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What’s missing today is a
high-quality discourse on
rethinking the design and
evolution of the entire
system from scratch.



 The quality of results produced by any
      system depends on the quality of
awareness from which the people in the
      system operate. (Otto Scharmer)
Text




letting a new kind of Christian faith come
a new kind of
christianity:
ten questions that
are transforming the
faith
What are the questions?


1. The narrative question: What is the shape of the
biblical narrative? Storyline, plotline?


2. The authority question: What is the Bible, and
what is it for? How does it have authority?


3. The God question: Is God violent? Why does
God seem so violent and genocidal in so many
bible passages?
4. The Jesus Question: Who is Jesus, and
why does he matter?


5. The Gospel Question: What is the gospel
- a message of evacuation or
transformation? Exclusion or inclusion?
6. The church question: What do we
do about the church?


7. The sex question: Can we deal
with issues of sexuality without
fighting and dividing?


8. The future question: Can we find a
more hopeful vision of the future?
9. The pluralism question: How
should we relate to people of other
faiths?


10. The next step question: How can
we pursue this quest in humility,
love, and peace?
a new kind of christianity
Question 1:
What is the shape of the
biblical narrative?

              (A pre-critical question)
Eden                      Heaven



       Fall               Salvation


              History/
              The world
                                      Hell
Platonic Ideal                  Platonic Ideal



        Fall                    Atonement,
                                puriïŹcation
        Into
Aristotelian     Aristotelian
       Real
                 Real
                                              Hades
Pax Romana                 Pax Romana

                                  Civilization,
 Rebellion                       development,
       into                        colonialism
 barbarism    Barbarian/          assimilation
              pagan
              world
                               Destruction,
                               defeat
Is there an
alternative
understanding?
sdrawkcab gnidaer
Rick Warren, Billy Graham, Charles Finney, John Wesley (or Calvin), Luther,
Aquinas, Augustine, Paul, Jesus




reading forwards
Adam, Eve, Sarah, Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah, John the Baptist, Mary, Jesus
Exodus: Liberation & Formation
Exodus: Liberation & Formation



Genesis: Creation and Reconciliation
Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and
                 Mercy



        Exodus: Liberation & Formation



Genesis: Creation and Reconciliation
G
e
      Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and
n
      Mercy
e
s
i
s


    Exodus: Liberation & Formation
HUMAN DESTRUCTION
  G
  e
         Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and
  n
         Mercy
  e
      HUMAN VIOLENCE
  s
  i
  s   HUMAN EXPLOITATION

       Exodus: Liberation & Formation
HUMAN DESTRUCTION
  G
  e
         Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and
  n
         Mercy
  e
      HUMAN VIOLENCE
  s
  i
  s   HUMAN EXPLOITATION

       Exodus: Liberation & Formation
NOT the Lord’s Prayer:


     May we come to your kingdom
                     when we die.
     May we all go to heaven where,
      unlike earth, your will is done.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done on earth as it is in
                            heaven.
heaven


            self
                     church
                                 world



Self-enhancement in this life and the
next
heaven

world



        church


             self
God’s love, joy, peace,
            justice

world



        church


             self
Question 2
The authority question:
How does the Bible have authority?
Constitution?




                Library?
LEGAL CONSTITUTION          COMMUNITY LIBRARY

       Uniformity                 Diversity

     Preserve order           Preserve diversity

       agreement                  argument

enforcement of conformity   encouragement to risk
LEGAL CONSTITUTION          COMMUNITY LIBRARY

    Rules to live by          Stories to live by

      Submission                  Creativity

Analyze, interpret, argue   Enter, inhabit, practice

     amendments?              new acquisitions
Stories in conversation ...
             David, Goliath, and the Temple


                                  Two Arks


                   Pharoah, Hagar, Solomon


           Joshua, Jesus, and the Canaanites
NOT
     Inspired Constitution vs. Uninspired
                                  Library


                                    BUT
Inspired Constitution vs. Inspired Library
Question 3
God and violence
Question 3
God and violence


