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Problems with the radioactive dating methods: By Dr. Jay L. Wile

IS RADIOACTIVE DATING
ACCURATE?
What do the scientific facts reveal?

 The fact that radioactive isotopes decay at a
  measurable rate allows scientists to use
  radioactive decay as a means of dating objects
  of unknown ages. This is known as radioactive
  dating. Although it can be accurate under
  certain circumstances, it is important to note
  that it has some serious weaknesses as well. It
  must be viewed critically, despite the fact that
  some scientists may try to convince you
  otherwise. We will look at the scientific facts to
  draw our own conclusions.
Carbon 14 Dating
 The best way to examine the
  strengths and weaknesses of
  radioactive dating is to examine
  one of the methods in detail. Since
  Carbon 14 dating is the best known,
  we will discuss that one. Carbon 14
  decays by beta decay with a half-
  life of 5,700 years. All living
  organism contain a certain amount
  of Carbon 14 making all living
  organisms somewhat radioactive.
Organisms continually exchange Carbon 14
   Living organisms continually
    exchange Carbon 14 with
    their surroundings. We exhale
    carbon dioxide some of which
    contains Carbon 14. We eat
    plants and animals that
    contain Carbon 14. Thus,
    organisms are continually
    exchanging Carbon 14 with
    their environment. As a result,
    at any time an organism is
    alive, it contains the same
    amount of Carbon 14 as does
    the atmosphere around it.
At Death Carbon 14 Begins Decreasing
  When an organism dies
   the Carbon 14 exchange
   ceases. The amount of
   Carbon 14 in the organism
   begins to decrease. Every
   5,700 years, half the
   Carbon 14 will decay away.
   Normally, organisms that
   have been dead a long
   time tend to have less
   Carbon 14 than those that
   just recently died.
How does it worK?

 If we know how much
  Carbon 14 was in the
  organism when it died, and
  if we can measue the
  amount it has now, the
  difference will be the
  amount of Carbon 14 that
  has decayed away. Since we
  know how quickly Carbon 14
  decays, we can then tell
  how long the organism has
  been dead.
Assumptions: If we knew how much?
 The problem lies in figuring out how much
  Carbon 14 was in the organism when it died. If
  there is no direct measurement of the amount
  of Carbon 14 when the organism died, then we
  must make an assumption of how much
  Carbon 14 would have been measured. In the
  case of Carbon 14, scientist assume that the
  amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere has
  not changed that much over time.
Prior to first Atomic Bomb
 Atom Bombs increase the
 amount of Carbon 14 in
 the atmosphere.
 Scientists assume that
 the amount of Carbon 14
 in the atmosphere before
 the first atomic bomb was
 essentially the same for
 hundreds or thousands of
 years before.
Calculations

 When the age of a dead organism is being
  measured with Carbon 14 dating, we assume
  that the amount of Carbon 14 it had when it
  died was the same as the amount that was in
  the atmosphere prior to the first atomic bomb
  explosion, which is something that was
  measured. That gives us a value for how much
  Carbon 14 was initially in the dead organism.
  We can measure how much Carbon 14 is still in
  the organism and calculate how long the
  orgaism has been dead.
Is the Assumption Accurate?
 The age we get from this process is completely
  dependent on the assumption we made about
  how much Carbon 14 was in the organism
  when it died. If that assumption is good, the
  age we calculate should be accurate. If that
  assumption is bad, the age we calculate will
  not be accurate. So the question becomes, “Is
  the assumption accurate?” In short, the answer
  is “No.”
Tree Ring Dating & Carbon 14
 Through a process involving tree rings, there is
  a way to measure the amount of Carbon 14 in
  the atmosphere in the past. Tree rings can be
  counted to determine how old the tree was.
  Each ring represents a year in the trees life..
Carbon Dating with Tree Rings
 Through a complicated process scientists can
  measure the amount of Carbon 14 in a tree
  ring and use it to determine how much
  Carbon 14 was in the atmosphere during the
  year in which the tree was grown.
3000 year old tree rings
 Scientists have studied the Carbon 14 content in
  tree rings as much as 3000 years old. From these
  measurements they have determined the amount
  of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere over the past 3000
  years. Sometimes it has varied as much as 70%
  over that time period. The variation has been
  correlated to certain events that occur on the
  surface of the sun. We know that the amount of
  Carbon 14 in the atmosphere has not stayed
  constant. It has varied greatly. We know the initial
  assumption of Carbon 14 dating is wrong.
  Therefore, we know we cannot trust most of the
  dates obtained.
Why Most?
 Since we can determine the amount of Carbon 14
  in the atmosphere during the past using tree rings,
  we can actually use that data to help us make our
  initial assumption which becomes much more
  accurate. We do not have Carbon 14
  measurements for tree rings much more than
  3000 years as most trees are younger than that.
  Thus, we can only make accurate assumption for
  organism that have died within the last 3000
  years. For organisms older than 3000 years we
  have no tree ring data to help us find an accurate
  initial measurement, therefore we cannot really
  believe their Carbon 14 dates.
Radioactive Dating Curve
3000 years or younger = accurate
 The Carbon 14 dating can be believed for
  organism that have been dead for 3000 years
  or less. This is a good tool for archaeology. If
  the archaeologists finds a manuscript or piece
  of cloth, he can use Carbon 14 dating to
  determine its age. As long as the results are
  about 3000 years or younger, the date can be
  believed. If the date turns out to be
  significantly older than 3000 years, there is no
  reason to believe it.
Important Initial Assumptions

