Determine tool approach
                 activities
                  activities       Map assessment to objectives and identify gaps      Documented controls

                                   Develop plan to address gaps with control changes
                 Improve
                  Improve          Assess and implement changes in controls
                 controls
                  controls         Test new processes and train users

                  Define
                  Define           Confirm the role of the internal audit department
                monitoring
                monitoring         Assess current monitoring environment
                 process
                 process           Implement monitoring process




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                                                10                    The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
COSO-Driven Methodology: Test

            ASSESS         DOCUMENT        TEST
                                           TEST       REPORT


                       Remediate
            Ongoing coordination between management,
                 external auditor, and consultant

                                                  Process                                           Outcomes


               Management
               Management             Educate management on controls                         Management control monitoring
                 controls
                  controls            Develop framework for management monitoring
                                                                                             Independent monitoring
                monitoring
                monitoring            Facilitate management monitoring of controls
                                                                                             Management reporting process
               Independent
                Independent           Develop framework for independent monitoring           Ongoing reporting
               internal audit
                internal audit        Facilitate independent monitoring of controls
                   Testing
                   Testing

                                      Identify weaknesses from management test
                 Material
                 Material             Develop action plan for weaknesses
              weakness plan
              weakness plan           Reiterate if necessary

                                      Implement process for ongoing quarterly reports
                 Ongoing
                  Ongoing             Define process for development of IC report
              report process
               report process         Partner with external auditor on report requirements




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                                                  11                       The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
COSO-Driven Methodology: Report

            ASSESS         DOCUMENT        TEST       REPORT
                                                      REPORT

                       Remediate
            Ongoing coordination between management,
                 external auditor, and consultant

                                                  Process                                        Outcomes


                                      Management reports on role in controls             Management report
               Management
               Management             Management reports on testing process
                 report
                  report                                                                 External audit report
                                      Management delivers final controls report
                                                                                         External assertion
                  External
                  External            External audit commences
                   audit
                    audit


                 External             External auditor tests controls per requirements
                  External
              control testing         External auditor reviews management report
               control testing
                                      External auditor issues final report

                 External
                  External
                  auditor
                   auditor            External auditor issues final assertion
                 assertion
                  assertion




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                                                    12                  The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Benefits/ROI

          ROIs are easily calculated, by the determination of
          FTE reduction due to PCAOB’s Standard II
          regarding the testing of automated controls once,
          versus reiterative testing necessary for manual
          controls.
          Secondary benefit, especially in the ability to store
          the results of continuous monitoring in an
          authenticated, digital format, should have a
          significant impact on future third-party litigation
          revolving around alleged misconduct by
          management, in proving the validity of the
          effectiveness of key control activities.
PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL            13           The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Questions?




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL       14       The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Thank You!




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL       15       The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
Contact Information

    Dwayne E. Jorgensen, CIA, CFE
                   Consultant
                   1851 Baltusrol Trail
                   Duluth, GA 30097
                   Office: 678/957-0838
                   Mobile: 770/789-7581
                   E-mail: ddawg1960@charter.net




PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL                   16      The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs

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The Sane Solution To Sox Costs