FLAT
DESCENDING
ASCENDING


                   TENT
Derek Flood graphically displays Paul’s edited quotation of Psalm 18:41-49 and
Deuteronomy 32:43 in Romans 15:8-10. Notice what Paul picks to retain and
what he chooses to reject:
 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant
of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm
the promises made to the patriarchs so that the
Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is
written: “I destroyed my foes. They cried for
help, but there was no one to save them—to the
LORD, but he did not answer
. He is the God
who avenges me, who puts the Gentiles under
me
. Therefore I will praise you among the
Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name.” (Ps.
18:41–49).
Again, it says, “Rejoice, O Gentiles,
with his people, for he will avenge the
blood of his servants; he will take
vengeance on his enemies and make
atonement for his land and
people.” (Deut. 32:43)
Flood concludes: “Paul is making a very
different point from the original intent of these
Psalms. In fact, he is making the opposite point
—we should not cry out for God’s wrath and
judgment [on the other], because we are all
sinners in need of mercy.” He concludes, “This
is not a case of careless out-of-context proof-
texting; it is an artful and deliberate reshaping of
these verses 
 from their original cry for divine
violence into a confession of universal
culpability that highlights our need for mercy.”
QUESTION 4: JESUS
who is he and why is he so important?




 Atonement theory and “vampire Christians”
                    Jesus: the Word of God
QUESTION 4: JESUS
who is he and why is he so important?




       IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD
  (LOGOS), AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD
    AND THE WORD WAS GOD ... THE WORD
    BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US.

                                  (JOHN 1)
rene girard
insights and contributions
- nonviolent theme in the Bible
- a narrative of evolution, emergence
- deconstruction of atonement theory
- uniqueness and universality of Christ
- proper apocalypticism
- a sense of what has gone wrong and why
- a sense of what is real and good, and why
If love and violence are incompatible, the deïŹnition of the
Logos must take this into account. The difference between
the Greek Logos and the Johannine Logos must be an
obvious one, which gets concealed only in the tortuous
complications of a type of thought that never succeeds in
ridding itself of its own violence. (270)
Behaving in a truly divine manner, on an earth still in the
clutches of violence, means not dominating humans, not
overwhelming them with supernatural power; it means not
terrifying and astonishing them in turn, through the sufferings
and blessings on can confer; it means not creating difference
between doubles and not taking part in their disputes. ‘God
is no respecter of persons.’ He makes no distinction
between ‘Greeks and Jews, men and women, etc.’ This can
look like complete indifference and can lead to the
conclusion that the all-powerful does not exist, so long as his
transcendence keeps him inïŹnitely far from us and our
violent undertakings. But the same characteristics are
revealed as a heroic and perfect love once this
transcendence becomes incarnate in a human being and
walks among men, to teach them about the true God and to
draw them closer to Him. (234)
There is no privileged stance from which absolute truth
can be discovered... That is why the Word that states itself
to be absolutely true never speaks except from the
position of a victim in the process of being expelled....
[F]or two thousand years this Word has been
misunderstood, despite the enormous amount of publicity
it has received. (435)
Jesus as the non-violent
           word of God.
   God with and for the
                   poor.
     God who cares for
               creation.
What are the questions?


1. The narrative question: What is the shape of the
biblical narrative? Storyline, plotline?


2. The authority question: What is the Bible, and
what is it for? How does it have authority?


3. The God question: Is God violent? Why does
God seem so violent and genocidal in so many
bible passages?
4. The Jesus Question: Who is Jesus, and
why does he matter?