 Radioactive dating involves a pretty important
  initial assumption. If the assumption is good
  the results are good, but if the assumption is
  bad, the results will be bad. There are a lot of
  other techniques of radiactive dating besides
  Carbon 14. They suffer the same problem. In
  every radioactive dating tecnique, we must
  make assumptions about how much of a
  certain substance was in the object originally.
  Such assumptions are quite hard to make
  accurately.
Have half-lives remained constant?
  Another assumption made is
   believing that the half-lives of
   radioactive isotopes have remained
   constant over time. Thus, no matter
   how old the object we are dating is,
   the half –lives of the radioactive
   isotopes in it have always been the
   same. Standard nuclear physics
   indicates this is a good assumption.
   However, experimental evidence
   suggests otherwise.
Studies in Flood Geology
 Based on these facts, it´s not
  surprising that radioactive dates are
  often found to be in conflict with
  each other or other dating
  techniques. In his book, Studies in
  Flood Geology, John Woodmorappe
  has compiled more than 350
  radioactive dates that conflict with
  one another or with other generally
  accepted dates. These erroneous
  dates demonstrate that the
  assumptions used in radioactive
  dating cannot be trusted.
Wrong Dates From Mt. St. Helen´s Lava
Belief Systems Cloud Inadequacies
 Many in the scientific community are unwilling to
  admit to the inadequacies of radioactive dating
  because they like the results- large dates. There
  are rocks that radioactive dating techniques
  indicate are more than 4 billion years old. Scientist
  who believe in the hypothesis of evolution want
  the earth to be that old. Their hypothesis requires
  an old earth and radioactive dating techniques
  provide dates that indicate a very old earth. As a
  result, they turn a blind eye to the inadequacies,
  because it gives them the answer that they want.
Different Mindsets- Different Conclusions




  Hopefully, as time goes on, this unfortunate situation will
  change and evolutionists will be more open to the
  discrepancies in the radioactive dating technique.
References

 Dr. Jay L. Wile, Exploring Creation with
  Physical Science, 2nd Edition, pages 334-336.
 Google Images: for educational purposes only
 Presentation by Dennis Molinski for
  educational purposes only.

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Is radioactive dating accurate