  • 1. The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs Dwayne E. Jorgensen, CIA, CFE Consultant, Sarbanes-Oxley Services & IT Governance PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 1 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 2. Who’s Watching the Store? Frequency Role Responsibility COSO SOX 302 SOX 404 Owner of internal Management controls and ongoing Ongoing Quarterly Annually monitoring Validators independent of Internal management, but part of Periodically Quarterly Annually auditors company External Validators independent of Annually Quarterly Annually auditors company PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 2 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 3. Cost of SOX Implementation 2005 SOX Expenditure by US firms: $6 Billion Internal expenses: $2 Billion Hardware/Software: $2 Billion Consulting: $2 Billion 2006, 2007, etc. : ??? Source: Gartner PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 3 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 4. So What’s a Corporation to Do? Continuous monitoring (CM) offers the only practical, cost-effective solution. Build a system that provides a perpetual inventory of governance Leverage IT to maximize automation and reduce staffing loads PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 4 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 5. Proposed CM Solution Pyramid Oversight Component Oversight Component “Tone at the top”: “Tone at the top”: Executive buy-in, “spirit” vs. “letter” Executive buy-in, “spirit” vs. “letter” Planning Component Planning Component SOX methodology: SOX methodology: Assess, document, test, report Assess, document, test, report Co-sourcing component? Co-sourcing component? Independent IT test services Independent IT test services Software Component Software Component Various vendor process automation products: Various vendor process automation products: Ex.: Documentum®,, Movaris OneClose®,, ACL CCM® Ex.: Documentum® Movaris OneClose® ACL CCM® Hardware/Data Integrity Component Hardware/Data Integrity Component EMC: Centera®,, Proofspace encryption, record management automation EMC: Centera® Proofspace encryption, record management automation PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 5 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 6. CM Solution Requirements Tool or process needed (examples Resources only): needed One Close® Monitoring ) SW Documentum® W/ Information & Communication (H ACL CCM/ gy Control Activities olo One Close® t.) hn gm , m le op Risk Assessment c Te One Close® Pe aff Organizational Control Environment (st Consulting PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 6 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 7. Key Recommendation Validate methodology through execution on a pilot process (assess, document, and test) Remediate consistently and constantly Work with external auditor to ensure approach is satisfactory via a full trial on a key process before rollout PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 7 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 8. Internal Control Maturity Model Initial Repeatable Defined Managed Optimizing Initial Control structure is not defined. Control occurs incidentally. Repeatable Control structure is not defined, but control processes may occur based on past success and management oversight. Defined Control structure is documented, standardized and integrated into control processes for the organization. Managed The control process is regularly assessed and tested. Detailed measures of the control process are collected and reported. Optimizing Continuous process improvement is enabled by quantitative feedback from the control process. Predictability, effectiveness and efficiency of an organization's internal controls improve as the organization moves through these five stages. PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 8 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 9. COSO-Driven Methodology: Assess ASSESS ASSESS DOCUMENT TEST REPORT Remediate Ongoing coordination between management, external auditor, and consultant Process Outcomes Define overall SO requirements Management support Form Form Identify and form team team team Partner with external audit firm Internal champion Trained team Confirm audit universe Perform risk Perform risk Define risk weighting Consensus on objectives assessment assessment Conduct assessment Risk-ranked universe The plan Analyze assessment results Confirm Confirm Confirm risk rankings results results Map to knowledge base of mitigating practices Present findings to management Develop Develop Develop plan for documentation phase work plan work plan Review plan with external auditor, management PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 9 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 10. COSO-Driven Methodology: Document ASSESS DOCUMENT DOCUMENT TEST REPORT Remediate Ongoing coordination between management, external auditor, and consultant Process Outcomes Define target maturity level by process COSO maturity ranking COSO COSO Assess COSO maturity by process alignment alignment Consensus on end state Identify where improvements are needed Improved controls environment Document Document Define control objectives Ongoing monitoring control control Determine tool approach activities activities Map assessment to objectives and identify gaps Documented controls Develop plan to address gaps with control changes Improve Improve Assess and implement changes in controls controls controls Test new processes and train users Define Define Confirm the role of the internal audit department monitoring monitoring Assess current monitoring environment process process Implement monitoring process PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 10 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 11. COSO-Driven Methodology: Test ASSESS DOCUMENT TEST TEST REPORT Remediate Ongoing coordination between management, external auditor, and consultant Process Outcomes Management Management Educate management on controls Management control monitoring controls controls Develop framework for management monitoring Independent monitoring monitoring monitoring Facilitate management monitoring of controls Management reporting process Independent Independent Develop framework for independent monitoring Ongoing reporting internal audit internal audit Facilitate independent monitoring of controls Testing Testing Identify weaknesses from management test Material Material Develop action plan for weaknesses weakness plan weakness plan Reiterate if necessary Implement process for ongoing quarterly reports Ongoing Ongoing Define process for development of IC report report process report process Partner with external auditor on report requirements PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 11 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 12. COSO-Driven Methodology: Report ASSESS DOCUMENT TEST REPORT REPORT Remediate Ongoing coordination between management, external auditor, and consultant Process Outcomes Management reports on role in controls Management report Management Management Management reports on testing process report report External audit report Management delivers final controls report External assertion External External External audit commences audit audit External External auditor tests controls per requirements External control testing External auditor reviews management report control testing External auditor issues final report External External auditor auditor External auditor issues final assertion assertion assertion PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 12 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 13. Benefits/ROI ROIs are easily calculated, by the determination of FTE reduction due to PCAOB’s Standard II regarding the testing of automated controls once, versus reiterative testing necessary for manual controls. Secondary benefit, especially in the ability to store the results of continuous monitoring in an authenticated, digital format, should have a significant impact on future third-party litigation revolving around alleged misconduct by management, in proving the validity of the effectiveness of key control activities. PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 13 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 14. Questions? PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 14 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 15. Thank You! PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 15 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs
  • 16. Contact Information Dwayne E. Jorgensen, CIA, CFE Consultant 1851 Baltusrol Trail Duluth, GA 30097 Office: 678/957-0838 Mobile: 770/789-7581 E-mail: ddawg1960@charter.net PROPRIETARY CONFIDENTIAL 16 The Sane Solution to Sarbanes-Oxley Costs