5. The Gospel Question: What is the gospel
- a message of evacuation or
transformation? Exclusion or inclusion?
   - Reign, kingdom, economy, ecosystem,
         dance, friendship, network of God.
6. The church question: What do we
do about the church?
     - The church as school of Christ-
       likeness and love, training and
       deploying of love-peace-justice
                              activists.
7. The sex question: Can we deal
with issues of sexuality without
fighting and dividing?
        - Deeper issue: sexuality to
 embodiment to humanity to creation
8. The future question: Can we find a
more hopeful vision of the future?
- Evacuation plan to incarnation plan,
          a Participatory Eschatology
9. The pluralism question: How
should we relate to people of other
faiths?
   - Seeking a strong and benevolent
                    Christian identity
10. The next step question: How can
we pursue this quest in humility,
love, and peace?
 - Winning a hearing, not winning an
                          argument.
Ivan Illich (Austrian
        former priest,
  philosopher, social
   critic, 1926-2002)
Neither revolution nor reformation
can ultimately change a society,
rather you must tell a new powerful
tale, one so persuasive that it sweeps
away the old myths and becomes the
preferred story 


 one so inclusive that it gathers all the
bits of our past and our present into a
coherent whole, one that even shines
some light into the future so that we can
take the next step
. If you want to
change a society, then you have to tell an
alternative story.
  - attributed to Ivan Illich (Austrian former priest,
              philosopher, social critic, 1926-2002)
Something is on the way out and something
                   else is painfully being born.
       It is as if something were crumbling,
               decaying, and exhausting itself,
  while something else, still indistinct, were
                     arising from the rubble....
        We are in a phase when one age is
   succeeding another, when everything is
                                        possible.
               Vaclav Havel, “The New Measure of Man”
Fr. Vincent Donovan:
Do not leave others where
they are.
  Do not bring them to where
  you are, as beautiful as that
               place might be.
  Instead, go with them to a
new place neither you nor they
    have ever been before.
Go into all the world and proclaim the
gospel (the good, joyful, healing story)
to all creation.
                                    - Jesus
The Lord’s Prayer


1. Our Father above us
 and all around us 


2. May Your unspeakable
 Name be revered.
3. Now, here on earth
 may Your
 commonwealth come.

4. On earth as in
 heaven may Your will
 be done.
5. Give us today our
 bread for today.

4. Forgive us our
 wrongs as we forgive.
3. Lead us away from
 the perilous trial.

2. Liberate us from the
 evil.
1.For the kingdom is
 yours and yours alone.
2. The power is yours and
 yours alone.
3.The glory is yours and
 yours alone.
4.Now and forever, amen.
5. Now, here on earth may your
  commonwealth come.
4. Here on earth may your
  dreams come true.
3. Hallelujah
2. Hallelujah
1. Amen.
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Rethinking Christianity through Ten Transforming Questions