  • 1. Problems with the radioactive dating methods: By Dr. Jay L. Wile IS RADIOACTIVE DATING ACCURATE?
  • 2. What do the scientific facts reveal?  The fact that radioactive isotopes decay at a measurable rate allows scientists to use radioactive decay as a means of dating objects of unknown ages. This is known as radioactive dating. Although it can be accurate under certain circumstances, it is important to note that it has some serious weaknesses as well. It must be viewed critically, despite the fact that some scientists may try to convince you otherwise. We will look at the scientific facts to draw our own conclusions.
  • 3. Carbon 14 Dating  The best way to examine the strengths and weaknesses of radioactive dating is to examine one of the methods in detail. Since Carbon 14 dating is the best known, we will discuss that one. Carbon 14 decays by beta decay with a half- life of 5,700 years. All living organism contain a certain amount of Carbon 14 making all living organisms somewhat radioactive.
  • 4. Organisms continually exchange Carbon 14  Living organisms continually exchange Carbon 14 with their surroundings. We exhale carbon dioxide some of which contains Carbon 14. We eat plants and animals that contain Carbon 14. Thus, organisms are continually exchanging Carbon 14 with their environment. As a result, at any time an organism is alive, it contains the same amount of Carbon 14 as does the atmosphere around it.
  • 5. At Death Carbon 14 Begins Decreasing  When an organism dies the Carbon 14 exchange ceases. The amount of Carbon 14 in the organism begins to decrease. Every 5,700 years, half the Carbon 14 will decay away. Normally, organisms that have been dead a long time tend to have less Carbon 14 than those that just recently died.
  • 6. How does it worK?  If we know how much Carbon 14 was in the organism when it died, and if we can measue the amount it has now, the difference will be the amount of Carbon 14 that has decayed away. Since we know how quickly Carbon 14 decays, we can then tell how long the organism has been dead.
  • 7. Assumptions: If we knew how much?  The problem lies in figuring out how much Carbon 14 was in the organism when it died. If there is no direct measurement of the amount of Carbon 14 when the organism died, then we must make an assumption of how much Carbon 14 would have been measured. In the case of Carbon 14, scientist assume that the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere has not changed that much over time.
  • 8. Prior to first Atomic Bomb  Atom Bombs increase the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere. Scientists assume that the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere before the first atomic bomb was essentially the same for hundreds or thousands of years before.
  • 9. Calculations  When the age of a dead organism is being measured with Carbon 14 dating, we assume that the amount of Carbon 14 it had when it died was the same as the amount that was in the atmosphere prior to the first atomic bomb explosion, which is something that was measured. That gives us a value for how much Carbon 14 was initially in the dead organism. We can measure how much Carbon 14 is still in the organism and calculate how long the orgaism has been dead.
  • 10. Is the Assumption Accurate?  The age we get from this process is completely dependent on the assumption we made about how much Carbon 14 was in the organism when it died. If that assumption is good, the age we calculate should be accurate. If that assumption is bad, the age we calculate will not be accurate. So the question becomes, “Is the assumption accurate?” In short, the answer is “No.”
  • 11. Tree Ring Dating & Carbon 14  Through a process involving tree rings, there is a way to measure the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere in the past. Tree rings can be counted to determine how old the tree was. Each ring represents a year in the trees life..
  • 12. Carbon Dating with Tree Rings  Through a complicated process scientists can measure the amount of Carbon 14 in a tree ring and use it to determine how much Carbon 14 was in the atmosphere during the year in which the tree was grown.
  • 13. 3000 year old tree rings  Scientists have studied the Carbon 14 content in tree rings as much as 3000 years old. From these measurements they have determined the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere over the past 3000 years. Sometimes it has varied as much as 70% over that time period. The variation has been correlated to certain events that occur on the surface of the sun. We know that the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere has not stayed constant. It has varied greatly. We know the initial assumption of Carbon 14 dating is wrong. Therefore, we know we cannot trust most of the dates obtained.
  • 14. Why Most?  Since we can determine the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere during the past using tree rings, we can actually use that data to help us make our initial assumption which becomes much more accurate. We do not have Carbon 14 measurements for tree rings much more than 3000 years as most trees are younger than that. Thus, we can only make accurate assumption for organism that have died within the last 3000 years. For organisms older than 3000 years we have no tree ring data to help us find an accurate initial measurement, therefore we cannot really believe their Carbon 14 dates.
  • 16. 3000 years or younger = accurate  The Carbon 14 dating can be believed for organism that have been dead for 3000 years or less. This is a good tool for archaeology. If the archaeologists finds a manuscript or piece of cloth, he can use Carbon 14 dating to determine its age. As long as the results are about 3000 years or younger, the date can be believed. If the date turns out to be significantly older than 3000 years, there is no reason to believe it.
  • 17. Important Initial Assumptions  Radioactive dating involves a pretty important initial assumption. If the assumption is good the results are good, but if the assumption is bad, the results will be bad. There are a lot of other techniques of radiactive dating besides Carbon 14. They suffer the same problem. In every radioactive dating tecnique, we must make assumptions about how much of a certain substance was in the object originally. Such assumptions are quite hard to make accurately.
  • 18. Have half-lives remained constant?  Another assumption made is believing that the half-lives of radioactive isotopes have remained constant over time. Thus, no matter how old the object we are dating is, the half –lives of the radioactive isotopes in it have always been the same. Standard nuclear physics indicates this is a good assumption. However, experimental evidence suggests otherwise.
  • 19. Studies in Flood Geology  Based on these facts, it´s not surprising that radioactive dates are often found to be in conflict with each other or other dating techniques. In his book, Studies in Flood Geology, John Woodmorappe has compiled more than 350 radioactive dates that conflict with one another or with other generally accepted dates. These erroneous dates demonstrate that the assumptions used in radioactive dating cannot be trusted.
  • 20. Wrong Dates From Mt. St. Helen´s Lava
  • 21. Belief Systems Cloud Inadequacies  Many in the scientific community are unwilling to admit to the inadequacies of radioactive dating because they like the results- large dates. There are rocks that radioactive dating techniques indicate are more than 4 billion years old. Scientist who believe in the hypothesis of evolution want the earth to be that old. Their hypothesis requires an old earth and radioactive dating techniques provide dates that indicate a very old earth. As a result, they turn a blind eye to the inadequacies, because it gives them the answer that they want.
  • 22. Different Mindsets- Different Conclusions Hopefully, as time goes on, this unfortunate situation will change and evolutionists will be more open to the discrepancies in the radioactive dating technique.
  • 23. References  Dr. Jay L. Wile, Exploring Creation with Physical Science, 2nd Edition, pages 334-336.  Google Images: for educational purposes only  Presentation by Dennis Molinski for educational purposes only.