  • 1.
  • 2. What’s missing today is a high-quality discourse on rethinking the design and evolution of the entire system from scratch. The quality of results produced by any system depends on the quality of awareness from which the people in the system operate. (Otto Scharmer)
  • 3.
  • 4. Text letting a new kind of Christian faith come
  • 5. a new kind of christianity: ten questions that are transforming the faith
  • 6. What are the questions? 1. The narrative question: What is the shape of the biblical narrative? Storyline, plotline? 2. The authority question: What is the Bible, and what is it for? How does it have authority? 3. The God question: Is God violent? Why does God seem so violent and genocidal in so many bible passages?
  • 7. 4. The Jesus Question: Who is Jesus, and why does he matter? 5. The Gospel Question: What is the gospel - a message of evacuation or transformation? Exclusion or inclusion?
  • 8. 6. The church question: What do we do about the church? 7. The sex question: Can we deal with issues of sexuality without fighting and dividing? 8. The future question: Can we find a more hopeful vision of the future?
  • 9. 9. The pluralism question: How should we relate to people of other faiths? 10. The next step question: How can we pursue this quest in humility, love, and peace?
  • 10. a new kind of christianity
  • 11. Question 1: What is the shape of the biblical narrative? (A pre-critical question)
  • 12.
  • 13. Eden Heaven Fall Salvation History/ The world Hell
  • 14. Platonic Ideal Platonic Ideal Fall Atonement, puriïŹcation Into Aristotelian Aristotelian Real Real Hades
  • 15. Pax Romana Pax Romana Civilization, Rebellion development, into colonialism barbarism Barbarian/ assimilation pagan world Destruction, defeat
  • 17. sdrawkcab gnidaer Rick Warren, Billy Graham, Charles Finney, John Wesley (or Calvin), Luther, Aquinas, Augustine, Paul, Jesus reading forwards Adam, Eve, Sarah, Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah, John the Baptist, Mary, Jesus
  • 18. Exodus: Liberation & Formation
  • 19. Exodus: Liberation & Formation Genesis: Creation and Reconciliation
  • 20. Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and Mercy Exodus: Liberation & Formation Genesis: Creation and Reconciliation
  • 21. G e Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and n Mercy e s i s Exodus: Liberation & Formation
  • 22. HUMAN DESTRUCTION G e Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and n Mercy e HUMAN VIOLENCE s i s HUMAN EXPLOITATION Exodus: Liberation & Formation
  • 23. HUMAN DESTRUCTION G e Isaiah: Peaceable Kingdom - Justice and n Mercy e HUMAN VIOLENCE s i s HUMAN EXPLOITATION Exodus: Liberation & Formation
  • 24. NOT the Lord’s Prayer: May we come to your kingdom when we die. May we all go to heaven where, unlike earth, your will is done.
  • 25. Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
  • 26. heaven self church world Self-enhancement in this life and the next
  • 27. heaven world church self
  • 28. God’s love, joy, peace, justice world church self
  • 29.
  • 30. Question 2 The authority question: How does the Bible have authority?
  • 31. Constitution? Library?
  • 32. LEGAL CONSTITUTION COMMUNITY LIBRARY Uniformity Diversity Preserve order Preserve diversity agreement argument enforcement of conformity encouragement to risk
  • 33. LEGAL CONSTITUTION COMMUNITY LIBRARY Rules to live by Stories to live by Submission Creativity Analyze, interpret, argue Enter, inhabit, practice amendments? new acquisitions
  • 34. Stories in conversation ... David, Goliath, and the Temple Two Arks Pharoah, Hagar, Solomon Joshua, Jesus, and the Canaanites
  • 35. NOT Inspired Constitution vs. Uninspired Library BUT Inspired Constitution vs. Inspired Library
  • 36.
  • 37. Question 3 God and violence
  • 38. Question 3 God and violence FLAT DESCENDING ASCENDING TENT
  • 39. Derek Flood graphically displays Paul’s edited quotation of Psalm 18:41-49 and Deuteronomy 32:43 in Romans 15:8-10. Notice what Paul picks to retain and what he chooses to reject: For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: “I destroyed my foes. They cried for help, but there was no one to save them—to the LORD, but he did not answer
. He is the God who avenges me, who puts the Gentiles under me
. Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name.” (Ps. 18:41–49).
  • 40. Again, it says, “Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people, for he will avenge the blood of his servants; he will take vengeance on his enemies and make atonement for his land and people.” (Deut. 32:43)
  • 41. Flood concludes: “Paul is making a very different point from the original intent of these Psalms. In fact, he is making the opposite point —we should not cry out for God’s wrath and judgment [on the other], because we are all sinners in need of mercy.” He concludes, “This is not a case of careless out-of-context proof- texting; it is an artful and deliberate reshaping of these verses 
 from their original cry for divine violence into a confession of universal culpability that highlights our need for mercy.”
  • 42. QUESTION 4: JESUS who is he and why is he so important? Atonement theory and “vampire Christians” Jesus: the Word of God
  • 43. QUESTION 4: JESUS who is he and why is he so important? IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD (LOGOS), AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD ... THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US. (JOHN 1)
  • 44. rene girard insights and contributions - nonviolent theme in the Bible - a narrative of evolution, emergence - deconstruction of atonement theory - uniqueness and universality of Christ - proper apocalypticism - a sense of what has gone wrong and why - a sense of what is real and good, and why
  • 45. If love and violence are incompatible, the deïŹnition of the Logos must take this into account. The difference between the Greek Logos and the Johannine Logos must be an obvious one, which gets concealed only in the tortuous complications of a type of thought that never succeeds in ridding itself of its own violence. (270)
  • 46. Behaving in a truly divine manner, on an earth still in the clutches of violence, means not dominating humans, not overwhelming them with supernatural power; it means not terrifying and astonishing them in turn, through the sufferings and blessings on can confer; it means not creating difference between doubles and not taking part in their disputes. ‘God is no respecter of persons.’ He makes no distinction between ‘Greeks and Jews, men and women, etc.’ This can look like complete indifference and can lead to the conclusion that the all-powerful does not exist, so long as his transcendence keeps him inïŹnitely far from us and our violent undertakings. But the same characteristics are revealed as a heroic and perfect love once this transcendence becomes incarnate in a human being and walks among men, to teach them about the true God and to draw them closer to Him. (234)
  • 47. There is no privileged stance from which absolute truth can be discovered... That is why the Word that states itself to be absolutely true never speaks except from the position of a victim in the process of being expelled.... [F]or two thousand years this Word has been misunderstood, despite the enormous amount of publicity it has received. (435)
  • 48. Jesus as the non-violent word of God. God with and for the poor. God who cares for creation.
  • 49. What are the questions? 1. The narrative question: What is the shape of the biblical narrative? Storyline, plotline? 2. The authority question: What is the Bible, and what is it for? How does it have authority? 3. The God question: Is God violent? Why does God seem so violent and genocidal in so many bible passages?
  • 50. 4. The Jesus Question: Who is Jesus, and why does he matter? 5. The Gospel Question: What is the gospel - a message of evacuation or transformation? Exclusion or inclusion? - Reign, kingdom, economy, ecosystem, dance, friendship, network of God.
  • 51. 6. The church question: What do we do about the church? - The church as school of Christ- likeness and love, training and deploying of love-peace-justice activists.
  • 52. 7. The sex question: Can we deal with issues of sexuality without fighting and dividing? - Deeper issue: sexuality to embodiment to humanity to creation
  • 53. 8. The future question: Can we find a more hopeful vision of the future? - Evacuation plan to incarnation plan, a Participatory Eschatology
  • 54. 9. The pluralism question: How should we relate to people of other faiths? - Seeking a strong and benevolent Christian identity
  • 55. 10. The next step question: How can we pursue this quest in humility, love, and peace? - Winning a hearing, not winning an argument.
  • 56. Ivan Illich (Austrian former priest, philosopher, social critic, 1926-2002)
  • 57. Neither revolution nor reformation can ultimately change a society, rather you must tell a new powerful tale, one so persuasive that it sweeps away the old myths and becomes the preferred story 

  • 58. 
 one so inclusive that it gathers all the bits of our past and our present into a coherent whole, one that even shines some light into the future so that we can take the next step
. If you want to change a society, then you have to tell an alternative story. - attributed to Ivan Illich (Austrian former priest, philosopher, social critic, 1926-2002)
  • 59. Something is on the way out and something else is painfully being born. It is as if something were crumbling, decaying, and exhausting itself, while something else, still indistinct, were arising from the rubble.... We are in a phase when one age is succeeding another, when everything is possible. Vaclav Havel, “The New Measure of Man”
  • 60. Fr. Vincent Donovan: Do not leave others where they are. Do not bring them to where you are, as beautiful as that place might be. Instead, go with them to a new place neither you nor they have ever been before.
  • 61. Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel (the good, joyful, healing story) to all creation. - Jesus
  • 62.
  • 63. The Lord’s Prayer 1. Our Father above us and all around us 
 2. May Your unspeakable Name be revered.
  • 64. 3. Now, here on earth may Your commonwealth come. 4. On earth as in heaven may Your will be done.
  • 65. 5. Give us today our bread for today. 4. Forgive us our wrongs as we forgive.
  • 66. 3. Lead us away from the perilous trial. 2. Liberate us from the evil.
  • 67. 1.For the kingdom is yours and yours alone. 2. The power is yours and yours alone. 3.The glory is yours and yours alone. 4.Now and forever, amen.
  • 68. 5. Now, here on earth may your commonwealth come. 4. Here on earth may your dreams come true. 3. Hallelujah 2. Hallelujah 1. Amen.
  • 69. Text something is trying to be born: envisioning a new kind of Christian faith

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